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OT: Subban - Just for Laughs Gala
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VladTheLimpWhaler
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Yes, this is indeed good. Those of us who are suspicious of PK's motives aren't saying that he doesn't actually care about children, like he is some kind of Dickensian villain who likes to whack his cane across the faces of poverty stricken children as he walks by them in his designer suit. It's not a black and white issue where someone is either all bad or all good. Jumping from one extreme to another like that is itself a sign of disordered thinking, as if the smallest criticism means you are saying he is a horrible person.
habdynasty
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I'm talking about with respect to the Montreal Canadiens. I'm well aware of the ignore feature and I quite enjoy reading these threads.
I'm looking forward to PK cementing himself into Nashville the way he did in Montreal. Should be fun to watch from a distance.
And I clearly point out that I do not agree with his characterization of PK Subban.
I touched on a few of them, and you as usual, took them and twisted them to be what you want to it to be. We've done this song and dance before.
This...
Take someone who bullies you by spreading false rumors about you behind your back. They always pick the right words so that they can have plausible deniability afterwars. So, they'll talk to your coworkers and imply/hint that you are not trustworthy, but they'll never actually say it, because they want to be able to deny it. Then you come along and call the bully on their behavior, but you look like you're just a paranoid one because you have no "proof". It's just a misunderstanding, you see. When the bully hinted that you are not trustworthy, he didn't mean it in a bad way, it's just a misunderstanding. What proof do you have that the bully actually has it out for you?
The bully actually takes advantage of the fact that others require "proof"
Emotional manipulators love the concept of "proof" because most of their behavior is specifically designed to look innocent
Also this...
He goes to the Gala, cracks a few jokes, has a big smile on his face, and to his fans it looks all innocent, but look at what he actually accomplished. He reinforced every single anti-management pro-PK impression out there, showing himself to be a master manipulator who is very adept at managing people's impressions and being charming. All of a sudden, management is on the defensive and because it was a comedy show, there is this cover of "oh, it was just comedy" and management would look like they can't take a joke if they get offended by anything he says. In fact, they don't just look like they can't take a joke, they look like they are the ones who are being aggressive because they would look like they are attacking PK for having a personality and cracking jokes. That's what covert aggression does - it hides the aggressive intention in the original act, so that when the victim reacts to the abuse, the victim looks like they are the one being aggressive. Like a bully who spreads lies about you behind your back and makes you look like you're the crazy paranoid aggressive one when you freak out about it.
There are a few other things Vlad touched on that made me think...
Does that satisfy your blood thirst?
I'll say it AGAIN...I don't agree with Vlad how he's essentially saying that PK Subban's philanthropic endeavours are just a ruse to feed his narcissistic tendencies. I think PK Subban is very genuine as a person so I think everything he does for charities is because he's a great person, not because, or rather, not exclusively because he loves the attention.
I also don't agree with psychologically analyzing someone who I don't know...
again, he went at lengths in his post and I didn't agree with everything, but some of it hit a nerve with me.
More of the same questions, that I've already answered...skim through the thread
Yet you can't help yourself to respond to my posts...seems you find some substance to it...
You know what I do when someone posts something with no substance?
I don't reply to it.
What's pathetic? My posts...
or you taking the time to respond to my posts?
WhiskeySeven*
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Did Roy ever go away?
The Preds are a cup contender and in a fantastic division, they're going to be facing off against the Blackhawks, Blues, and Stars a lot now and Subban is going to be in the lime-light a whole lot because of it. The NHL will market the crap out of Subban, and no one will let us forget about the time Montreal banished their homegrown superstar in the most arbitrary and unnecessary of ways.
Or, Weber will take over PK's public relations duties and become a legendary ambassador and player for the Habs, a glittering personality, a phenomenal talent and performer, an epic playoff player and make us all forget about Pernell Karl HUSSEIN Subban.
Roy didn't come back to visit like PK is doing. I'm looking forward to him going away and being a Nashville predator, singing karaoke to Johnny Cash. My money has him on a mechanical bull before September. Maybe he'll be their next captain.
The respective teams success or failure will take care of itself. That part I can deal with. Its like PK isnt' ready to let go yet. He has to show everyone how stupid management is. Hopefully this is the end of it. He said his goodbyes with the gala, he extended his promise to the hospital, good bye PK, take care in Nashville.
WhiskeySeven*
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Let's be fair, he was booked to do the show before he was traded. He stuck to his word and did the show, it was fine. Apparently, even lame-o middle-men slugs like Dave Stubbs were happy with it.
This thread has taken a life of its own though.
It has, and while entertaining, its one of the reasons I'm not sad to see PK go. He has an ability to polarize fans to a state that either you absolutely love him and everything he stands for, or you're just looking for excuses to hate on him.
Happy trails PK.
sheed36
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I have no idea what's going on in this thread now but it sure as hell isn't about Subban's - Just for Laughs Gala anymore.
How many more million does PK have left to raise for the hospital?
How can it be reasonable expect him to cease having a public presence in Mtl and continue fundraising there?
WhiskeySeven*
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It's an auxiliary discussion about the motivations that drive PK Subban. Is he a narcissist or a charitable guy? Did he do the show to take shots at the Habs (having some clearly gypsy-like foresight that he'd get traded when he signed on to host the show)?
Riveting stuff.
It was pretty clear and commonly known that the writers for the show had to re-write the scripts after the trade...
Which were of course all pre-approved by PK Subban, there were apparently even more jokes that didn't make it because he didn't sign off on them.
Whatever jokes he said, which were written for him, he signed off on.
Do you seriously think the jokes were written and we're going to be said if he had never been traded?
Come on lol
JLP
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Cool. You said:
"Writing a show is a particular skill that begins with creative brainstorming among fellow writers, and then is completed by a single writer who turns ideas into a concrete script. Obviously multiple writers can be involved in a show, but each writes their own part. Writers do not work with figurehead hosts whispering in their ear. PK is not qualified to write a show, plus he wasn't even available while it was being written."
In my professional experience scripts have been written, developed and performed in many different ways that don't follow that template. Often the performer is whispering in my ear during the writing process.
In this case, Patrick Dussault wrote the Gala's "Letter to Bergevin" skit (performed by Peter Keleghan), and, in collaboration with PK, the monologue. In Dussault's own words, "Our idea was catharsis through laughter. I wrote a few jokes that PK said 'no, we can't do that'. To us it was a cheeky way of dealing with a difficult situation with playful jabs."
PK is not a talking head.
Dussault interview:
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/pat-dussault-pk-subban-was-amazing-to-work-with-1.536730
waffledave
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I have no doubt that he will, considering the fantastic successes he's already had with the 0 times he's stepped foot in the city since the trade.
I truly don't get this "PK does it only for the cameras!" nonsense.
I sincerely do not care if it's all for show. If he does it all for the glory. I don't care if behind the scenes he's rubbing his hands together like a supervillain saying "**** THESE CHILDREN!" because at the end of the day he is doing more and has done more for these kids and the hospital than you, me or anyone in this thread combined.
WhiskeySeven*
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Agreed with this....the motivations behind his charitable work shouldn't be questioned or demonized, people should just, like he said, "shut up and help".
WhiskeySeven*
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Speak for yourself, I have it on good authority that LShap has quietly pledged to donate $1.00 Canadian dollars for every anti-management post written since 2012. I've done my part, have you?
Well I don't think he's a bad person for doing it...
I don't think he's a bad person at all, quite the opposite, he's one of the few athletes that I think should be idolized.
Just not sure I agree with the notion that it was all for laughs and that there was nothing to it. I think he's very aware of the temperature in Montreal, that most fans are upset at the trade and hold management in contempt and this just helps promote this narrative (whether or not you think this narrative is legit, is up to you to decide).
I just have trouble with subscribing to the theory that the Habs are the 'big bad wolf' who just couldn't handle PK Subban's personality....i think the relationship between both parties is just way more complex and two-sided than its being presented
WhiskeySeven*
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LShap better pony up, I've only criticized management because of his pledge - they haven't done anything to earn any criticism otherwise.
There is no Big Bad Wolf.
Subban hosted a show he was signed up to do for a long time. He did it well. That was it. There was no damage either way, to any one.
You made a deal of it, and now are dismissing how outraged you acted just a few hours ago. I'm glad you've calmed down but take into account you weren't cool with anything just a few pages ago.
I was outraged? Lol...ok if you say so
My feelings then and now haven't changed, you just think they have.
But I still don't like the fact that shots were taken at the organization, I still find it cheap and beneath him and wished the Habs, regardless of if it was warranted or not, had just been kept out of the show
Like it would of been had he NOT been traded
It's not because I don't just agree with everything Subban does that i'm against him or don't support him or think he's a wonderful player/person.
Because I do....but it doesn't change the fact that I think the whole thing was cheap.
I don't like the fact he did Therrien's impersonation using his frensh/english accent, that's cheap to me...no matter how I feel about Therrien
Just like I thought it was cheap of Therrien to single out Subban every time he did.
I don't play favorites, I try to call things as they are. My feelings about PK Subban and management are completely independent of themselves.
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