Transfer: Summer transfers rumors and bickering

[Live in the Now]

What makes it different now is that Liverpool have a great team, but beyond that, I don't know if you know how hard it is to deal with Liverpool. Let's present an example:

Barcelona will be forced to pay an additional €100million (£89 million) premium for any Liverpool player they wish to buy before 2020 under the terms of Philippe Coutinho's departure.

The ECHO understands Liverpool struck a deal with Barcelona that means the Catalan side have to pay an extra €100m on top of an agreed fee should they try to sign a player in Jurgen Klopp's squad.

True Coutinho clause revealed with Liverpool demanding Barca premium

Barcelona made an assumption that Liverpool would not have anything they want to buy and adjusted their business accordingly. Do you think RM would do that when 2019 Firmino, Fabinho, VVD, and Salah are at Liverpool? I don't think so. The difference at an individual player level is that players from different countries and backgrounds have different goals.

Let's also present the blunt facts. Liverpool is currently a better team than Real Madrid and can also pay ridiculous wages. If he went that's okay, but the situation has changed a lot.

 

[phisherman]

Let's also present the blunt facts. Liverpool is currently a better team than Real Madrid and can also pay ridiculous wages. If he went that's okay, but the situation has changed a lot.

That doesn't matter because Real Madrid will always be a bigger team and a better place to live.

And that Barcelona clause is really not a big deal. As if Liverpool is the only team with good players to buy from.

Plus didn't Suarez leave just when Liverpool was supposedly on the up and up and missing the title from that legendary slip?

I'm not saying Mane will leave but don't trick yourself into thinking he's loyal, that Real isn't a better option and that Real isn't capable of throwing stupid money.

 

[Live in the Now]

That doesn't matter because Real Madrid will always be a bigger team and a better place to live.

And that Barcelona clause is really not a big deal. As if Liverpool is the only team with good players to buy from.

Plus didn't Suarez leave just when Liverpool was supposedly on the up and up and missing the title from that legendary slip?

I'm not saying Mane will leave but don't trick yourself into thinking he's loyal, that Real isn't a better option and that Real isn't capable of throwing stupid money.

Liverpool didn't kick up a fuss because Suarez was banned for three months for biting. Of course they let him leave lol.

If you see in my posts, I already said that while there are differences, he has done this before so it wouldn't be surprising. But if he really wanted to leave it would have been a lot easier not to sign a contract, it was getting to a point where he could have left for much cheaper.

 

[S E P H]

Liverpool didn't kick up a fuss because Suarez was banned for three months for biting. Of course they let him leave lol.

That's because they were a second rate club fighting for 9th place with Everton at the time...

 

[Live in the Now]

That's because they were a second rate club fighting for 9th place with Everton at the time...

They were in second place. Maybe you are getting them confused with Arsenal?

 

[Milos Krasic]

better place to live

Not to Gareth Bale

 

[les Habs]

What makes it different now is that Liverpool have a great team, but beyond that, I don't know if you know how hard it is to deal with Liverpool. Let's present an example:



True Coutinho clause revealed with Liverpool demanding Barca premium

Barcelona made an assumption that Liverpool would not have anything they want to buy and adjusted their business accordingly. Do you think RM would do that when 2019 Firmino, Fabinho, VVD, and Salah are at Liverpool? I don't think so. The difference at an individual player level is that players from different countries and backgrounds have different goals.

Let's also present the blunt facts. Liverpool is currently a better team than Real Madrid and can also pay ridiculous wages. If he went that's okay, but the situation has changed a lot.

I love that clause.

 

[S E P H]

They were in second place. Maybe you are getting them confused with Arsenal?

The one fluke season where Gerrard slips? Suarez was the reason why they were that high to begin with.

 

[Live in the Now]

The one fluke season where Gerrard slips? Suarez was the reason why they were that high to begin with.

Arsenal has not been remotely close since then, or as close as Liverpool are now since then. You should really spare yourself the embarrassment and give it a rest.

 

[S E P H]

Arsenal has not been remotely close since then, or as close as Liverpool are now since then. You should really spare yourself the embarrassment and give it a rest.

Granted 4th place is far from a trophy, Arsenal were as consistent of a team not named Bayern, Barca, RM, and City. And that was with a past-his-prime Wenger at the helm as well. If you want to talk about embarrassment, the last trophy you lot won was 2006 based on Google search. Hell, you calling us terrible yet we've won more trophies since that year and once again with a past-his-prime Wenger leading the way...

 

[Live in the Now]

Liverpool won a trophy in 2011...which was much too long ago. I never said any of that stuff but what you're talking about doesn't make sense.

Liverpool were second when Suarez left, they weren't trash. He left because playing there was something he wanted to do when he was growing up.

 

[Elliman]

I see someone purchasing one of Spurs top players. I don’t see them making a big splash.

I see Chelsea having a troublesome offseason and 20/21 season.

Liverpool need 2 big signings to battle City and United 3-5 big signings... will United back Ole with a massive war chest of gold? Dunno. Will Klopp actually spend on already proven big talent? Will City ever run out of money? Will Arsenal finally begin to become one of the sexier options in English football again? Will Chelsea survive the nonsense behind the scenes with Roman? Will Spurs manage to hold onto all its top talent another year? Will they actually spend any money?

Will the top 6 break away? Who knows.

 

[Evilo]

Barcelona made an assumption that Liverpool would not have anything they want to buy and adjusted their business accordingly. Do you think RM would do that when 2019 Firmino, Fabinho, VVD, and Salah are at Liverpool? I don't think so. The difference at an individual player level is that players from different countries and backgrounds have different goals.

Let's also present the blunt facts. Liverpool is currently a better team than Real Madrid and can also pay ridiculous wages. If he went that's okay, but the situation has changed a lot.

I think you're being a tad optimistic here.
Every player, including african ones, target Barca or Real as the ultimate goal. Whether Liverpool is more competitive than the reigning 3 time CL champion over the last 8 months doesn't change that. And with ZZ returning, every african player will dream of joining Real.
Now maybe Pool won't sell. But the players likely will want to go (doesn't mean they'll force their way out).

 

[Live in the Now]

I think you're being a tad optimistic here.
Every player, including african ones, target Barca or Real as the ultimate goal. Whether Liverpool is more competitive than the reigning 3 time CL champion over the last 8 months doesn't change that. And with ZZ returning, every african player will dream of joining Real.
Now maybe Pool won't sell. But the players likely will want to go (doesn't mean they'll force their way out).

Not really. 50-50 chance if they made a massive bid, meaning the price I said Liverpool would want.

But that also depends on Liverpool's owners. Liverpool would also never sell for less and we know that from the past. Mane is in a great run of form but people are forgetting how bad he gets when he's not in form. Honestly, if I had 100 million, there are quite a few other players I would target. When Liverpool asks for even more than that, and they would, I wouldn't even bother. That's a mess that if I was a buying club I wouldn't want to get into. People at Liverpool also think Ramos injured Salah on purpose, so yeah, they would try to f*** them. Hard.

I think Liverpool of now or Bayern of a few years ago is Mane's level. Seen all games he's played for Liverpool, and I do think he's world class, but I just don't see why a team spending that much money on a player would pick him. He has a series of games every year where he looks like a pub player, and I think everyone watched the Napoli one this season where he had about 4-5 great chances and missed all of them. That was the 8th straight game he didn't score in. This goes to my point about him being replaceable. 8 straight games is something not a lot of teams would tolerate, and Liverpool are at the top anyway. RM would not be able to keep pace with Barcelona if he did that there.

As far as attackers go, I think Hazard and Dybala will be wearing white next season. The only players a Liverpool fan should never think are leaving are Alisson and van Dijk. Both because of the fees they cost, their age, and in Alisson's case that other clubs with money also have their top keeper. Anyone else could obviously leave for the right amount and if the circumstances made it happen, like it or not. Curt probably disagrees but the fact is that one player becomes much more replaceable when the rest of the team is so good. So if they offered 140-150m, which is what they'd have to do to get him, I'd say bye.

 

[Evilo]

No, optimistic in your arguments. I don't think he moves to Real. But the reasons you gave seems very very optimistic.

Players will want to move from Liverpool to Real pretty much every time they have the chance. Doesn't mean they will, but they will want to at least.

 

[Chimaera]

I will agree that moving to Real will still be a target if agents, players families and so forth get involved. Maybe more important with some, while Liverpool has upped their wages, they're still not close to what Real will pay. I also hate to say it, because while I like Liverpool and think it's vastly underrated as a city, it's closer to Pittsburgh than it is to Barcelona or Madrid. No top level footballer would want to go live in Pittsburgh if they had the choice.

That said, I think Liverpool hold firm and demand top dollar. They're not in a position where they need money. They've just beaten a glory team, and with a run to the Semis or, even finals of the CL (again, though a bit of a gamble), plus a potential 2nd place finish or better in the league, and I think you can sell the project and giving it one more go to pretty much anyone on the roster right now. Klopp still around (and I think that's going to be some of the question down the road is if Bayern will come and make him a godfather level offer), and most players will consider it. Some might kick up a fuss, but I think they're in a stronger position by far than they were in the Coutinho and Suarez situation. They've shown they're going to be in the CL and competing for things for the next season or two, (probably longer) and can compete with pretty much anyone on the continent. They're also much better positioned to go out and get replacements. They're basically able to be in the conversation for most of the quality talent out there, where in the past, most wouldn't pickup the phone.

However, if Real wanted to pay stupid money for basically anyone, I would sell them. Liverpool are good enough to where if they had to sell on a player like Mane, they could go out, reinvest the money, and continue to keep on trucking. I trust Edwards and Klopp enough to where they would make more of 120-130 million than they would of one player. It might cause a bit of a blip, or a re configuring of how they play this coming season, but I think they'd be alright.

I think some are selling Mane short. While he might not be worth 150 million (really two or three players who might move are worth that), the lack of options in the market, the stance of the selling club and the strong contract he signed would cause there to be an offer close to that value.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

$150 mil paid in installments over several years is not the same as $150 mil paid at once.

Real could easily do the installments part and Liverpool would look good saying they sold for $150 mil.

And what makes Mane so different from Suarez and Coutinho? It'd be so naive to think this time it would be different.

I thought we were talking GBP and not USD.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I think people forget the tantrum that Coutinho threw to get his "dream" move to Barcelona.

Barcelona initial offer was €72M and they upped apparently close to €100M at the deadline. Liverpool rejected it all and sent an example. They settled at €146M

I think Klopp admitted that it was all the owner decision and not his own.

I think with Madrid you could see the same situation arise. You want our player... we do not need to sell. Mane throw it all transfer request, refuse to play, etc. until they show an example and get Madrid to overpay for him or move to another target.

 

[YNWA14]

As far as attackers go, I think Hazard and Dybala will be wearing white next season. The only players a Liverpool fan should never think are leaving are Alisson and van Dijk. Both because of the fees they cost, their age, and in Alisson's case that other clubs with money also have their top keeper. Anyone else could obviously leave for the right amount and if the circumstances made it happen, like it or not. Curt probably disagrees but the fact is that one player becomes much more replaceable when the rest of the team is so good. So if they offered 140-150m, which is what they'd have to do to get him, I'd say bye.

I don't disagree really. Personally I'm more attached to some players than others, but I've always said that if a player doesn't want to play for Liverpool then they can go. I just think in the short term it's going to take time to replace those players and it sets back a team like Liverpool. If there's a ready made replacement already on the team or worked into the system it's another story, but a team like Liverpool looking to compete for the CL and PL needs to be keeping its best players in these situations or they'll definitely see a downturn and adjustment period. Especially in Liverpool's case where they rely so heavily on their front 3 and van Dijk.

I would be much more open to doing something like a Suarez where they say 'hey, give us one more season of top level play and we'll let you go wherever', and in that time have someone bought this summer who is ready to step into that role when he does leave, if he wants to. They already need a better rotational option for Mane/Salah as is.

 

[phisherman]

I thought we were talking GBP and not USD.

You're right. Too used to using $ when it comes to money talk.

I don't disagree really. Personally I'm more attached to some players than others, but I've always said that if a player doesn't want to play for Liverpool then they can go. I just think in the short term it's going to take time to replace those players and it sets back a team like Liverpool. If there's a ready made replacement already on the team or worked into the system it's another story, but a team like Liverpool looking to compete for the CL and PL needs to be keeping its best players in these situations or they'll definitely see a downturn and adjustment period. Especially in Liverpool's case where they rely so heavily on their front 3 and van Dijk.

Also for the most part it takes time for players to adapt to Klopp's system which would set the team back.

 

[bluesfan94]

Arsenal has not been remotely close since then, or as close as Liverpool are now since then. You should really spare yourself the embarrassment and give it a rest.

I mean, we’ve finished second more recently than you but don’t let facts stop you.

 

[phisherman]

So this is how Real are going to fund their spending.

Raphaël Varane is considering his future at Real Madrid | Get French Football News

 

[Gecklund]

So this is how Real are going to fund their spending.

Raphaël Varane is considering his future at Real Madrid | Get French Football News

If Varane leaves, I can’t see him going anywhere but United. Well I could see him going other places but I feel like it’s a match made in heaven. French connection in Pogba and Martial. Gaping hole for a CB. Has the money to pay him and pay for him and is willing to spend it. Will be able to stay in the limelight.

We will even send RM Jones, Rojo, AND Valencia to help cover for Varane. I’d even throw in Young while I’m there.

 

[Evilo]

Lots of teams will line up including City.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Lots of teams will line up including City.

they are about to get ban.