Post-Game Talk: Subban Stinks!

[will1066]

I re-watched all the goals as I generally do late that night or the next morning, because I'm a f***in nerd.

The plays Fox made on his two assists -- you can either do that or you can't. It can't be taught.

On the PP goal I don't think he ever looked at Zibanejad, and the defense fell right into his trap. And yet somehow, he knew exactly where Zib's tape was. He just has the whole ice in his head and that's a gift from upstairs.

He's truly special.

Chef's kiss. That initial play he made at the blue line to keep the play alive, chef's kiss. Then he patiently waited, glided down the lane when it presented itself and made the no-look pass. Also, note that it was Miller who made the first pass to Fox on the scoring play.

 

[Machinehead]

Chef's kiss. That initial play he made at the blue line to keep the play alive, chef's kiss. Then he patiently waited, glided down the lane when it presented itself and made the no-look pass. Also, note that it was Miller who made the first pass to Fox on the scoring play.

You mean Miller-Fox might be a good idea?! I wonder if anybody on here might have suggested that!!

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

The weakness of Subban's character was revealed when he finally engaged Kreider by jumping him when the Ranger wasn't looking. Same type of impulse that allows you to subconsciously slew foot a bigger adversary after decades of on-ice competition, muscle memory and elite ability. Props to Gallant for letting it pass and letting the boys take care of it. The opposite of last year's debacle. Hopefully Reaves is okay. I think Subban got the worst of this, let's hope. It will mess with his head. Too bad. I was starting to respect the guy these last few seasons. Not any more.

 

[JimmyG89]

You mean Miller-Fox might be a good idea?! I wonder if anybody on here might have suggested that!!

Still think over the long haul if Jones is not moved, they should be doing this

Miller-Fox
Lindgren-Lundkvist
Jones-Trouba

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Still think over the long haul if Jones is not moved, they should be doing this

Miller-Fox
Lindgren-Lundkvist
Jones-Trouba

I'm down with that, and we trade Troube the moment his NMC changes to M-NTC.

 

[mas0764]

Tinordi has nothing to do with Nils bad period.

Fox making a few mistakes doesn’t change the period that Nils had.

Him being young had nothing to do with having a bad period. He was even younger the 2 periods prior.

the excuse making for him is insane lol.

Seems like this post lacks context.

 

[ohbaby]

I hope Miller-Trouba tightens it up, you can see the potential there but both of them need to not play so sloppy. I think it was good to see more of a spark and real aggressive play after the first period and it's going to be up to the coaching staff to keep that consistent. It is why players like Blais and Reaves and Goodrow are useful in that they bring that to the ice all the time and it helps keep the other players on their toes as well. At least, in theory, dunno that it's something that can really be measured

I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. Miller and Trouba have been sloppy. I was hoping Miller might have a breakout season with one under his belt. I was hopeful he might be the one who joins the rush with Trouba staying back. He has the speed to do so, if he gets caught up ice, to get back quickly unlike Trouba. And he may have a more offensive upside than Trouba. But I just don't see him taking the initiative. Seems he rather see Trouba stumble and cover his butt, than to jump up into plays. That might change, but we will see. They might be our worst D pair this preseason. Miller needs to take the blinkers off and show more assertiveness. We can't expect much from Trouba, he's just not that skilled.

 

[ohbaby]

Blais: yes.
Goodrow: yes.
Reaves: yes.
Tinordi: … #9 or worse

Let’s say, Fox, Lindy, Miller, Trouba, Nemeth, Lundkvist end up being our main 6. Frankly, I would prefer Bitetto and Hajek both over Tinordi (I’m excluding options like Jones because I’m talking about guys I’m okay with sitting in the press box). If that played out, where Bitteto and Hajek were ahead of him, Tinordi would hit waivers, at which point - if we were so injured as to be on the #9 guy on our depth chart - I’d much rather just call up Jones or Schneider than Tinordi. Which essentially means Tinordi could cease to exist this very moment and it would be inconsequential

I think we need Tinordi just like we need Reaves. We need to protect our stars and youngsters. That's the only reason he is here. Teams are going to take liberties against us, after we shellac them.

And you can bet Tinordi will start the season vs the Caps and drop the gloves with Wilson.

 

[chosen]

It wasn't a single shift and you seem more bothered about what I said.
(I also never said I was unhappy with him)

Just thought it was odd to register concern about a player in a pre-season game in which he scored 2 goals.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I re-watched all the goals as I generally do late that night or the next morning, because I'm a f***in nerd.

The plays Fox made on his two assists -- you can either do that or you can't. It can't be taught.

On the PP goal I don't think he ever looked at Zibanejad, and the defense fell right into his trap. And yet somehow, he knew exactly where Zib's tape was. He just has the whole ice in his head and that's a gift from upstairs.

He's truly special.

I don't remember the last time I saw a defensemen who excelled at making other players beat themselves as much as Fox does.

 

[ohbaby]

Aside from the Subban stuff, a big takeaway from last night is Kakko's skating is so improved. His breakaway speed on his goal was great, in the last couple seasons he would've gotten caught. He looks great in the NZ and his skating while cycling down low has that extra explosiveness to it that is helping create that little bit of separation that wasn't consistently there last year.

He also played a big part on Panarin's goal without touching the puck. When Mcleod was circling behind his own net, he had to stop on a dime because Kakko had quickly shut off his escape rout on the other side. Forcing him to go back the other way with Strome right there. Mcleod was trapped and was forced to turn it over.

It was great forechecking by that entire line that led to Panarin's goal.

 

[will1066]

He also played a big part on Panarin's goal without touching the puck. When Mcleod was circling behind his own net, he had to stop on a dime because Kakko had quickly shut off his escape rout on the other side. Forcing him to go back the other way with Strome right there. Mcleod was trapped and was forced to turn it over.

It was great forechecking by that entire line that led to Panarin's goal.

Yep, I saw that too.

 

[ohbaby]

Yep, I saw that too.

I can't help but be excited for this team. I know it is only preseason, but to put the beating on the Debs after they soundly thrashed us earlier was just so sweet. Now we finish the preseason against the Isles. Time for another payback after they shut us out in the first game. What a great way to end the preseason. LGR!

 

[Lays]

I re-watched all the goals as I generally do late that night or the next morning, because I'm a f***in nerd.

The plays Fox made on his two assists -- you can either do that or you can't. It can't be taught.

On the PP goal I don't think he ever looked at Zibanejad, and the defense fell right into his trap. And yet somehow, he knew exactly where Zib's tape was. He just has the whole ice in his head and that's a gift from upstairs.

He's truly special.

I commented this in the GDT but on the second Mika goal I remember Sam saying Mika was his 3rd option there as Fox couldn’t find a pass to his first two options as Panarin/Strome were both covered. But you could tell from the start that Fox was using his body language to hide the fact he wanted to pass that to Mika all along. Mika was the 1st option, Fox just had to pretend like he wasn’t. His vision, IQ, and patience are incredible

 

[Machinehead]

I don't remember the last time I saw a defensemen who excelled at making other players beat themselves as much as Fox does.

I remember and y'all know who that is.

And when I compare him to you-know-who I do not take that lightly.

 

[RangerBlues]

The whole sctick last night was an embarrassment.
clown show

 

[Miamipuck]

I remember and y'all know who that is.

And when I compare him to you-know-who I do not take that lightly.

Serious, who are you thinking?

 

[Machinehead]

Serious, who are you thinking?

He reminds me of Leetch in every way. The poise, the swagger, the positioning, even the build.

And like I said, Leetch is THE man, and I don't just make that comparison in passing.

I can't believe it happened again. Sometimes I'm still waiting to wake up from the dream with this guy.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm 7 years older than Fox (f*** me!) and that makes a big difference. I can't imagine at that age he really got to observe and appreciate Leetch as it happened like I did.

That being said, the influence is there. It's so clear. I guess from his parents or older siblings, that's something was put into Fox's head. I mean, growing up a Rangers fan when he did, who else you gonna be? Tom Poti?

 

[ohbaby]

Isles vs Devils game cancelled tonight at the Rock due to power outage. Devils preseason is over. Game will not be made up. Isles play us Saturday.

 

[will1066]

I'm 7 years older than Fox (f*** me!) and that makes a big difference. I can't imagine at that age he really got to observe and appreciate Leetch as it happened like I did.

That being said, the influence is there. It's so clear. I guess from his parents or older siblings, that's something was put into Fox's head. I mean, growing up a Rangers fan when he did, who else you gonna be? Tom Poti?

Dave Karpa

 

[egelband]

Kreider looked like he wanted the C last night. If I’m Gallant I tell him you play like this every night and the C is yours.

and he was like from puck drop. His first shift he laid a big hit and set the tone of the night. We need him to do that more. I’m not fixed on his offensive game as others are. I want him to be the leader we need.

Yep. He needs to focus on making space. Hitting is part of that. Lugging the puck with speed is part of that. The points will come. But first thing he needs to do is make is presence felt. I know it’s easier said than done but if he’s not really worrying about scoring, maybe it’s more attainable. Just a different approach. Though i assume he has been told this before. So who knows…

 

[egelband]

The weakness of Subban's character was revealed when he finally engaged Kreider by jumping him when the Ranger wasn't looking. Same type of impulse that allows you to subconsciously slew foot a bigger adversary after decades of on-ice competition, muscle memory and elite ability. Props to Gallant for letting it pass and letting the boys take care of it. The opposite of last year's debacle. Hopefully Reaves is okay. I think Subban got the worst of this, let's hope. It will mess with his head. Too bad. I was starting to respect the guy these last few seasons. Not any more.

The weird thing is Subban is very likeable off the ice. It’s a shame. I want to like him. But he’s such a twerp.

 

[Synergy27]

I re-watched all the goals as I generally do late that night or the next morning, because I'm a f***in nerd.

The plays Fox made on his two assists -- you can either do that or you can't. It can't be taught.

On the PP goal I don't think he ever looked at Zibanejad, and the defense fell right into his trap. And yet somehow, he knew exactly where Zib's tape was. He just has the whole ice in his head and that's a gift from upstairs.

He's truly special.

The pass he made on Zibanejad’s second goal was absurd. There was a subtlety on that play that I assume is lost on most casual fans.

He delays the pass a fraction of a second. This delay opens a lane that simply wasn’t there previously. If he attempts that pass without that delay, it’s blocked or deflected every time.

This is what people are referring to when they discuss IQ. These are the things that you simply can’t teach. The kid is unreal.

 

[egelband]

Btw. While I usually get on the refs I was impressed that they didn’t let Subban get away with that nonsense when Kreider tried to fight him. Two mins for Unsportsmanlike is essentially the refs saying ‘take your medicine, punk’.