Post-Game Talk: Studlarz > Swayboy -- Leafs win 4-0

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Who wants a trophy named after Deer piss?

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I was joking that maybe Matthews was the problem, indirectly maybe he was part of the problem, perhaps the team was deferring too much to Matty on the PP, he has the best shot and the goal is to score...soooo perhaps it was a case of being too predictable on the PP?

He's been part of the problem this year. Whatever the injury is, it's affected his shot... and he's been ineffective, but they keep trying to go to him.
 
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I was told Marner has a weak shot, slow skater and does not adhere to an off season workout/nutrition program and is the ill's of everything Leafy, the graphic must have been wrong.
That’s old news, the special insight crew has now moved on to assists being worthless :laugh:

They’re going to be the death of this board. You can already see the stupidity driving people away.
 
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That’s old news, the special insight crew has now moved on to assists being worthless :laugh:

They’re going to be the death of this board. You can already see the stupidity driving people away.
Marnerites and there echo chamber view points are far more likely ruin this place, can’t wait till he’s playing elsewhere and hopefully taking his disciples with him………
 

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I was told Marner has a weak shot, slow skater and does not adhere to an off season workout/nutrition program and is the ill's of everything Leafy, the graphic must have been wrong.

I don't know who told you that. Who called Marner a slow skater?
Weak shot? Yes.
Offseason workout/nutrition? No idea.

The problem with Marner is his contract demands more than anything. Is it worth paying him 12M+ for a player who's not physical, scared of physical contact, not a strong threat to score and easily intimidated? My answer to that is no.

I think the Leafs would do better going with two 6M+ (or McDavid if he reaches UFA) players that offer more scoring throughout the lineup. Especially since Matthews showed us last season his production didn't drop even with extended periods without Marner.
 

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Goes to show what this team is capable of when there head space is right

No Matthews but instead of differing to him they took it upon themselves to get the win and our best players played like it

Goaltending was A+, Marner looked like the best RW in the game, special teams turned up, all our best stood up

Proud of that performance
 
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Robertson best game last night

Knies needs to park his big bodyon̈ the PP in front the net like last night tips and screening the goaltender..they were showing on the PP finally.
 
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Goes to show what this team is capable of when there head space is right

No Matthews but instead of differing to him they took it upon themselves to get the win and our best players played like it

Goaltending was A+, Marner looked like the best RW in the game, special teams turned up, all our best stood up

Proud of that performance

In the short term, it helps a team to adopt a pack mentality and just be in the position to be mission focused, vs looking to a lead dog that’s struggling. Seems to be the dynamic the past 3 games Matthews has missed vs Boston going back to last year.
 
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In the short term, it helps a team to adopt a pack mentality and just be in the position to be mission focused, vs looking to a lead dog that’s struggling. Seems to be the dynamic the past 3 games Matthews has missed vs Boston going back to last year.

They seem to want the responsibility for winning games when Matthews isn't there to defer to

They need to think like that when Matthew's is playing, we'd be miles more dangerous
 

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They seem to want the responsibility for winning games when Matthews isn't there to defer to

They need to think like that when Matthew's is playing, we'd be miles more dangerous

The gold standard is your best player leading the charge but the troops are firing on all cylinders too. So like last night's effort, but Matthews is ahead of the pack.
 

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But how many 0f those winning records are lower than the team avg of 358-189-73? So the team is below avg when certain players are missing.
So the overall team average is 1.27 points per game.

Without JT it's 1.38
Without Mo it's 1.36
Without Matty it's 1.30

All better records without them.

Without Willy it's 1.07
Without Mitch its 1.07

Virtually identical below average records with either of those two missing.

So which "one of them" is the obvious one we need?
 

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The gold standard is your best player leading the charge but the troops are firing on all cylinders too. So like last night's effort, but Matthews is ahead of the pack.

He can lead but the other guys need to take responsibility to, there to good to just be side kicks
 

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I was thinking the same thing. What does this look like? I assume we keep the JT line together. How do we line-up the other six?

Knies Matthews Robertson
Pacioretty Tavares Nylander
McMann Domi Marner

Lorentz Kampf Holmberg Reaves Jarnkrok Dewar...Minten

I am not sure I have the best top nine configuration there. I think if we keep the three duos together, then maybe we swap McMann and Robertson and I am not sure I like that either. Obviously we have to move out some fourth liners soon.
No clue. I feel like you can't break up that Tavares line and I think that line could be even better if we have Matthews and Marner on seperate lines and get some easier matchups potentially. If we end up keeping Jarnkrok somehow then I could see him on a line with Domi and Matthews if we could get a C to play with Marner and Knies. Maybe Minten could be that guy soon.

Domi-Matthews-Jarnkrok
Knies-Minten/?-Marner
Patches-Tavares-Nylander

I don't hate those lines but now you got McMann, Robertson and Holmberg possibly not playing even though they all haven't been great this season. I'll assume that we move Jarnkrok and 1 of Robertson and McMann play where Jarnkrok is.
 
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So the overall team average is 1.27 points per game.

Without JT it's 1.38
Without Mo it's 1.36
Without Matty it's 1.30

All better records without them.

Without Willy it's 1.07
Without Mitch its 1.07

Virtually identical below average records with either of those two missing.

So which "one of them" is the obvious one we need?
I don’t even know how you got your numbers but yeah I think William is worth more than Marner but not much more. William at 11.5, as I have said all along Mitch at 11.
 
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So the overall team average is 1.27 points per game.

Without JT it's 1.38
Without Mo it's 1.36
Without Matty it's 1.30

All better records without them.

Without Willy it's 1.07
Without Mitch its 1.07

Virtually identical below average records with either of those two missing.

So which "one of them" is the obvious one we need?
How’d you come up with the math cause I added overtime losses with losses and Willy edges Marner by a slim margin
 

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Late to the party had to work late yesterday to missed the game. Just watched the highlights good to see PP potting goals.

And since the RUINS were shutout had to do a dancing gif given whats just transpired had to be this gif ;)

trump-trump-dance.gif
 

rumman

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Late to the party had to work late yesterday to missed the game. Just watched the highlights good to see PP potting goals.

And since the RUINS were shutout had to do a dancing gif given whats just transpired had to be this gif ;)

trump-trump-dance.gif
Great GIF, Christmas came early this year………
 

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I don't know who told you that. Who called Marner a slow skater?
Weak shot? Yes.
Offseason workout/nutrition? No idea.

The problem with Marner is his contract demands more than anything. Is it worth paying him 12M+ for a player who's not physical, scared of physical contact, not a strong threat to score and easily intimidated? My answer to that is no.

I think the Leafs would do better going with two 6M+ (or McDavid if he reaches UFA) players that offer more scoring throughout the lineup. Especially since Matthews showed us last season his production didn't drop even with extended periods without Marner.
Yes it is. We must not proceed as an organization with Matthews, Nylander AND Marner and Tavares.
 

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I don't know who told you that. Who called Marner a slow skater?
Weak shot? Yes.
Offseason workout/nutrition? No idea.

The problem with Marner is his contract demands more than anything. Is it worth paying him 12M+ for a player who's not physical, scared of physical contact, not a strong threat to score and easily intimidated? My answer to that is no.

I think the Leafs would do better going with two 6M+ (or McDavid if he reaches UFA) players that offer more scoring throughout the lineup. Especially since Matthews showed us last season his production didn't drop even with extended periods without Marner.

Who told me that I wont point fingers but it was a poster on this very forum.

Not sure physical contact is the be all and end all if the player is able to do other things that help contribute to the overall success of a team. To have a great cake you need more than one ingredient, to have a great team you need more than just one type of player. Reaves is a very physical player does he contribute to the overall team success than Marner?

I think your assessment is fair, he is not physical, he does not engage in physical contact, he's not an elite scorer but is a good scorer he's scored +25g 4 times in his career, for a pass first player, that is pretty decent. he is an elite defensive forward, an elite passer and an elite puck mover, all skills teams covet.

Will he be pricy? Yep, absolutely, when you have a guy who averages 90+ points a year, plays PP/PK/ES, has the 2nd most points out of any player that has been drafted since his draft year, only McDavid has more points, the price tag makes sense. Can two $6 mil players bring you the same impact? Possibly? How do we get these guys? Probably not trade, we dont have a lot of assets to trade without hurting the roster. UFA? You get rid of Marner's 90 points, you would have to replace those 90 points plus a another roster spot, say the other out going Leaf player brings you 50 points, this means you need to add 2 guys who can bring you 70 points, play elite defence, PK and PP and play top 6 minutes. Which UFA's next year fit that description? Cowan? Minten? Maybe? Do we want to hedge our bets and expect one of them to be a ready made pro next season that will get us a PPG?

If we let Mitch go, the fans better be prepared for a step back, this is not a guy you easily replace in the lineup, does he have his warts, sure but his positives far outweigh his negatives... Money is money, cap is cap you can always find more more money more cap space, fun ways to manipulate the cap, other administrative things to get you the player you want, you can't just plant a seed and instantly replace one of the best forwards in the league.

That’s old news, the special insight crew has now moved on to assists being worthless :laugh:

They’re going to be the death of this board. You can already see the stupidity driving people away.

LOL so true ... have you seen many people claiming Domi is a far more effective player than Marner recently? No? I wonder why...
 

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Marnerites and there echo chamber view points are far more likely ruin this place, can’t wait till he’s playing elsewhere and hopefully taking his disciples with him………

Hate to be "that guy" but it is THEIR not there ... why would factual based debates ruin this place... ? Marner is staying, it's just a matter of price. 22 mil is coming off the books with JT and Mitch's contract expiring, to add $12.5 mil to the cap , it's not a heavy lift for Tree.

Or do you give Woll night one and hope a fresh Stolarz bails you out in game 2?

Gotta go with Woll, using Stolarz too much early could burn him out, he;s never been a #1. We either have confidence in Woll or we dont, I think Stolarz should get about 55% to 60% of the games and Woll takes the rest
 

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