Player Discussion Stuart Skinner

[NegativeNelly]

I can't wait for a Stuart Skinner appreciation thread. Comments will be interesting

 

[K1984]

The Skinner addiction from this organization is nearing the point of deluding themselves into self destruction. Might already be there.

Even if they like him, at what point is enough enough and change is needed? Anyone here ever have that employee or coworker that is a good person, and people like, and you want to keep giving them chances, but just can't get it done? That's what he is to this organization now.

We get it. Local. Young. Almost won it once. But for f*** sakes, facts are facts here.

 

[Arty Spooners Bsmnt]

That 3-0 goal that ended any hopes of winning game 6 should be enough to make them want to find another goalie.

 

[McTedi]

That 3-0 goal that ended any hopes of winning game 6 should be enough to make them want to find another goalie.

That goal was pretty much Stu waving the white flag, granted our forwards did f*** all.

 

[K1984]

That 3-0 goal that ended any hopes of winning game 6 should be enough to make them want to find another goalie.

It wasn’t technical either. That was 1000% a lack of focus. He wasn’t paying attention then got stuck when the puck floated in. Like he does.

That’s the biggest tell there that he’s got to go. If there were focus and work ethic concerns in any other position this key that player would get walked. He just gets to float along.

I don’t know how many times he or others saw he lost focus or wasn’t competing this playoff? That isn’t acceptable.

 

[rboomercat90]

The Skinner addiction from this organization is nearing the point of deluding themselves into self destruction. Might already be there.

Even if they like him, at what point is enough enough and change is needed? Anyone here ever have that employee or coworker that is a good person, and people like, and you want to keep giving them chances, but just can't get it done? That's what he is to this organization now.

We get it. Local. Young. Almost won it once. But for f*** sakes, facts are facts here.

I’m not even sure how likeable a guy he is. This is a guy that has a habit of taking no public accountability for his poor performances, insisting he has personally played well in bad games. All while having no issue with saying the team was bad and needs to be better and referring to team as “they” instead of “we”.

I have a hard time believing any character like this is popular with any group he’s associated with.

 

[647Hockey]

The Skinner addiction from this organization is nearing the point of deluding themselves into self destruction. Might already be there.

Even if they like him, at what point is enough enough and change is needed? Anyone here ever have that employee or coworker that is a good person, and people like, and you want to keep giving them chances, but just can't get it done? That's what he is to this organization now.

We get it. Local. Young. Almost won it once. But for f*** sakes, facts are facts here.

If cats have 9 lives, Skinner has 99.

Even when Pickard is 7-1 with comparable GAA/save % (if not a bit better in reg season and playoffs), Skinner is somehow always given a chance to be #1 starter over and over again.

Name one other goalie in playoff history that had a stat line of 15 GP, let in 5+ goals 5 times, 4 goals once, and got pulled twice including letting in 3 goals and pulled after first period. And how many of those games did he let in 2 or more in the first period? Had to be a lot. Did goalies in the high scoring 80s do this bad? It's a much lower scoring era than 40 years ago.

Basically half his games were total junk and still got handed the keys to the last game.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

These playoffs just continued to show the problem with Skinner: He's either amazing or unplayable. There is zero in-between and zero ability to predict it. (well unless his opponent is Dallas)


In 15 playoff games he had 1 game with (what I'd call) an average SV% (890-920). And I'm not picking out arbitrary numbers that deliberately just miss what he had: The nearest to either extreme was .881 and .966...

His playoff stats are hilarious. You've heard of Russian Roulette? Well behold, Skinner Roulette...

• Games with over .965: 5
• Games with under .835: 7
• And games between those extremes: 3

 

[Fishy McScales]

Stu Skinner is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

 

[Drivesaitl]

These playoffs just continued to show the problem with Skinner: He's either amazing or unplayable. There is zero in-between and zero ability to predict it. (well unless his opponent is Dallas)


In 15 playoff games he had 1 game with (what I'd call) an average SV% (890-920). And I'm not picking out arbitrary numbers that deliberately just miss what he had: The nearest to either extreme was .881 and .966...

His playoff stats are hilarious. You've heard of Russian Roulette? Well behold, Skinner Roulette...

• Games with over .965: 5
• Games with under .835: 7
• And games between those extremes: 3

Skinner is not amazing, ever, my lord this fiction needs to die. He occasionally doing what he needs to do and stay in his net when the club is playing airtignt and we're playing clubs that are either inept or basically incapable of making plays or scoring.

Whenever Skinner is facing a club that is scoring goals, and that is confident scoring goals he struggles.

This is a goalie that rarely makes robbery stops because he just doesn't have the movement and athleticism to do so. He doesn't have the technique or form either.

People conflate the amount of times Skinner dives at a puck and gets lucky vs some kind of premium play. At best when he stays in his cage He blocks a lot of the net due to his sheer size while still giving up frequent bar down or bar in shots or 5 hole or glove side etc.

This was a goalie that was 7-9 in the playoffs this season except Pickard saved him from one of the losses. I shouldn't have to tell anybody that a goalie under .500 in the playoffs is SUICIDE to go with and rely on. This should've stopped years ago.

Bowman guilty of the same shit believing idiots like Schwartz that Skinner is an actual starter and that he didn't need to improve the goalie file. ffs assess properly. Its the most important spot in playoff hockey.

 

[Sinnerella]

With a cap of 94 million and the goal of fielding a cap compliant 20 man roster on day one, that leaves this sort of distribution:

4.7-4.7-4.7
4.7-4.7-4.7
4.7-4.7-4.7
4.7-4.7-4.7

4.7-4.7
4.7-4.7
4.7-4.7

4.7
4.7

As is known, you allocate resources from the various individual entities to the more profitable/roi entities and you see first liners making more and fourth liners making less, but the reason i bring this up is for stuart skinner and the oilers: they have spent almost all the default goalie money on the rest of the roster. That is 9.4 million the oilers spend 3.6 on - 5.8 million is moved from this default setup to the rest of the roster. This team is built for the skaters to carry the goalies. The goalies, by design, are meant to give them a fighting chance. The oilers bet on skinner being young and say having a 4.5 performance for a 2.6 cap hit - he definitely played above 2.6, even if inconsistent (6 games 29/30 or 29/31 then 10 with a .820 save %) lol

Stuart skinner performed more than his cap hit, and showed a lot of up arrows in relation to continued improvement. He is definitely imo going to be a top 10 goalie for minimum 2 seasons at some point, probably at age 31ish. For next year, i expect a top 15ish like say rank 17 goalie who could be as good 8th depending on how much he progresses. With the way the team has cap allocated, there is only really one other option league wide that can be considered: gibson. Apparently he has expressed willingness to waive his NMC for the oilers IF he is guaranteed starter push. Double retention has him at 1.6. Skinner may need to go out in that scenario, but it would also be good if the oilers somehow could find the 600k difference between pickard and gibson at 25% to make a gibson/skinner duo happen next year then who knows.

If you do not do that, skinner is still solid enough. The nhl has various experiments about ways to build teams re contract timing cap allocation scouting etc etc and the oilers model has been good enough to beat everyone but florida the last two years, based on score. This year, they were right there just where they spent the money didnt show up as much as needed - guess what? Hyman literally 5 million of that was out the whole series! That may be the difference between 2-3 more powerplay goals and 1 EV strength goal lol that coulda put mcd and drai to say 10in6 or 9in6 or 9in5 and everything would be hunky dorey. Even as is, they were inches from winning, that series could have gone either way, a true fight. With hyman, who knows - he is the oilers' sam bennett.

All this to say: Skinner should be an oiler next year.

 

[BlackDogg]

Don't even want to see this guy as the backup and not even close. Should be Pickard with the better upside. I don't even know if stu is capable of backup most times.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Not grabbing markstrom for that extra year caused this vicious cycle of less than mediocrity in our goaltending.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Not grabbing markstrom for that extra year caused this vicious cycle of less than mediocrity in our goaltending.

I do agree that set off the state of our goaltending today but I think Markstrom did the Oilers dirty too though. They had a verbal commitment from him and were waiting on the signed contract to be returned so believing they had him locked up, turned their attention elsewhere.

Then the way Holland made it sound was he found out on TV that Calgary swooped in and signed him to an extra year, which makes it appear Markstrom’s agent didn’t call the Oilers back to see if they’d match.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Gregor sounds pretty confident that Skinner will be back…lol

And that they’ll add a cheap tandem and demote Pickard

Gregor has had his head in the dirt when it comes to Skinner all season.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Gregor has had his head in the dirt when it comes to Skinner all season.

It's because he and Schwartz are tight, it's really pathetic

 

[redgrant]

Well Bowman somewhat embarassed him and admitted he's not an "elite" goaltender. Because those arnt just always available.

They seem to be learning now get rid of that smug goalie coach, Schwartz