Post-Game Talk: Steelcroft: (Not) Far From Home

[TopShelfGloveSide]

He’s got 2 points and is +2 under Woodcroft.

Lol some people will never be happy.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Smith said basically the same thing, he was just more tactful about it (which is surprising because it’s Mike Smith lol).

Is it on the Oilers site. I'll take a look. You're just as inclined as me to look at things certains ways so I'll derive my own opinion. Look, I know Tippett was done. It was time to hang it up. But I'm the same age as the guy, so I kinda feel for him. He's a decent man. Theres worse people still in management in this org.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I dont really get it with Keith either.

On one hand I dont really like the trade. I think there had to be some retention. And I dont like the second year.

But the player is an upgrade for sure over Jones and a third. I am a bit dissapointed with his defensive play without the puck. I think his defensive play might look better in Woodcrofts system as well. Every other dmans defensive game has pretty much improved because the forwards are helping out too.

This is my take as well. Am I glad we have him? Hell yes. Would I be happier if we had him at 3M cap hit instead of his full cap hit but our 2LD spot is far better than it was a year ago.

 

[ZJuice]

Anyone fluffing Tippett still?
We probably should have lost last night (Smith was shit in the 1st), but our D and Smith hung in there and we got some garbage goals.

I really like our d-zone and neutral zone play now. Night and day difference. I don’t cringe as I watch defensive breakdowns in real time as often. Before I was rolling my eyes 30 times per 60 minutes.


f*** you Spector/Holland

 

[ZJuice]

Is it on the Oilers site. I'll take a look. You're just as inclined as me to look at things certains ways so I'll derive my own opinion. Look, I know Tippett was done. It was time to hang it up. But I'm the same age as the guy, so I kinda feel for him. He's a decent man. Theres worse people still in management in this org.

I knew you were biased, ageism (just like Holland )

 

[Drivesaitl]

He’s got 2 points and is +2 under Woodcroft.

He was a worst on team -15 before that. Should I just ignore that. You think two games against poor clubs was very indicative? The Oilers outscored the opposition handily, no thanks to stone hands Foegele. He did get an assist last night which is almost amazing, but also a GA.

TRust me its going to take more time for the player to win back enthusiasm for him being here. Right now its looking like another WTF Hollland contract.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I knew you were biased, ageism (just like Holland )

thanks for the laugh. But not wrong. I mean we all are in some way.

In fairness I'm also the same age as Mess and Gretz. Not all bad you know.

 

[Cloned]

Is it on the Oilers site. I'll take a look. You're just as inclined as me to look at things certains ways so I'll derive my own opinion. Look, I know Tippett was done. It was time to hang it up. But I'm the same age as the guy, so I kinda feel for him. He's a decent man. Theres worse people still in management in this org.

I think you’ve misplaced your loyalty in Tippett. I can understand your empathy for him given your ages, but he was a bad coach this year and there shouldn’t be any need to defend his coaching.

No one has attacked him here for being a bad human being, AFAIK.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

He was a worst on team -15 before that. Should I just ignore that. You think two games against poor clubs was very indicative? The Oilers outscored the opposition handily, no thanks to stone hands Foegele. He did get an assist last night which is almost amazing, but also a GA.

TRust me its going to take more time for the player to win back enthusiasm for him being here. Right now its looking like another WTF Hollland contract.

Lol how is LA a poor club?

 

[McSuper]

This was me too...
I stopped watching after the first goal...just thought we were back to "normal". Came back in the 3rd and it was tied at least. I was surprised as we were being outplayed.
Then bam bam bam and it's a 5-2 win
SHOCKED

I was streaming it to my phone while I was working . La made it 2 to 2 I shut it off thinking another 3rd period blown lead . Came back to check the score to see if they got a point and it was 5 to 2 with seconds left . Amazing !

 

[Drivesaitl]

Lol how is LA a poor club?

They aren't. Foegele had the +2 game against a bad club. The Sharks have been awful in 2022 and are headed straight to golfing. How is that confusing?

 

[Cloned]

He was a worst on team -15 before that. Should I just ignore that. You think two games against poor clubs was very indicative? The Oilers outscored the opposition handily, no thanks to stone hands Foegele. He did get an assist last night which is almost amazing, but also a GA.

TRust me its going to take more time for the player to win back enthusiasm for him being here. Right now its looking like another WTF Hollland contract.

He wasn’t very good under Tippett.

All bets are off now with this roster under a different coach. It’s why Holland needed to do it sooner so he could properly evaluate these players under actual competent coaching. Not saying Foegele is some world beater but my guess is a lot of players will look better under Woodcroft. Barrie and Foegele already do.

I have my frustrations with Foegele too (I call him out in a lot of GDTs) but I can’t deny he’s looked better under Woodcroft.

 

[Old Boys Club]

The thing that always amazes me is that we all watch the same game, at the same time (mostly), with the same exact set of events in said game, and yet so many people here have completely differing opinions. Sometimes I wonder if people are even watching the same Oilers as I am.

 

[McBooya42]

Jesse could have a Selke like future. His contributions run way beyond the scoreboard. He's at least an all zone player who doesn't take any shortcuts in any zone. He's there for the rough ride fighting to be in the crease as well and hard to move out of there. Point shot goals, screens, deflections happen because of Jesse.

He's really starting to shine as a forechecker. That long reach and active stick man...he's still improving too. I think Woody is going to be a big bonus to the kid.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

They aren't. Foegele had the +2 game against a bad club. The Sharks have been awful in 2022 and are headed straight to golfing. How is that confusing?

Lol they are on average club and we worked them. That doesn’t take anything away from foegs having a solid game. How is that confusing?

 

[Drivesaitl]

He wasn’t very good under Tippett.

All bets are off now with this roster under a different coach. It’s why Holland needed to do it sooner so he could properly evaluate these players under actual competent coaching. Not saying Foegele is some world beater but my guess is a lot of players will look better under Woodcroft. Barrie and Foegele already do.

Holland DIDN'T Need to make the change sooner, and in fact it seems right on time. Where we place doesn't matter in the slightest. Just getting in the playoffs is really all that matters and preferably a top 3 spot which still looks doable.

For sure I'll look at how the players improve or regress, and the team. We're riding short sample right now that could just as easily be standard coaching fire bump, which is a common dynamic often lasting a half dozen or more games. We won't know for a month what we got. REally we won't know until playoffs that the team wont revert to bad habits. They've done it countless times before.

 

[Klimando Kostani]

Definitely not too complex. Foegele and Smith have already said that Woodcroft has upped the level of detail.

Im going to exaggerate but when asked the difference between old and new coaches Hyman basically said "new coach said we should play defense, too"

 

[Drivesaitl]

Lol they are on average club and we worked them. That doesn’t take anything away from foegs having a solid game. How is that confusing?

SJ are 22nd in league in win percentage and falling. They are clearly a non playoff club that was mailing in the game. It was the least pushback from a team I'd seen all season. The Sharks flat out don't care. The biggest thing their lol fans had to do was book Kane in between booing their own club. good times..

 

[Cloned]

Holland DIDN'T Need to make the change sooner, and in fact it seems right on time. Where we place doesn't matter in the slightest. Just getting in the playoffs is really all that matters and preferably a top 3 spot which still looks doable.

For sure I'll look at how the players improve or regress, and the team. We're riding short sample right now that could just as easily be standard coaching fire bump, which is a common dynamic often lasting a half dozen or more games. We won't know for a month what we got. REally we won't know until playoffs that the team wont revert to bad habits. They've done it countless times before.

He has given himself less time to properly evaluate the roster before the trade deadline because he waited so long to get a competent coach. That’s my concern.

There is also a difference between coach bump and actual improvements in structural play.

The former is usually related to energy and motor drive, and Gulutzan managed to do that in his short time as temp coach.

The latter is more obvious through watching how the team sets up on breakouts and the neutral zone.

 

[McSuper]

You mean when the poster told me to "go to bed" and I'm the inappropriate one? Come on now.
f*** off was probably a little extreme though and I shouldn't have said it, in retrospect, but it was late and I was getting lambasted with angry responses.

A ridiculous comment that was also shared by a few other posters that committing that the penalty in a tied, tight checking, game late in the 2nd was a bad penalty so yeah, I struggled with being told to "go to bed" just because posters disagreed with me and now you're calling my opinion "ridiculous" just because you disagree with it.

It was a valid opinion. I like Kane showing toughness but that was not the time or place for it IMO. Lemeiux baited him into it and it could have cost the Oilers the game in a game where scoring chances were few and far between.
If Kassian had done that, I bet a bunch of posters would have called him a bonehead etc. because he's on the hated list currently but with Kane being the new guy, perspective is different.

Anyway, lets move on. I have my opinion and you have yours. BTW, you see how I didn't call your opinion "ridiculous". There's a way of having a civil exchange even through disagreement.

This isn't an opinion it a fact . Kane can't get baited in like that . I imagine those fans jumping on you would sing a different tune if it was a playoff game and the Oilers lost because of it . As it stands it never cost the Oilers so it worked out but I am sure Woody will talk to him about it .

 

[Mez]

We’re on vacation in the Caribbean. These late games don’t even start until 11:30.

Sounds rough man, hope you guys are ok staying up late on vacation in the Caribbean...

 

[Drivesaitl]

Im going to exaggerate but when asked the difference between old and new coaches Hyman basically said "new coach said we should play defense, too"

Because this isn't apparent to a vet player getting paid this much money? That he shouldn't have a horrid GA and should get back once in awhile? People are cutting the players the slack. I get it, we have to believe in the players, but I'll tell you that Hyman was EASILY replaced in Toronto and they don't miss his one zone play one iota. WE got jobbed, and we're massively overpaying for a player that doesn't score as much as we'd hoped and that gets outscored even playing with the best player in hockey.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

SJ are 22nd in league in win percentage and falling. They are clearly a non playoff club that was mailing in the game. It was the least pushback from a team I'd seen all season. The Sharks flat out don't care. The biggest thing their lol fans had to do was book Kane in between booing their own club. good times..

Lol sure keeping looking at games whatever way you want to try and support your narrative. Foegs sucks because San Jose didn’t try… lol right.

 

[soothsayer]

The difference in how the defense has held the blueline these last three games from how they simply gave up that space all season long under Tippett is striking. I guess it was Tippett's system after all. Maybe Tippett was telling us something when he called low-danger shots "turnovers." He must have thought that giving up the space under the blue line would encourage the attacker to give up more "turnovers." It would be a smart idea if it weren't so f***ing dumb.

 

[Drivesaitl]

He has given himself less time to properly evaluate the roster before the trade deadline because he waited so long to get a competent coach. That’s my concern.

There is also a difference between coach bump and actual improvements in structural play.

The former is usually related to energy and motor drive, and Gulutzan managed to do that in his short time as temp coach.

The latter is more obvious through watching how the team sets up on breakouts and the neutral zone.

So far. Its all we got. I'm glad your able to believe that this roster that is loaded with indifferent work habits is going to remain committed to regimen. At this moment in time I'm ye of less faith. Even a coach like McLellan had one season results here. Maybe Woodcroft is the best coach we've had in awhile. Its possible.