Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] Jordan Binnington signs extension with the Blues (6 years, $6M AAV)

[Benighted]

Lmao thats your rib? Nobody likes holtby here

Lol now see this is a reply I like. Some ppl too serious around here.

 

[Love]

Bad contract

 

[Canucks LB]

Lol now see this is a reply I like. Some ppl too serious around here.

I don’t even know what happened

 

[mriswith]

Report: Former Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli to work as consultant for Blues

September 11, 2019, 11:00 AM
Peter Chiarelli appears to have landed another gig in the NHL.

The former Edmonton Oilers general manager will reportedly work as a consultant for the defending Stanley Cup champion St. Louis Blues, according to TVA’s Renaud Lavoie.

Report: Former Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli to work as consultant for Blues - Sportsnet.ca

 

[mouser]

Good contract. Signed to only 33, that's generally when goalies start to fall off.

History tells us Goaltender performance can fall apart at all ages.

 

[Breakers]

No signing bonuses.

interesting.

 

[Vektor]

No signing bonuses.

interesting.

Blues dont sign them. Ask Alex

 

[Louie the Blue]

Horrible contract. He got hot for one run and solved after.

He’s been playing roughly at the same level since April 2019. He started to return to earth before the SC playoffs.

He was fine last season and has been fine this season. He’s getting paid what a starting goalie normally goes for and I’d argue Binnington is at least above the league average as a starter.

Term is a little bit long for my liking but it is what it is and the contract won’t carry Binnington too far into his mid-30’s.

Huh... How do St. Louis fans feel about this? To me this isn't any sort of discount whatsoever, and based on there being a flat cap over the next number of years, it almost seems like not the best contract unless he returns to elite form. I would have thought that teams may have a bit more leverage to offer contracts with less cap hit and term, something in the range of 4 years at 5mil would have been a bit more reasonable.

This sets a bit of a bar for goalie signings next offseason. We need to re-sign Demko, and despite being able to buy a few RFA years at a reduced rate, it seems he may be in the 5mil range if he keeps playing like he is.

The signing is fine as the Blues have no one really ready aside from Husso(and he hasn’t shown much yet) and he’d be better than overpaying a FA.

 

[lawrence]

Good signing. What do you wannabe armchairs think you could have done ? Talk him into a 4 year deal with 4 million or something ? Lol this is not a game, it’s like action talk with a skilled negotiating agent.

contract goes until he’s 33 , big deal probably still a good goalie at that point who knows.

 

[tucker3434]

I can't help but think we've already seen the best of him, and this won't look good pretty quickly. But the money isn't insane.

 

[Breakers]

Blues dont sign them. Ask Alex

learn something new everyday.

Interesting seeing as agents are so GUNG-Ho about Time Value of money.

 

[Brewhouse Sports]

There are a lot of similarities here to Martin Jones when he signed his long term contract. I honestly don't know if anyone can say Binnington is any better than Jones was in 2017 when he signed his current deal.

You know the difference between Jones and Binner?

Binner has a cup and a better team in front of him

 

[Benighted]

Good signing. What do you wannabe armchairs think you could have done ? Talk him into a 4 year deal with 4 million or something ? Lol this is not a game, it’s like action talk with a skilled negotiating agent.act goes until he’s 33 , big deal probably still a good goalie at that point who knows.

Exactly this. Alternate option is let him go, he easily signs this same deal with like 1 out of 20 other teams who give it to him and we sign a worse goalie to save pennies on the dollar. Makes no sense to not lock him up for this standard rate, not to mention the ntc falls off when r window shuts

 

[Benighted]

learn something new everyday.

Interesting seeing as agents are so GUNG-Ho about Time Value of money.

Yeah army just doesn't do them. Organization view point

 

[BrokenFace]

I don't like goalies on contracts over 6 years. 6 million isn't bad, especially as the cap increases.

 

[CraigBillington]

Why so much hate for Billington?
6 million AAV for above average starter who proves he get perform in the playoffs is in the ball park range.
The thing about goalies is that they are voodoo and most don’t have longevity like a Linquist
Six years deal are too long for my liking

People hate me?

 

[Just Linda]

Did you even look at the stats before you made that comment? Of course he's better and had better numbers but not by that much. Guy has one bad series after months off in a highly abnormal set of circumstances and he's figured out? Whatever you say pal!

I didn't have to, I knew them off well enough. Top of my head, he had .3 saves above expected which put him around 25th in the league. His unblocked shot save % was around 30th in the league. His WaR was around 25th in the league. Last year he was a low end starter.

This year has been worse, he's around 35th in saves above expected, below starter quality.

If you want to fact check any of these, go for it. Here's a link. But yeah, nothing I said isn't supported by those numbers. Vasi is top 5 by most metrics, Binnington is 20-30th

NHL Goalie Statistics

 

[Weast]

Goalie contracts are wack. It's so risky signing them longterm because they drop off like a rock, but at the same time they are one of the most important and hardest to find pieces to a team.
This contract is risky, obviously, but honestly the fact that Binnington has proved in the past that he can be a legit top tier goalie makes it worth it imo.

 

[deckercky]

Pretty good breakdown of Binnington's performance (click for a full thread):



I agree with the summary....not the worst contract, but more than I think he should be paid. A solid starter is worth $6M in this market, but Binnington is struggling this season, right at that crossroad where goalies will either prove themselves as longterm legit goalies, or falter as their flaws get figured out. I would be concerned about committing so much cap space for so long. I think 3-4 years at $6M would have been on point.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Low upside, high downside signing.

 

[wintersej]

6x6 is not a short contract but if blues want cup#2 it had to be done. Husso has promise but has shown he's no where close to ready and we got nothing soon after that. Anything in FA will be just as much or worse and binny works for us. It's either this or window slams shut. Good deal for all as far as I'm concerned.

I think this is a fair take. In a vacuum it's not a great deal. But, Blues are in a window!

 

[Benighted]

The real question. What's team Canada's depth chart gonna look like? Have fleury binny and price. Army may show a little bias.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Binnington hasn't been struggling this season lol, we just have a joke of a d core with Petro gone and Parayko out and when he played, he was playing through that back injury. We really aren't a defense first team this season.

 

[SI90]

What a story. Good for him.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Pretty good breakdown of Binnington's performance (click for a full thread):



I agree with the summary....not the worst contract, but more than I think he should be paid. A solid starter is worth $6M in this market, but Binnington is struggling this season, right at that crossroad where goalies will either prove themselves as longterm legit goalies, or falter as their flaws get figured out. I would be concerned about committing so much cap space for so long. I think 3-4 years at $6M would have been on point.

This year is mainly due to the fact the Blues are transitioning to a more offensive backend than a defensive one with Krug coming in, Pietro leaving, and Parayko being injured.