Post-Game Talk: Stuart S14inner

[HockeyGuy1964]

The Oilers have been limping to win after win with inconsistent and often shitty play. Barely scoring out there, aside from EN and lucky bounces. Scraping by against the bottom of the league. Some people are acting like we‘re perfect juggernauts because we came out on top. This team has a LOT to work on. The 2016-17 CBJ won more games in a row than this and look where they are now, and what do they have to show for it?

Our best players look injured out there. Other than Skinner. We have let a lot of bad habits creep in. We can’t even be comfortable against CHI they almost beat us last time. NSH and VGK are either going to be a reality check or we’re going to snap out of it and play a real 60 again. Hoping for the latter.

Jesus motherf***ing christ.

Last night you make a post calling out posters for deservedly criticizing Skinner when he was playing absolutely terrible the first month of the season, going so far as to threaten to quote them & throw it in their faces, then post this drivel calling out the entire team for bad play in the midst a 14 game winning streak?

You can't make this sh** up.

 

[bellagiobob]

Can't say I'm surprised that he chose to move the goalposts to the playoffs after he probably realized that he was made to look like a complete idiot.

Hilariously though, he contradicts himself in this stupid rant. "They only beat shitty teams on this run, and ONLY 6 of them were ahead of them in the standings!" What is it? We only play shitty teams or we are beating teams ahead of us? It's an even split, idiot.

"I EXPECT this out of this team so it isn't impressive" after slagging their defence, saying they're a one man show, and a poor defensive team. Which one is it?

"ONLY 17 of the last 53 goals were from depth players!" No f***ing shit. I guarantee that's the case for pretty much any team in the league.

Guy is just a complete putz.

All he had to do was admit that he hadn't watched an Oilers game since Nov, we all would have had a laugh, and it would have been forgotten about.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Think Knoblauch deserves some credit.

The team wasn’t going after 2. Three lines that he tweaked scored goals. Seems like he has a knack for making the right adjustments.

Its about reading the team and game. Columbus were not going to be able to defend McDrai so why not do it in a period where we only needed to score to win? Nuge hasn't been really on for awhile and the first line hasn't been producing much. For at least a period it was time to shake it up. With Perry in I'd like to see a lot more rotation and experiments and the club lean topnine configs which they can now do.

 

[TheNumber4]

We have to acknowledge that while Vegas picked up Adin Hill, they didn't exactly go out and acquire him with the intention of him being their guy. He was like the 4th stringer and only got to see the ice because they got decimated by injuries.

Lol as if Soundwave will acknowledge that. But to your point, them picking up Hill would be akin to us picking up a younger, high potential goalie as well. Someone like Blackwood. You go into playoffs with Skinner + Blackwood allowing you to have the cap space to address all other areas of need and you just hope it turns out. That’s really all the eventual Cup winners do, they pick smart bets and they see what plays out.

 

[TheNumber4]

PK doubling down on his laughable comments. Can’t take the heat from Oiler fans.

Yeh yeh yeh we all know the Cup is the goal. But that still doesn’t excuse his original take that it was all McDavid and that defence was still not there. Any jackass could use the Cup or Bust take and essentially discredit any and all improvements the Oilers have made this year. Good hockey analysis is being able to see and acknowledge what’s happening in the present, while also having certain expectations of the team in the future.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Lol as if Soundwave will acknowledge that. But to your point, them picking up Hill would be akin to us picking up a younger, high potential goalie as well. Someone like Blackwood. You go into playoffs with Skinner + Blackwood allowing you to have the cap space to address all other areas of need and you just hope it turns out. That’s really all the eventual Cup winners do, they pick smart bets and they see what plays out.

What Vegas demonstrated is goalies are voodoo and get hot and cold. Have as many in the stable as you can. That said Adin Hill has many attributes of what I think of as a battle goalie. A guy that stays in plays, uses any method to stop GA etc. Scouts in present day tend to get fixated on form more than who the goalie is, and what the temperament is. One wonders whether guys like Billy Smith even make the league with todays goalie scouting and coaching.

Adin Hill is throwback and represented a southpaw to McDrai and company who couldn't figure him out.

 

[bucks_oil]

Oh people constantly talked as if Weight and Smyth were keeping Hemsky down or something. People always had a weakness for highlight reel goals vs players that just make good cerebral plays like Weight, For all the Hemsky applaud so many of his assists were due to players like Smyth finishing. Something Hemsky wasn't actually good at. Only two times Hemsky even hit 20 goals. That Hemsky would get popped in the gourd so many times was due to his own stubborn willingness to eat punishment.

Check those memory banks a bit...
1) Weight was gone for two years before Hemsky was a rookie. Hemsky's most common center during his tenure was Horcoff.
2) Hemsky had a great shot, among the best on the team... he just wouldn't use it. That's very different than "not being good at it".

Stubborn willingness to eat punishment? What does that even mean? Don't we want guys who play the game hard and don't shy away from taking a check to make a play? How is he responsible for where a guy puts his elbows?

You should read this article on Hemsky if you haven't already... it's really enlightening on what it must be like to be a kid growing up in an NHL spotlight. And it does a really honest job documenting his post concussion issues.

Aleš Hemský : The meaning of life | Stories | Bez frází

Story od Ales Hemsky, former NHL player whose slick hands could deke anybody in the hockey world but series of concussions had ended his career early and led him to depression.

www.bezfrazi.cz

 

[TheNumber4]

What Vegas demonstrated is goalies are voodoo and get hot and cold. Have as many in the stable as you can. That said Adin Hill has many attributes of what I think of as a battle goalie. A guy that stays in plays, uses any method to stop GA etc. Scouts in present day tend to get fixated on form more than who the goalie is, and what the temperament is. One wonders whether guys like Billy Smith even make the league with todays goalie scouting and coaching.

Adin Hill is throwback and represented a southpaw to McDrai and company who couldn't figure him out.

Yup goalies are voodoo. Same thing the Avs found out when their 5M starter Kuemper started shutting the bed and their nobody backup in Francouz came up big.

 

[bucks_oil]

Yeah. Maybe I'm missing some points or story or context but why even bother talking about Hemsky when we have the current superstar players. On the present club Hemsky isn't Nuge level.

People say things Like Hemsky was great if he didn't get injured, if he didn't get maimed could be better with generational superstars. Well, people discredit players like Dough Weight who were much better at assessing ice and Smyth who was much better at finishing. Its just odd that people have fixation to say Hemmer and yet don't even think of Taylor Hall who was a better player in every way.

I don't think I've ever heard an Oiler fan discredit Weight by the way... like ever. Also not sure why it is a competition?

Hemsky would be an IDEAL winger for this team today. Put him with Draisaitl and watch magic happen.

 

[alphahelix]

Jesus motherf***ing christ.

Last night you make a post calling out posters for deservedly criticizing Skinner when he was playing absolutely terrible the first month of the season, going so far as to threaten to quote them & throw it in their faces, then post this drivel calling out the entire team for bad play in the midst a 14 game winning streak?

You can't make this sh** up.

So you think the powerplay is humming right now? You think their top players are playing well? You think theyre stomping bottom 5 teams? Were they not outshot 22-11 after 2 periods? Does a winning streak guarantee something? NJD had 13 last year now theyre out of playoff contention. CBJ had 16 how did that go?

You seem to hold some kind of doublethink where Skinner was somehow largely to blame for the start (he wasnt) while the team is now playing great and largely responsible for the winning (theyre not).

Some teams get the majority of their wins on the back of goaltending. The Oilers are now. You seem to have massive problems with misattributing credit and blame and a total inability to contemplate teams strengths and weaknesses relative to wins and losses.

You seem to disagree with Kris Knoblauch who stated that we wont win many games playing the way we are and we need to play better.

You also seem wildly agitated over simple and well founded criticism on an online hockey forum. Theres a lot going wrong for the Oilers right now and luck and Skinner have them limping to a win streak. Deal with it wangsta.

 

[K1984]

All he had to do was admit that he hadn't watched an Oilers game since Nov, we all would have had a laugh, and it would have been forgotten about.

100% - could have easily qualified it with "haven't watched them a lot lately and it looks like Oilers goals are down, will be interested to see if that continues."

 

[Drivesaitl]

Check those memory banks a bit...
1) Weight was gone for two years before Hemsky was a rookie. Hemsky's most common center during his tenure was Horcoff.
2) Hemsky had a great shot, among the best on the team... he just wouldn't use it. That's very different than "not being good at it".

Stubborn willingness to eat punishment? What does that even mean? Don't we want guys who play the game hard and don't shy away from taking a check to make a play? How is he responsible for where a guy puts his elbows?

You should read this article on Hemsky if you haven't already... it's really enlightening on what it must be like to be a kid growing up in an NHL spotlight. And it does a really honest job documenting his post concussion issues.

Aleš Hemský : The meaning of life | Stories | Bez frází

Story od Ales Hemsky, former NHL player whose slick hands could deke anybody in the hockey world but series of concussions had ended his career early and led him to depression.

www.bezfrazi.cz

I said Hemsky wasn't good at finishing. One reason for that was passing off on using the shot, or trying to make another, or two dekes before taking a shot. Hemsky was a very frustrating player that would often overplay instead of taking what was there. Hemsky would also be too busy trying to deke players to read the ice and what was open. Like Smyth inferred you don't have to play with blinders out there.

As far as shot specifically his career shooting % was 10%.

The thing with Hemsky is he didn't withstand a hit into the boards like say Drai or McD or Hall etc could. He wasn't that strong on his skates. Hemsky would far too often put himself in position for harm being first to puck in situations where he wasn't going to survive hit and thus lose the puck, and be injured instead of just playing it smarter.

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

The last 1/3 of the Oilers schedule is a nightmare.
If they dont trade for a legit 1B goalie there is no way Skinner wont be burned out by the time the playoffs arrive.

This is 100% true.

Doesn't detract from the fact that we've had a relatively favorable schedule up to this point.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I don't think I've ever heard an Oiler fan discredit Weight by the way... like ever. Also not sure why it is a competition?

Hemsky would be an IDEAL winger for this team today. Put him with Draisaitl and watch magic happen.

Weight with Drai I could see. Not much of a Hemmer fan as you can see. But that very much a product of the players here I have been able to see. Like I said Hemsky is a footnote in that.

 

[guymez]

This is 100% true.

Doesn't detract from the fact that we've had a relatively favorable schedule up to this point.

They did for sure but they are about to pay hefty price for that favorable schedule.
I would have rather seen a more balanced schedule in the first half....instead we get 2 extremes.
The 2nd half of the schedule is a recipe for burned out players and a higher potential for injury.
The NHL should be embarrassed for this bush league scheduling.

 

[RegDunlop]

Huge shout out to BRETT KULAK for ending the long string of ineffective pass-it-around pretty play attempts in the O-zone and just shooting the damn puck. Literally the reason it went to 2-1.

Strong game for BK

 

[Da McBomb]

PK doubling down on his laughable comments. Can’t take the heat from Oiler fans.

Wish Mess could just give him one of his notorious elbows on the TV set

 

[Drivesaitl]

Subban picked the Boston Bruins to win the SC last season. They exited first round. I missed as well why he's considered some kind of guru in calling SC winners. Zero Rings is not more knowledgeable on the matter than the players we have. He's been to the cup final once on an off season for most WC squads. Was an atypical appearance, and lost. Makes him no more of an expert than Jason Smith.

 

[VainGretzky]

So you think the powerplay is humming right now? You think their top players are playing well? You think theyre stomping bottom 5 teams? Were they not outshot 22-11 after 2 periods? Does a winning streak guarantee something? NJD had 13 last year now theyre out of playoff contention. CBJ had 16 how did that go?

You seem to hold some kind of doublethink where Skinner was somehow largely to blame for the start (he wasnt) while the team is now playing great and largely responsible for the winning (theyre not).

Some teams get the majority of their wins on the back of goaltending. The Oilers are now. You seem to have massive problems with misattributing credit and blame and a total inability to contemplate teams strengths and weaknesses relative to wins and losses.

You seem to disagree with Kris Knoblauch who stated that we wont win many games playing the way we are and we need to play better.

You also seem wildly agitated over simple and well founded criticism on an online hockey forum. Theres a lot going wrong for the Oilers right now and luck and Skinner have them limping to a win streak. Deal with it wangsta.

Why do I get the feeling if you won the lotto max you would bitch and complain about the gas you're spending driving to the lottery office , they have won 14 in a row and are in a nice playoff position , enjoy life a little

 

[CROTT]

In fairness to Hemsky, I think he'd be a pretty good player in today's game.

This is shameful bullshit that was allowed to go unchecked and even cheered for, clear intent to injure someone with repeated head contact



These would be multiple suspensions today. Blatantly trying to drive an opponent's head into the boards because you're too f***ing slow to defend face up.

Yes Doug Weight was better but I don't really recall anyone saying any differently even circa 2006.

Then there was this Hemmer goal against the Flames, too bad I can't find one with Philips call of "Regehr has doo doo all over his face"

 

[bellagiobob]

They did for sure but they are about to pay hefty price for that favorable schedule.
I would have rather seen a more balanced schedule in the first half....instead we get 2 extremes.
The 2nd half of the schedule is a recipe for burned out players and a higher potential for injury.
The NHL should be embarrassed for this bush league scheduling.

It is brutal, but sadly on the things the league should be embarrassed about, the schedule is about #10.

 

[CornKicker]

Why do I get the feeling if you won the lotto max you would bitch and complain about the gas you're spending driving to the lottery office , they have won 14 in a row and are in a nice playoff position , enjoy life a little

reminds me of this lady i worked with, nicknamed EEor for obvious reasons. a young intern got a puppy and was so excited telling everyone and Eeor says "puppies are all nice and good until it get cancer and dies"

thanks EEor

 

[CycloneSweep]

Subban picked the Boston Bruins to win the SC last season. They exited first round. I missed as well why he's considered some kind of guru in calling SC winners. Zero Rings is more knowledgeable on the matter than the players we have. He's been to the cup final once on an off season for most WC squads. Was an atypical appearance, and lost. Makes him no more of an expert than Jason Smith.

I mean how brave of him picking the Presidents Trophy winner to win the cup. So smart.

 

[gordonhught]

Well, that's it then. Season over.

 

[CROTT]

Oh people constantly talked as if Weight and Smyth were keeping Hemsky down or something. People always had a weakness for highlight reel goals vs players that just make good cerebral plays like Weight, For all the Hemsky applaud so many of his assists were due to players like Smyth finishing. Something Hemsky wasn't actually good at. Only two times Hemsky even hit 20 goals. That Hemsky would get popped in the gourd so many times was due to his own stubborn willingness to eat punishment.

So would you discredit McDavid's playmaking ability if Drasaitl, Hyman, RNH ect couldn't finish the play? Not comparing Hemsky to McDavid just I remember often Hemsky setting up empty nets for players that didn't convert.