Sudbury Wolves 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 5)

[Wolf on a Wire]

Can't complain with this; wolves already had 2 other 3rds this year. Getting their own

Someone let Paps know

Someone let Paps know

I think someone told Paps!

 

[hockeynorth]

Yeah those moves are good for long term outlook, more ammo is better with the number of returning bodies, next season is already looking like:

Musty - Delic - Goyette
(Dvorsky/Import/x) - McCallum - Konyen
Walton - Villeneuve - Pharand
Yearwood - (2nd rounder/Prospect/x) - Coughlan
(Prospect/x)

Anania - Collins
(Import/x)- Mania
Toure - Chromiak
(Protz/Bruce/Walton/2nd rounder/x)

Krawchuk --> i think he'll be very good for Sudbury next year, totally comfortable with him as 1G
(Ivankovic/Gaulton/x)

x = potential trade

Very strong lineup. Gs look really solid if you trust Krawchuk like I do, top 6 is only really lacking 1 more impact player, should be fillable through import draft or Dvorsky. L3 is huge and nasty to play against, I think they'll make a major impact, and L4 is guys who looked great after coming over, who will be vets, may make a big impact and shift L3 down. Right side of the blueline is really good, with what should be 2 NHL drafted D, and a top prospect for the NHL draft. Wolves most glaring hole at the moment is one more top 4 dman, preferably who is very sound on the defensive side of the puck, and a left shot. I think they fill that through the import draft if they don't get an F there, but if they don't, they should be able to fill it through a trade. Also potential for a young guy to step up. I feel great about this framework for a lineup with the trade ammo they have.

May get more picks trying to trade Larmand/Boudreau. Could also deal Toure and keep Larmand, but i think Toure is probably more valuable, though the Wolves already have an excess of RD.

 

[cub]

 

[I Loveallsports]

Yeah those moves are good for long term outlook, more ammo is better with the number of returning bodies, next season is already looking like:

Musty - Delic - Goyette
(Dvorsky/Import/x) - McCallum - Konyen
Walton - Villeneuve - Pharand
Yearwood - (2nd rounder/Prospect/x) - Coughlan
(Prospect/x)

Anania - Collins
(Import/x)- Mania
Toure - Chromiak
(Protz/Bruce/Walton/2nd rounder/x)

Krawchuk --> i think he'll be very good for Sudbury next year, totally comfortable with him as 1G
(Ivankovic/Gaulton/x)

x = potential trade

Very strong lineup. Gs look really solid if you trust Krawchuk like I do, top 6 is only really lacking 1 more impact player, should be fillable through import draft or Dvorsky. L3 is huge and nasty to play against, I think they'll make a major impact, and L4 is guys who looked great after coming over, who will be vets, may make a big impact and shift L3 down. Right side of the blueline is really good, with what should be 2 NHL drafted D, and a top prospect for the NHL draft. Wolves most glaring hole at the moment is one more top 4 dman, preferably who is very sound on the defensive side of the puck, and a left shot. I think they fill that through the import draft if they don't get an F there, but if they don't, they should be able to fill it through a trade. Also potential for a young guy to step up. I feel great about this framework for a lineup with the trade ammo they have.

May get more picks trying to trade Larmand/Boudreau. Could also deal Toure and keep Larmand, but i think Toure is probably more valuable, though the Wolves already have an excess of RD.

To me if wolves are taking a serious run, you need to upgrade McCallum and Konyen, at least. That lineup you put forth(good work) won't cut it, if we look at other teams upgrades this past season.You got to empty the cupboard. Imo

 

[hockeynorth]

To me if wolves are taking a serious run, you need to upgrade McCallum and Konyen, at least. That lineup you put forth(good work) won't cut it.

I definitely think pushing them each down one line is optimal, but its not a bad place to start to the year. Probably should have clarified that. With that said, the 67s only had 3 guys play the majority of the season and post > pt/gp this year. Musty/Goyette are locks for that, as should be the import. McCallum would've been 3rd on the 67s in scoring, I'm very comfortable with that in our T6 as I think he should post > 1 pt/gp next year. Konyen would've been 7th with 45 in 68, and next year I'd guess he's closer to 60 in 68, which would be top 6 in production on every team, so I don't think he's a bad piece to have either. I think we kind of take the offense game of those two for granted because of Musty/Goyette, and the likes of Sokolov/Byfield we've seen in the past. They're adequate contributors for a contender as D+2 and OA players. Ideally, at least one, if not both, are playing L3 by the end of the trade deadline.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

When buying at the deadline we have seen two options: Rentals vs 2 yr players. If we are to empty the draft cupboard then the 2 year player would be ideal/preferred. Knowing we have a strong base for next two years….most likely Paps will make some combination of both trades. Time will tell. Again, where Devorsky plays next season has a massive impact on our future moves..

 

[I Loveallsports]

I definitely think pushing them each down one line is optimal, but its not a bad place to start to the year. Probably should have clarified that. With that said, the 67s only had 3 guys play the majority of the season and post > pt/gp this year. Musty/Goyette are locks for that, as should be the import. McCallum would've been 3rd on the 67s in scoring, I'm very comfortable with that in our T6 as I think he should post > 1 pt/gp next year. Konyen would've been 7th with 45 in 68, and next year I'd guess he's closer to 60 in 68, which would be top 6 in production on every team, so I don't think he's a bad piece to have either. I think we kind of take the offense game of those two for granted because of Musty/Goyette, and the likes of Sokolov/Byfield we've seen in the past. They're adequate contributors for a contender as D+2 and OA players. Ideally, at least one, if not both, are playing L3 by the end of the trade deadline.

I hear you. I would add two top scoring vets and mix them in the 1st and second line and who can run a PP The D needs a good puck control guy for the PP as well. Im not trusting certain players growth to put them into winning or near top of the east.

Load up all you can.

 

[howlman]

Again, where Devorsky plays next season has a massive impact on our future moves..

You plan as if Dvorsky won't be here. They need to capitalize on the upcoming Import draft and find a solid player that will report. You plan to run with Chromiak and your new Import from the upcoming draft as your two Import players to start the season. Anything with Dvorsky showing up is all bonus at this point.

 

[howlman]

I hear you. I would add two top scoring vets and mix them in the 1st and second line and who can run a PP The D needs a good puck control guy for the PP as well. Im not trusting certain players growth to put them into winning or near top of the east.

Load up all you can.

A legit PP Quarterback must be high on the list for Paps. Hard to find without drafting and developing one. Maybe through the Import draft they find one, or go the trade route (Nelson)

 

[I Loveallsports]

A legit PP Quarterback must be high on the list for Paps. Hard to find without drafting and developing one. Maybe through the Import draft they find one, or go the trade route (Nelson)

Def a need. He has some serious shopping to fulfill.

 

[howlman]

Roster - starting 12 forwards, 6 defense, 2 goalies (Contender)

F:
1. Goyette
2. Musty
3. Delic
4. OA Trade
5. OA upgrade (or McCallum - DMac loves him)
6. Trade (upgrade on Konyen)
7. Trade or Import
8. Villeneuve
9. Pharand
10. Walton
11. Yearwood
12. Coughlan

D:
1. OA (Anania or Toure, keep one, trade the other)
2. Collins
3. Trade
4. Trade or Import
5. Mania
6. Chromiak

G:
1. Trade or Import
2. Krawchuk


Can Papi pull it off?

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

A legit PP Quarterback must be high on the list for Paps. Hard to find without drafting and developing one. Maybe through the Import draft they find one, or go the trade route (Nelson)

No Nelson please!

 

[howlman]

No Nelson please!

Why not? One of the best Dmen in the league next season hands down

 

[djscooter]

When buying at the deadline we have seen two options: Rentals vs 2 yr players. If we are to empty the draft cupboard then the 2 year player would be ideal/preferred. Knowing we have a strong base for next two years….most likely Paps will make some combination of both trades. Time will tell. Again, where Devorsky plays next season has a massive impact on our future moves..

Two year players also cost ridiculous amounts. Look at how much we got for a pretty mediocre Chase Stillman? Owen Beck who is very good, but I'd argue not a gamechanger went for Van Volsen + 2 2nds + 3rd + more.

A legit PP Quarterback must be high on the list for Paps. Hard to find without drafting and developing one. Maybe through the Import draft they find one, or go the trade route (Nelson)

I think Mania and Chromiak will both show themselves to be real QB options next year.

 

[yalbmert25]

Getting another 2nd is a huge trade chip for us. What good are those 3rd 23 picks for us next season? The player you draft with those 3rd 23 picks you wouldn't be able to trade next season anyways.

Completly agree!

 

[djscooter]

Once they figure out the OA and import situations, I think they should be pretty ok to head into the season like that and see what they have.

If you look at the 6 youngest players who had "full time" roles last year you have -
Kieron Walton, Nathan Villeneuve, Jakub Chromiak, Quentin Musty, Nate Krawchuk, Matthew Mania.

All players who are of an age where they should still take big leaps forward, really excited to see what they each bring next year.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

Two year players also cost ridiculous amounts. Look at how much we got for a pretty mediocre Chase Stillman? Owen Beck who is very good, but I'd argue not a gamechanger went for Van Volsen + 2 2nds + 3rd + more.



I think Mania and Chromiak will both show themselves to be real QB options next year.

Watch what the Zpetes get back for

Why not? One of the best Dmen in the league next season hands down

one of the best offensive D Man in the O, we need a Punnet stay at home/clear the crease style D. IMO

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

Watch what the Zpetes get back for

one of the best offensive D Man in the O, we need a Punnet stay at home/clear the crease style D. IMO

The Pete’s will recoup a ton for Beck this upcoming deadline so that is why you do two year players. Pay a lot to get Beck, go on a run and something decent back when you sell….

 

[dirty12]

Watch what the Zpetes get back for

one of the best offensive D Man in the O, we need a Punnet stay at home/clear the crease style D. IMO

Punnet or Mayer would give the wolves a legit top pairing LD that is big, and physical and can play very well all situations.

 

[yalbmert25]

Yeah those moves are good for long term outlook, more ammo is better with the number of returning bodies, next season is already looking like:

Musty - Delic - Goyette
(Dvorsky/Import/x) - McCallum - Konyen
Walton - Villeneuve - Pharand
Yearwood - (2nd rounder/Prospect/x) - Coughlan
(Prospect/x)

Anania - Collins
(Import/x)- Mania
Toure - Chromiak
(Protz/Bruce/Walton/2nd rounder/x)

Krawchuk --> i think he'll be very good for Sudbury next year, totally comfortable with him as 1G
(Ivankovic/Gaulton/x)

x = potential trade

Very strong lineup. Gs look really solid if you trust Krawchuk like I do, top 6 is only really lacking 1 more impact player, should be fillable through import draft or Dvorsky. L3 is huge and nasty to play against, I think they'll make a major impact, and L4 is guys who looked great after coming over, who will be vets, may make a big impact and shift L3 down. Right side of the blueline is really good, with what should be 2 NHL drafted D, and a top prospect for the NHL draft. Wolves most glaring hole at the moment is one more top 4 dman, preferably who is very sound on the defensive side of the puck, and a left shot. I think they fill that through the import draft if they don't get an F there, but if they don't, they should be able to fill it through a trade. Also potential for a young guy to step up. I feel great about this framework for a lineup with the trade ammo they have.

May get more picks trying to trade Larmand/Boudreau. Could also deal Toure and keep Larmand, but i think Toure is probably more valuable, though the Wolves already have an excess of RD.

If you're comfortable with Krawchuck as number 1 why would you draft Ivankovic?

05, 3 years of eligibility left and you drafted Gaulton in 2nd round last year with 4, and should be more then capable in backing him up this year.

This would be bad asset management in my opinion if you pick two goalies in top 2 rounds in two consecutive drafts yet still have your #1 starter in place on top of that. Gaulton needs a hard look or you would have to trade him for pennies on the dollar and focus your development efforts on Ivankovic whom you just drafted. He isn't reporting to play in Espo.

Now if you aren't sold on Chucky then maybe, but if you're that confident in him you can't pick G 9th overall.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

If you're comfortable with Krawchuck as number 1 why would you draft Ivankovic?

05, 3 years of eligibility left and you drafted Gaulton in 2nd round last year with 4, and should be more then capable in backing him up this year.

This would be bad asset management in my opinion if you pick two goalies in top 2 rounds in two consecutive drafts yet still have your #1 starter in place on top of that. Gaulton needs a hard look or you would have to trade him for pennies on the dollar and focus your development efforts on Ivankovic whom you just drafted. He isn't reporting to play in Espo.

Now if you aren't sold on Chucky then maybe, but if you're that confident in him you can't pick G 9th overall.

I agree with this as well. I don't think we take a goalie with the first pick. We need a guy that will have value to be dealt at the deadline.

I believe we continue to sell off some overages to get picks. As it stands the Wolves have 9 extra picks from the 2nd round to the 6th without totally emptying the draft cupboard from 2024-2026.

Wolves will keep Anania and McCallum as OA's and look for a solid forward OA that can be a threat that can score on the top two lines.

The defence will need to be reconstructed. Moving out Bishop, possibly Chromiak and Toure.

Import pick Dvorsky will be key. Draft another solid older Import either up front or on the backend.

Moving into 2023-24

Musty DvorskyGoyette
(Trade or Import) Delic McCallum OA
Walton Villeneuve Pharand

Konyen
Coughlan
Yearwood
DiGiantomasso
1st Round Pick
Larmand-trade
Bourdreau-trade

Not sure how they work out all the bodies up front but something will need to happen. Konyen wont play 4th line minutes.

Anania OA Collins
(Trade or Import) Mania
Walton Chromiak
Protz Bruce

Bishop-trade or release
2nd Rd pick
Tours-trade

Krawchuk
Gaulton

Some young dmen will need to be moved. I just don't see this being strong enough for a run without some solid 19 year olds there.

WJ

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

If you're comfortable with Krawchuck as number 1 why would you draft Ivankovic?

05, 3 years of eligibility left and you drafted Gaulton in 2nd round last year with 4, and should be more then capable in backing him up this year.

This would be bad asset management in my opinion if you pick two goalies in top 2 rounds in two consecutive drafts yet still have your #1 starter in place on top of that. Gaulton needs a hard look or you would have to trade him for pennies on the dollar and focus your development efforts on Ivankovic whom you just drafted. He isn't reporting to play in Espo.

Now if you aren't sold on Chucky then maybe, but if you're that confident in him you can't pick G 9th overall.

From what I have read, a goalie of Jack’s calibre comes around once every 10 years. If available at 9 can you be at fault for taking the best player at his position?

 

[dirty12]

From what I have read, a goalie of Jack’s calibre comes around once every 10 years. If available at 9 can you be at fault for taking the best player at his position?

Four years ago scouts believed Goudreau was easily best in a decade, some thought more, one had never seen the likes of Gaudreau in his 25+ years of scouting. Selected #7 turned out ok, he is a very solid starter for a contender at 19.
If 100% certain this goalie is better than Reenders, he could go by middle of 1st round I think. But it shouldn’t be a wannabe contender, or team with less than 5-6 picks through round 4 imo.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

It’s been well stated on this board by me: I luv Chucky. Further, by all accounts Gaulton is gonna be good so I’m not saying we need another young elite goalie. But, depth is not a bad thing and since we can’t draft the best DMan or a top 5 forward, taking the top Tender would be understandable…just saying.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

From what I have read, a goalie of Jack’s calibre comes around once every 10 years. If available at 9 can you be at fault for taking the best player at his position?

If the Wolves are serious about making a run they need to draft a player that they can deal at the deadline aka Mortone, VanVolson. Judging by the deals made by the Wolves to stockpile picks for drafts after this year signals that they are positioning themselves to making deals to bloster the lineup to make a run. Taking a young goalie defeats the purpose when you already have two. Unless of course a deal is already in the works for the Wolves to deal with NorthBay for Nelson, DiVincientis. Wolves maybe taking the goalie and sending him to the Bay come January. I just don't know if you can deal 1st round pick goalies. Never been done before. I still think its far fetched.

WJ