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Raccoon Jesus said:
1. your math is putrid.

2. I'm sure they're now doing what we've talked about all along--gotten a new coach and now it's put up or shut up time. With respect to this season, I don't expect Blake to make trades when guys are at their all-time low values, hence the new coach for evaluation and moves.

I'm with you on that though, I want whoever was whining about getting called out on effort shuttled to the moon, even if it's Doughty.
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I think this is how the math goes.

Sutter: 2015-16
Stevens: 2016-17 and part of 2017-18
Desjardins: maybe the rest of 2017-18
New coach: maybe as soon as sometime this season

That would be 4 coaches in three seasons.
 
I don't get all the Tippett hate here. The guy had a long and distinguished career as a head coach, although the final few years with the Coyotes must have sucked trying to compete with NHL teams with an AHL roster. Won a Jack Adams in 2010.

The one thing I recall with Tippett as an assistant coach was that he was in charge of the Kings power play, and somehow it was always near the top during those years. I always thought he was one that the Kings let get away.

All water under the bridge now. Looks like he'll have a job with the Seattle team, whenever that happens. Good for him.
 
DryIslandBartender said:
We’re firing/relieving three coaches in 3 seasons, and going to add a fourth. That’s not a good thing organizationally as it shows that it is unstable.

I’m not arguing against Willie or the firing of Stevens. My issue is we’re burning through coaches fast because the players are not responding. AEG can’t be happy that they are paying still paying the salaries of Stevens/Sutter and assistant coaches while paying for a new staff.
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I'm not really disagreeing, I'm just saying that's an assumption on the part of Part III and potentially part IV. Sutter got old. Fine; he was 2nd longest tenured coach. Didn't like Stevens apparently and he got canned in relatively short order. I'm sure the players realize anyone who doesn't respond to Desjardins is gonna get shuttled--just like each GM gets one freebie "coach firing" get out of jail free card, apparently so do these whiny players. If Willie gets canned, I don't think it will be because the players 'want it' is all I'm saying, and suggesting pre-emptively that Willie D and "Coach 4" are going to get the same treatment is what I take issue with because it presumes Blake is just following player orders in a rotisserie fashion by giving the players coaches until they're satisfied. I disagree with that assumption.


KINGS17 said:
I think this is how the math goes.

Sutter: 2015-16
Stevens: 2016-17 and part of 2017-18
Desjardin: maybe the rest of 2017-18
New coach: maybe as soon as sometime this season

That would be 4 coaches in three seasons.
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If people want change, they're going to have to accept instability as well.

Sutter part of old guard, hard to fault Blake for that.

Blake starts with Stevens, cans him because it's not working. Everyone agrees that's a good decision. Jury is out on next part, but it's a lot of presumption, and no matter how people feel about Blake, I don't think it's fair to hold Sutter nor something that hasn't come to pass against him.
 
lumbergh said:
I don't get all the Tippett hate here. The guy had a long and distinguished career as a head coach, although the final few years with the Coyotes must have sucked trying to compete with NHL teams with an AHL roster. Won a Jack Adams in 2010.

The one thing I recall with Tippett as an assistant coach was that he was in charge of the Kings power play, and somehow it was always near the top during those years. I always thought he was one that the Kings let get away.

All water under the bridge now. Looks like he'll have a job with the Seattle team, whenever that happens. Good for him.
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I didn't at all like how he melted down in the playoff series nor how he did things in Dallas with a better team. Great at getting results with not much, but got no results with something decent.

I do think he's a good hockey mind and going in blank with a Seattle team is a perfect fit for him.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
If people want change, they're going to have to accept instability as well.

Sutter part of old guard, hard to fault Blake for that.

Blake starts with Stevens, cans him because it's not working. Everyone agrees that's a good decision. Jury is out on next part, but it's a lot of presumption, and no matter how people feel about Blake, I don't think it's fair to hold Sutter nor something that hasn't come to pass against him.
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I don't really care if they get another coach this season, I was just explaining the math.
 
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Also thought this was interesting from Dillman's Athletic article:

"Sturm played 938 NHL games for six NHL teams, including 17 games for the Kings during the 2010-11 season, and retired as a player after playing the 2012-13 season in his native Germany. Sturm is considered a rising star in the coaching fraternity and is currently coaching Germany’s team in the Deutschland Cup, which means it will be a few days before he arrives in Los Angeles to take up his duties.

Many people believe Sturm, 40, has the qualities to be an NHL head coach but that he needed to reintegrate himself after a six-year absence. This will give him an opportunity to familiarize himself with the league and gives the Kings a chance to assess his readiness to potentially become a head coach in the not-too-distant future."

Also interesting that Blake did interview Willie D for an assistant job in 2017 so there's the connection.
 
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Vamos Rafa said:
So what does this "interim" status really mean? Kings still trying to find a real replacement? Are my hopes of getting Vigneault still alive?
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I have a hunch that Vigneault doesn’t want to coach this team and turned down the Kings. I find it very hard to believe that Willie was the first choice to replace Stevens.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Really intrigued by Sturm. He might be the long-term guy.

But also intrigued at what Blake is attempting here, having a rah rah guy in Willie and the technician in Sturm.

Could go up in flames, but points for creativity.
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I remember him getting lots of praise during the Olympic and many felt he'd be a good NHL coach. He now has his foot in the door with the Kings.
 
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Choralone said:
I think Blake will fire Stevens within 3 weeks if things don't turn around - and by turn around I mean that there is some sort of discernible structure, the Kings aren't getting consistently outshot, and the powerplay and penalty kill aren't at the bottom of the league and don't look like ass. I'd rather have Blake get feedback from the new coach on what kind of system he wants to run so if one or more roster players is traded, it will be in sync with that coach's plan. The earlier this is done the more season there is to salvage.

I'm not normally about firing coaches (I think I went down with the Darryl ship, and have been a Terry Murray defender). But this is Colonel Kurtz territory...

Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
Willard: I don't see any method at all, sir.
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Nailed it.

Edit: Err, I thought the quote would be automatically time-stamped.... I posted that in the game thread vs Toronto on October 16th - 19 days before the axe fell. Toot toot!
 
Everybody freaks out about coaches waaay too much. Other than Trotz, since he left right after and Sullivan for just winning 2, every fan base has wanted their Stanley Cup winning coach fired. Hawks want Q fired, Bruins wanted Claude fired, Pens wanted Bylsma fired. Hell Leafs want Babcock fired. But then when they’re fired it’s oh man, new guy sucks, we needed this guy. Tippet, AV, etc were all hated by their fan base.
 
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He, can we have sturm back till the world cup?
even if he performs well in LA, you won't make the playoffs this years, so he should hav time to coach our national team at least 2-3 weeks prior to the World cup and during it.
He is the best we ever had, so it's a big lose for us.
 
Docgonzo said:
Everybody freaks out about coaches waaay too much. Other than Trotz, since he left right after and Sullivan for just winning 2, every fan base has wanted their Stanley Cup winning coach fired. Hawks want Q fired, Bruins wanted Claude fired, Pens wanted Bylsma fired. Hell Leafs want Babcock fired. But then when they’re fired it’s oh man, new guy sucks, we needed this guy. Tippet, AV, etc were all hated by their fan base.
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Cool story bro. :laugh:
 
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Edenjung said:
He, can we have sturm back till the world cup?
even if he performs well in LA, you won't make the playoffs this years, so he should hav time to coach our national team at least 2-3 weeks prior to the World cup and during it.
He is the best we ever had, so it's a big lose for us.
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Thanks, did you get all this from your magic 8 ball,or are you some kind of modern day Nostradamus?:laugh:
 
deaderhead28 said:
Thanks, did you get all this from your magic 8 ball,or are you some kind of modern day Nostradamus?:laugh:
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Yeah my magic 8 ball said that.
maybe you can compete for a playoff sot but that will be really hard. But not impossible.
But if you get into the playoffs and go to the 2 round or 3 round, there is still enough time for sturm to come back and make one last big impact with the german national team in 2019.
We need that, more than the kings.

(PS: I present: bad handwriting, because of not enough sleep)
 
Edenjung said:
Yeah my magic 8 ball said that.
maybe you can compete for a playoff place but that will be really hard. But not impossible.
But if you get into the playoffs and go to the 2 round or 3 round, there is still enough time for sturm to come back and make one last big impact with the german national team in 2019.
We need that, more than the kings.

(PS: I present: bad handwriting, because of not enough sleep)
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Your writing is fine,we'll have to see what the future holds for the Kings season and the German National Team.Good luck with your National German Team tho.
 
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deaderhead28 said:
Your writing is fine,we'll have to see what the future holds for the Kings season and the German National Team.Good luck with your National German Team tho.
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Thanks. We can need that.
Stum has the ability to motivate the best german players to attend the national team.
We need someone, who can do that in the same way.

But i hope for the kings that this is only a seasonal slump and that you can get back up.
even though i am a fan of a division rival (Arizona), competition is always good.
But the Division is awesome so far, 5 teams are fighting for the top 3 spots.

One thing though. Please be nice to him. critize him but don't be to harsh.
he is a nice person but he can be hard.
 
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