State of the Kings

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How are you feeling about the Kings today?


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State of the kings can be summed up in one word:

f***ed.
This season is f***ed. Need at least 2 major transactions (LD and goalie with corresponding salary going the other way) to surgically repair the roster that wont happen easily. But the overall roster and pipeline has enough value to turn this into a contender in a couple years if it isnt wasted on desperation quick fixes that wont work. I would highly suggest to be sellers at the deadline to set things up for next year and after.. sorry but Arvy and Iafallo are at top of my list... ive already written goodbye letters to Walker and Durzi. I also asked Santa for DD -> Toronto but he told me f*** off.
 
Yeah, I'm sure that forward group won't be bullied and will show great resiliency!

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Unless we trade for some folks, what do you suggest?
 
Unless we trade for some folks, what do you suggest?
Mhm in terms of affordable that'll have an impact of sorts?...

Move Lias Andersson to Ottawa for Scott Sabourin. I want someone hungry and that will show up to play every night. Scotty is currently on pace forrr... 🤯

476 PIMS this season.
 
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I choose fire everybody just for the fun of it. That would include all coaches and all front office personnel (I would like to include Anschutz if I could). It's time to find out what they have in the farm system call up Byfield , Turcotte, Fagemo, Spence, Bjornfot and Clarke. Put them in the line up every night its time sh*t or get off the pot. Trade cut remove from the roster Iafallo ,Arvidsson, Lizotte, Roy , Walker, and Edler. Retain half on Kopitar at the trade dead line for anyone willing. After the season cut ties with Quick and Peterson. If anyone wants Doughty let them have him but he has too many years left to retain on him.
The only thing you give up is a possible 1st round playoff elemination and more years of frustration.
 
I choose fire everybody just for the fun of it. That would include all coaches and all front office personnel (I would like to include Anschutz if I could). It's time to find out what they have in the farm system call up Byfield , Turcotte, Fagemo, Spence, Bjornfot and Clarke. Put them in the line up every night its time sh*t or get off the pot. Trade cut remove from the roster Iafallo ,Arvidsson, Lizotte, Roy , Walker, and Edler. Retain half on Kopitar at the trade dead line for anyone willing. After the season cut ties with Quick and Peterson. If anyone wants Doughty let them have him but he has too many years left to retain on him.
The only thing you give up is a possible 1st round playoff elemination and more years of frustration.
That’s a lot to do when you’ve fired everyone who would do it, lol. The players going to trade themselves?

I love all the video game transactions in a time like this….just hit the ‘x’ button and away we go!
 
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A major problem is the Kings just yelled fire and the teams with fire extinguishers just agreed on a big raise in prices. Blake is going to have to maneuver internally until the buyers and sellers shake out closer to the deadline to not get burned in any transactions.
 
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That’s a lot to do when you’ve fired everyone who would do it, lol. The players going to trade themselves?

I love all the video game transactions in a time like this….just hit the ‘x’ button and away we go!
They could hire me. I don't think it would be that hard to dump most of the players when your not looking for much of a return. The players I listed won't likely be around anyway if the Kings get good. But it time to find out what they really have as far as prospects.
 
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A major problem is the Kings just yelled fire and the teams with fire Pejorative Slurant just agreed on a big raise in prices. Blake is going to have to maneuver internally until the buyers and sellers shake out closer to the deadline to not get burned in any transactions.
"fire Pejorative Slurant" hahaha

i f***in hate this forum sometimes
 
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A major problem is the Kings just yelled fire and the teams with fire Pejorative Slurant just agreed on a big raise in prices. Blake is going to have to maneuver internally until the buyers and sellers shake out closer to the deadline to not get burned in any transactions.
I suspect he didn’t/doesn’t have the needed options on the table anyway… but who knows 🤷‍♂️
 
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Rob Blake’s fault. He drafted centers and small right handed D. There are no big LHD, which is what they need.

There is no future Alex Edler or Willie Mitchell or Matt Greene.

There is no grit or character. There are no Jordan Nolan, Wayne Simmonds or Brendan Lemieux players in the system.

There is no future goaltending. There is no Jones, Quick or Campbell.

Lombardi drafted from the backend out and went after scoring. The Kings had an identity.

They have no identity.
 
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Rob Blake’s fault. He drafted centers and small right handed D. There are no big LHD, which is what they need.

There is no future Alex Edler or Willie Mitchell or Matt Greene.

There is no grit or character. There are no Jordan Nolan, Wayne Simmonds or Brendan Lemieux players in the system.

There is no future goaltending. There is no Jones, Quick or Campbell.

Lombardi drafted from the backend out and went after scoring. The Kings had an identity.

They have no identity.
I have no issue with the actual drafting as BPA should always be the play BUT it’s what you then do. Pieces need to be moved around the board and how that has/hasn’t happened is where the debate should be.

In terms of character two of the key pieces in Turcotte and Thomas have had injury issues. Danault definitely brought some character but I agree there’s some sandpaper missing. The closest we have is Hellenius and he has a way to go yet.

I’m much more concerned at the goaltending pool.
 
So many of you are out with pitchforks after the team gave up 9 goals in a game, and I get that, but it's one game. It's always the same arguments, fire the coach/GM, trade the vets, play the kids.

Looking at the season as a whole, the Kings are currently 7th in the conference in point percentage, which puts them squarely in playoff position and contention. They're 7th in the league in goals. 7th in the league in power play goals. Several young players are contributing, with Vilardi and Kaliyev being the breakout stars this season.

On the minus side, the Kings are giving up a lot of goals. A LOT. 3rd worst in the league in goals against.

From reading this board for years, it's apparent that many of you think Blake has no idea what he's doing. Rebuilding, but only half way, messing up development, etc. I'm just gonna put this out there, but I think this season is the culmination of years of planning by Blake. It's obvious this is not the same Kings team from 5 years ago. The overall philosophy is completely different. I think Blake saw the changes happening in the league and moved to transform the team for the new NHL. What you have is a high skill team playing a much more entertaining, but riskier, brand of hockey than in years past. No lead is safe with this team, no matter which team is in the lead. Play fast, more risk, more scoring. I'm here for it.

The plan has a major flaw. Blake hoped he could transition to this new brand of hockey but keep the goals against down. The problem is that goaltending has been abysmal all season. We can pick on Petersen, and he deserves it, but Quick has also been bad. Petersen has been especially poor for penalty kills. The Kings are tied for 2nd worst in the league in goal differential on penalty kills. The cliché "your goaltender is your most important penalty killer" is true, and it's showing. In addition, the Kings weird penalty kill system is not working. Opponents are finding weaknesses in this 1-1-2 setup and exploiting it.

These are isolated issues that can be fixed. Blake has taken the first step of putting Petersen on waivers. It's obvious there's no confidence in Cal, but Quick is not the answer either. It's hard to find a good goalie at any time, even harder 25 games in. Your options are primarily career back ups that you hope can catch fire. No one is going to trade the Kings a #1 goaltender, especially this far from the trade deadline. Blake is going to have to earn his paycheck with this issue.

The other issue is the risky plays and giveaways. It's like everyone wants to play like Sean Durzi now. Cross ice passes or right through the middle on breakouts, turning the puck over in the neutral zone, outnumbered attacks, or getting overpowered in your own zone. It's pretty loose out there. This is harder to fix now that the Kings are a third of the way into the season. This is where Todd McLellan has to earn his paycheck. Trying to convince Vilardi or Durzi to make safer plays is just not an overnight process. Durzi, Lizotte, Kupari, and Walker are not going to get stronger on the puck overnight.

I don't blame anyone for some righteous anger about the last game. I just think this is what the Kings are by design.
 
So many of you are out with pitchforks after the team gave up 9 goals in a game, and I get that, but it's one game. It's always the same arguments, fire the coach/GM, trade the vets, play the kids.

Looking at the season as a whole, the Kings are currently 7th in the conference in point percentage, which puts them squarely in playoff position and contention. They're 7th in the league in goals. 7th in the league in power play goals. Several young players are contributing, with Vilardi and Kaliyev being the breakout stars this season.

On the minus side, the Kings are giving up a lot of goals. A LOT. 3rd worst in the league in goals against.

From reading this board for years, it's apparent that many of you think Blake has no idea what he's doing. Rebuilding, but only half way, messing up development, etc. I'm just gonna put this out there, but I think this season is the culmination of years of planning by Blake. It's obvious this is not the same Kings team from 5 years ago. The overall philosophy is completely different. I think Blake saw the changes happening in the league and moved to transform the team for the new NHL. What you have is a high skill team playing a much more entertaining, but riskier, brand of hockey than in years past. No lead is safe with this team, no matter which team is in the lead. Play fast, more risk, more scoring. I'm here for it.

The plan has a major flaw. Blake hoped he could transition to this new brand of hockey but keep the goals against down. The problem is that goaltending has been abysmal all season. We can pick on Petersen, and he deserves it, but Quick has also been bad. Petersen has been especially poor for penalty kills. The Kings are tied for 2nd worst in the league in goal differential on penalty kills. The cliché "your goaltender is your most important penalty killer" is true, and it's showing. In addition, the Kings weird penalty kill system is not working. Opponents are finding weaknesses in this 1-1-2 setup and exploiting it.

These are isolated issues that can be fixed. Blake has taken the first step of putting Petersen on waivers. It's obvious there's no confidence in Cal, but Quick is not the answer either. It's hard to find a good goalie at any time, even harder 25 games in. Your options are primarily career back ups that you hope can catch fire. No one is going to trade the Kings a #1 goaltender, especially this far from the trade deadline. Blake is going to have to earn his paycheck with this issue.

The other issue is the risky plays and giveaways. It's like everyone wants to play like Sean Durzi now. Cross ice passes or right through the middle on breakouts, turning the puck over in the neutral zone, outnumbered attacks, or getting overpowered in your own zone. It's pretty loose out there. This is harder to fix now that the Kings are a third of the way into the season. This is where Todd McLellan has to earn his paycheck. Trying to convince Vilardi or Durzi to make safer plays is just not an overnight process. Durzi, Lizotte, Kupari, and Walker are not going to get stronger on the puck overnight.

I don't blame anyone for some righteous anger about the last game. I just think this is what the Kings are by design.

I don't really disagree with you but you point out the error in your own judgment in the very first sentence.

Are people freaking out about the other night, or is this the culmination of everything we've been talking about? You can't have it both ways.

The thing is, expectations are higher now. The Kings are currently in a spot, but also currently in freefall. They need to right the ship. They've been passed in the standings by a well-organized Seattle team, which is why it's frustrating--credit to Seattle, but also the Kings are basically the complete opposite, shotgunning themselves in the dicks night after night in which they often look like the superior team for 90% of the games, they're handing out points like halloween candy when we all know there's much more to give.
 
I agree with RJ. I do think its a culmination of the first quarter of the season.

There have been a lot of ridiculously risky plays that trap Kings player deep while the puck goes the other way. I watched a documentary about the Redwings and Avs the other day. The Redwings talked about a rule where Bowman always wanted the puck deep and to not be turned over at the attacking blue line. Its jumped out at me ever since that the Kings have an issue with it this year. Even Danualt has done this more than once.

The Oilers over took LA in the standings late last year with games in hand. Teams are figuring it out and even a wildcard spot is gonna be a dog fight.

Good thing is, I guess, that it has reached a head and measures are starting to happen.
 
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