State of USA Hockey after another disappointing Olympics Part II

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Of course it does. The US played well for the skill level they have. Look at a guy like Pavalski he is behind Marleau and Thornton on the depth chart for the Sharks.

If they want to do better they need generational players like Crosby and Towes.

US hockey team - collection of Scottie Pippens which is still a great team but not as good as a collection of Micheal Jordans.
 
Of course it does. The US played well for the skill level they have. Look at a guy like Pavalski he is behind Marleau and Thornton on the depth chart for the Sharks.

If they want to do better they need generational players like Crosby and Towes.

US hockey team - collection of Scottie Pippens which is still a great team but not as good as a collection of Micheal Jordans.

Joe Pavelski has a unique role on the Sharks. Quit cherry-picking. As for "Towes," calling him a generational player is a huge stretch.
 
Team USA had plenty of talent.....certainly enough to win.

But Kessel, Kane & Team USA saved their worst for last.....Crosby, Toews & Team Canada saved their BEST for last.

You've gotta WANT it.

Pay attention, USA.

Not on defense. Your team winning had almost nothing to do with them wanting it. Your depth is unparalleled. Don't act like Doughty is bad but tries really hard and succeeds. You have all very talented defensemen and players in general. Our 2nd pairing has Brooks Orpik on it. You already won, no need to gloat on every level. These players did want it and if you can't see how depressed their faces were after the game I don't know what to say.
 
I really thought you guy's would do well. It's like you crumbled under pressure or something. Had the skills to go far, but didn't execute.
 
Lost 1-0 to the best collection of talent on the planet....not bad to me.

The U.S. is one of the top 3-4 hockey countries in the world consistently now....surely ahead of Czech Republic + Slovakia at this point.

Of course the U.S. hasn't produced a Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr, Crosby level player but it will happen eventually.

The likes of Kessel and Patrick Kane are among the best offensive players on the planet.
 
USA needs to start by shaking the old Herb Brooks "I'm not looking for the best players..." nonsense. Keith Yandle, Bobby Ryan, Kyle Okposo and Jack Johnson all should have been on that team. Instead, the USA brain trust tried to be too smart for the room, failed, and embarrassed their own players in the process.

There's a time and a place for the "I'm not looking for the best players" approach, but a tournament like the Olympics isn't it. At least not in the modern setting. The team doesn't have months together to train and gel, they have two weeks.

A big part of the problem is that the management and coaching (at least this year) for Team USA doesn't seem to buy into the same philosophy as what's coming up developmentally for the US. Maybe look at some of the top college coaches, they seem to be far more innovative in what they're doing then the outdated thinking of the Bylsma/Burke/Poile crowd. ****, I think even Jim Rutherford would have assembled a better team.

Yes, they obviously were not mentally in the Finland game following a close loss to Canada, and yes they only lost 1-0 to Canada. But watch that Canada game again, Quick's the only reason it was that close, easily could have been 4-0 or 5-0.

I think blaming the GM is a lame move anyway. Aside from one or two players this was the absolute best line-up the team could put on the ice. This is an incredibly hard team to evaluate post-mortem as they started with such promise.

Normally I'm right with you, but I have to disagree on this in a big way. It wasn't just one or two players, there were at least 4 players that should have been there who were denied the chance because of the US's thinking.

Who shouldn't have been:
Brown
Wheeler
Pacioretty
Orpik

replace them with:
Ryan
Saad
Pominville
Yandle

that's a much deeper offensive team and IMO a more competitive team in these Olympics as a result.

Not on defense. Your team winning had almost nothing to do with them wanting it. Your depth is unparalleled. Don't act like Doughty is bad but tries really hard and succeeds. You have all very talented defensemen and players in general. Our 2nd pairing has Brooks Orpik on it. You already won, no need to gloat on every level. These players did want it and if you can't see how depressed their faces were after the game I don't know what to say.

Orpik shouldn't have even made the team, and certainly shouldn't have been getting anywhere close to the ice time he was getting. There was better then an entire Olympic blueline worth of flat out better players left at home in favor of Orpik, and 4 more guys that actually did make the team that got the shaft in terms of playing time in favor of Orpik. But Bylsma gonna Bylsma.
 
I really thought you guy's would do well. It's like you crumbled under pressure or something. Had the skills to go far, but didn't execute.

That's coaching with a better plan. Babcock smoked Bylsma. Laviolette is much better in-game coach.

Let Bowman and Lombardi have complete control of the next selection. I don't want to see Burke or Shero anywhere near the next selection committee.
 
Come on guys the us did good for the skill level they have. Do you guys honestly think pominville or Ryan would have made a difference?

End of the day team USA needs to develop some Crosby taveres and stamkos if it ever wants to beat Canada.

USA is still a really good team but it's like we all said from the start. A canadian b team with giroux Thornton stamkos subban Tavares would all be first liners for the us.
 
As I reiterated before, I am not as heartbroken about us losing because I think origionaly our expectations were WAY WAY WAY too high, and just think about it. Our WJC team won gold 2 years ago and we actually have a pretty good group of players coming up through the ranks. Pair that with the fact that Bylsma will never touch this team again and whoever the new gm will be will be sure to include guys who deserve to play, and I think we will be fine.
 
FFS, when will people realize that Burke is NOT the GM of USA Hockey??? Burke spoke his mind not knowing it was going to end up in public, in the end it was Poile and the other members of the group who made the call on Ryan.

The only amateur people were the journalist and the USA Hockey PR-people, for different reasons.

It's amazing how some bitter people put blame for lack of success on Burke when he was the GM of USA Hockey in Vancouver when USA played much better.

Incredible really.

He might as well be GM with the strange amount of power he has in the room

Lost 1-0 to the best collection of talent on the planet....not bad to me.

The U.S. is one of the top 3-4 hockey countries in the world consistently now....surely ahead of Czech Republic + Slovakia at this point.

Of course the U.S. hasn't produced a Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr, Crosby level player but it will happen eventually.

The likes of Kessel and Patrick Kane are among the best offensive players on the planet.

The game wasn't even that close. We couldn't complete a simple pass.
 
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They lost in the semis to a clearly superior team, Team Canada. Its not like Turin - last time on big ice - when both NA teams were left on quarter finals.

Id say some ppl here are overreacting on this. Can they contend with Canada in best-on-best tourney? Sure, on a good day. This time just some unfortunate player choices and pisspoor effort in the bronze medal game. Maybe they lacked leadership and coach who could get their guys fired up for the bronze, but who cares.
 
They should probably drop the spelling test requirement to be on the team.

There are lots of people I know who couldn't spell INTENSE
 
If Shero, Bylsma and Poile are truly the top hockey minds in the USA, we might as well not go to South Korea. These 3 are the definition of incompetent.
 
I actually can see us fans are all ready expecting the world based on the us juniors team performance the last few years.

Another huge let down unless they honestly retrospect and develop some mcdavids of their ownm
 
If Shero, Bylsma and Poile are truly the top hockey minds in the USA, we might as well not go to South Korea. These 3 are the definition of incompetent.

Why not hire a Canadian management team? Say like a ted Nolan?
 
Of course it does. The US played well for the skill level they have. Look at a guy like Pavalski he is behind Marleau and Thornton on the depth chart for the Sharks.

If they want to do better they need generational players like Crosby and Towes.

US hockey team - collection of Scottie Pippens which is still a great team but not as good as a collection of Micheal Jordans.

More like collection of Horace Grants.

Did you see our blueline?
 
If Shero, Bylsma and Poile are truly the top hockey minds in the USA, we might as well not go to South Korea. These 3 are the definition of incompetent.
So, Burkie is the only one who knew what he was doing?? Scary thought...

Anyhow, alot of drama when you don't medal, but team US still played well, and no need to panic...there is alot of very talented players coming out of the US.
 
Has anyone ever seen Patrick Kane and Anakin Skywalker in a room together at the same time?
 
As I reiterated before, I am not as heartbroken about us losing because I think origionaly our expectations were WAY WAY WAY too high, and just think about it. Our WJC team won gold 2 years ago and we actually have a pretty good group of players coming up through the ranks. Pair that with the fact that Bylsma will never touch this team again and whoever the new gm will be will be sure to include guys who deserve to play, and I think we will be fine.

WJC is not a great indicator of the best a country can produce. Many of the great prospects are not released by their NHL teams to participate in the tournament. Most of the prospects who jump into the NHL right away happen to be Canadian as well.

In an Olympic tournament, any of the 5 major countries can win it.

Prob more like:
Canada 30%
USA 20%
Sweden 20%
Finland 20%
Russia 10%
 
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