Transfer: Summer Transfer Rumors and Discussion Part VII

[The Abusement Park]

Personally I'm looking forward to the eventual meltdown. UTD are popcorn material these days.

At least someone’s getting some entertainment value from United.

From a sporting perspective they’re currently a top 2/3 worst run club in all of sports.

 

[Gecklund]

At least someone’s getting some entertainment value from United.

From a sporting perspective they’re currently a top 2/3 worst run club in all of sports.

I’m not so sure about that. Flyers, Sharks, and Coyotes are all up there.

 

[Eye of Ra]

 

[The Abusement Park]

I’m not so sure about that. Flyers, Sharks, and Coyotes are all up there.

Coyotes for sure. But relative to expectations and financial output etc there are few teams doing as poor as United. Sharks are nowhere near that. They just ended a like 15 year run of being one of the best teams in the NHL.

 

[Gecklund]

Coyotes for sure. But relative to expectations and financial output etc there are few teams doing as poor as United. Sharks are nowhere near that. They just ended a like 15 year run of being one of the best teams in the NHL.

I mean financial output yes but expectations maybe not. Anyone that has actual expectations for this team doesn’t know what they’re watching

 

[Moncherry]

Hell even Weigl might finally be getting his shit together. Flick considered him for a call up and BMG are kicking the tires on bringing him back to germany.

Weigl sucks.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I mean financial output yes but expectations maybe not. Anyone that has actual expectations for this team doesn’t know what they’re watching

I mean to a casual fan it’s 100% below expectations. And for more serious fan yeah the expectations are lower and that’s because of how poorly run it was. I mean almost a decade being in contention for the title was a legit formality. In 10 years we’ve gone from that to maybe being a top 6 team. You don’t do that while being a well run team. It’s genuinely impressive how fast this org has tanked its sporting ability.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

This will be weird to some on here but news not from the fail.

 

[luiginb]

Weigl sucks.

You just haven't watched him recently. He's made a leap.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Well. That’s a bit better than Arnautovic and Rabiot at least.

 

[luiginb]

Miles better but again, he doesn't play DM. He'd come at a position where you already have Bruno and Eriksen.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Miles better but again, he doesn't play DM. He'd come at a position where you already have Bruno and Eriksen.

I mean he plays deeper than Bruno. But theoretically you’d have Rabiot as the deep playmaker and SMS as more of the B2B guy.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

If all your "defensive" midfielders suck, just play all offensive ones, what could go wrong, really?

I'm half-joking at this point...

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Heard y’all were in on Rodriquez but not sure from the source

 

[The Abusement Park]

If all your "defensive" midfielders suck, just play all offensive ones, what could go wrong, really?

I'm half-joking at this point...

I mean like I said earlier in the thread, United had needed a DM since like 09. It’s foolish to think they’ll actually fill the hole now.

Heard y’all were in on Rodriquez but not sure from the source

Which Rodriguez?

 

[luiginb]

The one from Betis I guess which stealthily would be a great signing.

 

[Savant]

Which Rodriguez?

The Argentine one

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Ya him

 

[The Abusement Park]

Interesting. Don’t know much about him.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Interesting. Don’t know much about him.

He's very good

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I wouldnt say very good. He's good for a team like Betis but would he help United? Im not so certain. He cant really pass much. Good defensively but I wouldnt start him expecting to go anywhere.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I wouldnt say very good. He's good for a team like Betis but would he help United? Im not so certain. He cant really pass much. Good defensively but I wouldnt start him expecting to go anywhere.

I mean we’ve needed a defensively competent midfielder for some time. Eriksen has looked solid from deeper and Rabiot is a decent passer of the ball, so we should’ve have at least 2 options to help mitigate that weakness of his.

And he’s certainly not an answer long term, but even over a couple seasons having any sort of defensive presence in midfield would be massive.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Signing #7.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

I wouldnt say very good. He's good for a team like Betis but would he help United? Im not so certain. He cant really pass much. Good defensively but I wouldnt start him expecting to go anywhere.

Well neither can Fred or McTominay, so if he can at least excel in one aspect of something I suppose that'd be a start.

 

[les Habs]

Would be a big loss for Valencia.

Good low-risk move by Sevilla.

That really depends on his wages.

I would have to see something that actually explains why the current board thinks that Frenkie's renewal and those of others were "criminal". I'm skeptical it was anything more than extremely stupid management, but I wouldn't write it off considering the previous board. The "news" that was posted in this thread last week failed to mention a thing or two that was reported about the previous board's conduct that might have someone smart enough not putting it past something like what you're posting having actually happened. I mean after all, this is a board that paid to have false things written about their captain and best player ever while he was still at the club.

Barcelona tried to buy back future TV rights income from THEMSELVES

PETE JENSON IN SPAIN: Barcelona were so desperate to satisfy LaLiga's financial rules that they bought their own TV rights future revenue from themselves, and tried to declare it as new income.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Barcelona were so desperate to satisfy LaLiga's financial fair play rules this summer that they bought their own TV rights future revenue from themselves, and tried to declare the deal as new income.

Spanish radio station Cope revealed the perfectly legal manoeuvre and confirmed that LaLiga did not accept the artificially-inflated declared income, leaving the club still trying to find ways to register all their new signings.

So it was "an accounting trick" that the league denied and that would have had to have been reconciled at some point down the road thus giving the club a temporary advantage from said "accounting trick". And?

"I dont like the news, so I will attack the story"

Barcelona alleged to have inflated TV rights sale by 150m euros

Following a turbulent time both on and off the pitch last year, Barcelona were faced with a mountain of debt and drastic action was required. Out of necessity, the club sold part

www.marca.com

Barcelona sell further 15 per cent of Liga TV rights to US fund

BARCELONA: Barcelona on Friday announced they had sold a further 15 percent of their La Liga television rights to US investment group Sixth Street for the next

www.newindianexpress.com

Barcelona sell further 15% of TV rights to firm

Barcelona have sold a further 15% of their domestic television rights to the global investment firm Sixth Street.

www.espn.com

How many other sources will you need to show how they are trying to cheat?

Well if you're posting something that's coming from Cope any Cule with an ounce of sense is going to question it. If you don't understand that yourself then you should probably do your homework. That said, I don't necessarily doubt the story.

As for what you posted with regards to other stories, they don't do what you're suggesting. Well you're not suggesting, you're accusing, and quite frankly you have done nothing to demonstrate your accusation is valid. In fact, two of the three articles you linked here actually suggest otherwise. The Marca one, which is just rehashing what you already posted, is one thing. I'd take Marca over Cope, but again a loaded source when we're talking about Barça and this is simply relaying the story from Cope. Again though, so what? This is "old news" and the league denied the figure after presumably being presented with all the documentation which of course means the club was up front about everything.

As for the second two sources, again, those suggest that the club is NOT trying to cheat. It's actually the other way around and if you don't understand that which would be a reasonable assumption considering the post I'm quoting here you should probably stick to things you actually do understand. The fact the club is taking the steps they are with regards to the economic levers means they're doing what they can within the rules and law to keep the club financially solvent. Activating these levers means they're sacrificing some future revenue to help tackle their current debt, a move that could backfire down the road and that they don't want to do. Have a look at your own sources and see the money that Sixth Street will likely walk away from the deal.

So in the end your posts have little by way of news, have misused sources that actually disprove what you're accusing the club and demonstrate that you're wrong. Nicely done. For future, and this goes for anyone else here considering the posts, I would suggest actually coming to the table with a reasonable argument. Also though, I would love it for anyone to come to the table with an alternative solution the club could/should have sought.

It’s apparently not cheating. I think there is a question on if this is ethical, but the fans of the offending team rarely care about that. Team wants to get better, so they get players. The Cules won’t care how many levers get pulled. I don’t like when it comes to teams taking away squad numbers, trying to renege on contracts and putting pressure on players to forgive where they messed up but it’s apparently not “illegal”.

--Nothing "apparent" about it. It's not cheating.
--This fan cares as do a whole helluva a lot of others in my experience and they do care about the levers as this forum is evidence.
--They "took away" one squad number, assuming they took it away. Nothing wrong with trying to negotiate a new contract with a player. Not sure what pressure is, but do tell.

This will be weird to some on here but news not from the fail.

One of the good things about this is that guys like Alonso have to wait and maybe we'll miss out on signing him.