OT: Star Wars: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread (SPOILERS!!!!)

[Flyrs21]

And the little slave boy at the end having force powers. Are slaves and orphans the only people in the galaxy that have force powers???? Lol

 

[Rebels57]

And the little slave boy at the end having force powers. Are slaves and orphans the only people in the galaxy that have force powers???? Lol

Kylo, Vader, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Maul, Sidious, and Yoda all don't fit the slave/orphan mold.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Maybe force projecting leads to death and that's why we've never seen it before.

The more I've been thinking about the movie the more i think it was a big pile of dog poop. Finn and Poes storylines were pointless....Finn really didn't do anything and Poe was basically told he was an idiot by Leia and whoever took over for her but at the end it looks like he's going to take over as general of the resistance... Maybe it was a learning lesson for him. I enjoyed anything with Rey in it.

The Hoth type battle, instead of snow it was salt and Jedi throne room scene being rehashed bugged me a little. I'll be seeing it again with a buddy so maybe my opinion will change.

I don't have a problem with any of that. I disagree that Finn and Poes storylines were pointless. Finn was trying to stop the tracking ability in time for the ship to make the jump to ludicrous speed. It ultimately didn't matter but it set up the involvement in the story with Rose who will presumably be in the next one assuming she survives. I know a lot of people didn't like that storyline but I think it served a purpose. The whole movie itself seemed a little drawn out and could have been done quicker but I still really liked it.

Perhaps I'm just a sucker for anything Star Wars. I just bought my son two Star Wars books (ABC 3PO and Obi 1-2-3) and I am convinced they are the greatest pieces of literature ever.

 

[Phileeguy]

Kylo, Vader, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Maul, Sidious, and Yoda all don't fit the slave/orphan mold.

All? No. However, Vader/Anakin certainly does.

 

[Protest]

I don't have a problem with any of that. I disagree that Finn and Poes storylines were pointless. Finn was trying to stop the tracking ability in time for the ship to make the jump to ludicrous speed. It ultimately didn't matter but it set up the involvement in the story with Rose who will presumably be in the next one assuming she survives. I know a lot of people didn't like that storyline but I think it served a purpose. The whole movie itself seemed a little drawn out and could have been done quicker but I still really liked it.

Perhaps I'm just a sucker for anything Star Wars. I just bought my son two Star Wars books (ABC 3PO and Obi 1-2-3) and I am convinced they are the greatest pieces of literature ever.

The Fin/New girl story was a good idea done way too over the top and drawn out. They should have just had the two of them board the ship somehow and get caught. Get to the same place without the whole divergence to another world, with CGI horse things.

 

[Rebels57]

The Fin/New girl story was a good idea done way too over the top and drawn out. They should have just had the two of them board the ship somehow and get caught. Get to the same place without the whole divergence to another world, with CGI horse things.

I agree. That is really the only part of the movie that felt out of place and I could have done without. I get that they wanted to introduce the child Jedi but they didnt need to go to those lengths to do so.

 

[Flyrs21]

Kylo, Vader, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Maul, Sidious, and Yoda all don't fit the slave/orphan mold.

Luke - orphan found in the desert
Rey- orphan found in the desert
Vader/Anakin- slave found in the desert
Little boy - slave
Maul- father killed. Would have been a slave to the Nightsisters if he wasn't given to Palpatine
Palpatine - orphan. Granted he killed his parents and family
Yoda- 900 years old so who knows

I don't have a problem with any of that. I disagree that Finn and Poes storylines were pointless. Finn was trying to stop the tracking ability in time for the ship to make the jump to ludicrous speed. It ultimately didn't matter

There ya go.... Pointless

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

There were 37 minutes of commercials before this. 37 ****ING MINUTES! Can you believe that ****?

I have to let the movie gestate for a while. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm happy that I don't have to worry about spoilers anymore.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

The Fin/New girl story was a good idea done way too over the top and drawn out. They should have just had the two of them board the ship somehow and get caught. Get to the same place without the whole divergence to another world, with CGI horse things.

The dragging out part could be said pretty much about the entire movie. That was my only real qualm with it is the whole movie probably could have been 30-40 minutes shorter and still be great. I think that whole story line was used to set up the next movie with the kid at the end using the force.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

There ya go.... Pointless

Haha, well it was pointless in that they didn't alter the outcome but does everything in a movie have to directly impact the end result of something? There can be sub-plots and side stories that are meaningful or entertaining but don't change the outcome of the movie.

 

[Rebels57]

I do find it funny that the biggest complaint about Episode VII was that it was too formulaic and similar to Episode IV, and now the biggest complaint about Episode VIII is regarding the unconvential non-formulaic choices it made.

 

[The Rage Kage]

Well... that was... interesting. Cant believe Rian Johnson gets his own trilogy

 

[The Rage Kage]

I do find it funny that the biggest complaint about Episode VII was that it was too formulaic and similar to Episode IV, and now the biggest complaint about Episode VIII is regarding the unconvential non-formulaic choices it made.

It managed to toe the line between being out there and being safe while failing on both counts.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

It managed to toe the line between being out there and being safe while failing on both counts.

My initial reaction would agree with yours, I think, but I want to see it on the small screen before I decide how I feel about it. I know that is utterly backwards, but I am just so used to watching things on my TV now.

 

[The Rage Kage]

I will say I thought Yoda was handled very well, and Lukes end was decent. I loved that Snoke waa killed quickly, although how powerful could he be if he can't sense the force being used beside him.

 

[The Rage Kage]

My friends and I may have ruined the experience for some people... I tried to be respectful but some parts were just too unintentionally funny, Rose "dying" was up there with Talia in The Dark Knight Rises and Shmi in Attack of the clones level bad acting. And her saying they need to save what they love while stopping Finn from saving the resistance (with the door blowing up in the background) was too much, I burst out laughing

Maybe I'm just too cynical/nitpicky. At least it was an enjoyable bad movie. Probably get more entertainment afterwards than I would if it was good by tearing it apart with my friends.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

My friends and I may have ruined the experience for some people... I tried to be respectful but some parts were just too unintentionally funny, Rose "dying" was up there with Talia in The Dark Knight Rises and Shmi in Attack of the clones level bad acting. And her saying they need to save what they love while stopping Finn from saving the resistance (with the door blowing up in the background) was too much, I burst out laughing

Maybe I'm just too cynical/nitpicky. At least it was an enjoyable bad movie. Probably get more entertainment afterwards than I would if it was good by tearing it apart with my friends.

It definitely was eye rolling and cringey at many parts. And the intended humor fell flat every time

 

[royals119]

I loved that Snoke waa killed quickly, although how powerful could he be if he can't sense the force being used beside him.

I think you missed the point - he was sensing, and even saying out loud, everything that Kylo was doing, except Kylo had tricked him into thinking he was doing it to Rey, when he was actually doing it to Snoke. Kylo had been working for years to gain Snoke's trust and to learn from him, but I think he had been planning to double cross him all along. Killing Han was just part of his plan to gain Snoke's trust and make enough of a mental/emotional break with his past so he could hide his true intentions. Sort of like the undercover cop who has to break the law to get in with the mob, except on a whole other level since mobsters can't read your mind.

I stood in line as a kid with my parents to see the first two movies, and went with my buddies in high school for Return of the Jedi, so I grew up with these movies, and I thought this one was great. Looking forward to going to see it again. My only real complaint about these last couple movies is they seem to be made with the video game in mind. The scene in the throne room with Snoke's guards just felt like a video game level, and the same with the attack on the castle in The Force Awakens.

 

[Rebels57]

I think you missed the point - he was sensing, and even saying out loud, everything that Kylo was doing, except Kylo had tricked him into thinking he was doing it to Rey, when he was actually doing it to Snoke. Kylo had been working for years to gain Snoke's trust and to learn from him, but I think he had been planning to double cross him all along. Killing Han was just part of his plan to gain Snoke's trust and make enough of a mental/emotional break with his past so he could hide his true intentions. Sort of like the undercover cop who has to break the law to get in with the mob, except on a whole other level since mobsters can't read your mind.

I stood in line as a kid with my parents to see the first two movies, and went with my buddies in high school for Return of the Jedi, so I grew up with these movies, and I thought this one was great. Looking forward to going to see it again. My only real complaint about these last couple movies is they seem to be made with the video game in mind. The scene in the throne room with Snoke's guards just felt like a video game level, and the same with the attack on the castle in The Force Awakens.

That fight scene in the throne room is arguably the best fight scene of the entire series so if that is video game inspired, hopefully there are more video game inspired sequences lol

 

[The Rage Kage]

I think you missed the point - he was sensing, and even saying out loud, everything that Kylo was doing, except Kylo had tricked him into thinking he was doing it to Rey, when he was actually doing it to Snoke. Kylo had been working for years to gain Snoke's trust and to learn from him, but I think he had been planning to double cross him all along. Killing Han was just part of his plan to gain Snoke's trust and make enough of a mental/emotional break with his past so he could hide his true intentions. Sort of like the undercover cop who has to break the law to get in with the mob, except on a whole other level since mobsters can't read your mind.

I stood in line as a kid with my parents to see the first two movies, and went with my buddies in high school for Return of the Jedi, so I grew up with these movies, and I thought this one was great. Looking forward to going to see it again. My only real complaint about these last couple movies is they seem to be made with the video game in mind. The scene in the throne room with Snoke's guards just felt like a video game level, and the same with the attack on the castle in The Force Awakens.

I get that, it was pretty obvious, but Snoke has played Kylo at every turn, hes supposed to be this all powerful dark side user who connected Kylo and Rey's minds and can access Kylo's every thought. Kylo has shown no ability to conceal his true intentions, and yes that is what he did, just because Snoke narrating Kylo's surface level thoughts of turning his blade on his true enemy and his aim is true that is so vague the fact he could not see it coming hurts the scene. Ignoring all that with what i originally said, kylo is using the force to move a lightsaber right beside snoke. Any force user worth his salt should have noticed that.

 

[TCTC]

My initial reaction was that it wasn't that bad, but the more I think about it the more I dislike it.

The amount of plot holes is infuriating and it was extremely obvious that TLJ and TFA had different directors with different ideas. It's like half the things that happened in TFA and most of the teases that were made don't even matter.

I'm really curious how JJ wants to fix this mess because I don't think that's the Episode VIII he had in mind when he made Episode VII.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

I feel pretty bad saying this, but Carrie Fisher is pretty terrible in both TFA and TLJ. I just cringed every time she's on the screen

 

[The Rage Kage]

I feel pretty bad saying this, but Carrie Fisher is pretty terrible in both TFA and TLJ. I just cringed every time she's on the screen

Its her voice for me. She lived hard when she was young and the years werent kind.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Alright, finally saw it: I thought it was great.

I'm failing to see the big problems with it people are saying.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I mean Luke did project himself but he didn't actually do much besides distract the First Order letting the Resistance get away.

If you notice, his lightsaber never made contact with Ren's. So really he was just there as a distraction and he did everything he could to make sure that Ren didn't actually make contact with him and the jig would be up.

And he was also using a lightsaber that Kylo/Rey had just torn apart like 10 minutes earlier in the movie. Surprised Kylo Ren didn't notice that