Online Series: Star Wars: The Acolyte on Disney+

StreetHawk

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Well that would have potentially been quality.

I'm team Smylo Ren, who is definitely the Qimir (wont be surprised if it is mother witch, but surely it's Qimir).

I don't give a shit about the gender or sexual orientation of my star wars characters (who, aside from Ani & Mundi are celibate anyway). It does seem to be becoming over the top to piss off traditional neckbeard fans, but whatever.

However, I do care about storytelling, acting, dialogue, and consistency in motivations. In these areas, the Acolyte fails completely. In a group of 10k Jedi, one said 'the Sith have been extinct for a Millennium'. Guess who gets a cameo in a show (before his alleged birth) with a Dark Jedi/Seth.
I've been bored by a few Star Wars shows, but I'm a major SW nerd, so I'm always game for more content, no matter how mediocre. Acolyte will put that to the test.
I agree. I’m not that bothered by the pronoun stuff. Just don’t see the need for it plus personally, hate the use of “they” for 1 person. Confusing.

I do hope that they don’t make this villain too powerful. I mean I get that this is a period in time where the Jedi had peace thus maybe they didn’t take their combat training as seriously. But there’s like 7 Jedi or something with Sol.

The 3 Jedi deaths, first one she was defending an innocent and lost focus on her opponent. Second was suicide for whatever occurred 16 years ago. And we see that the Wookie falls to that person in black. Likely caught off guard but sad that the Wookiee didn’t sense danger.
 

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For all the crap I give Marvel, at least they understood they had to slowly ramp things up until they could handle juggling a bunch of different projects at once. They managed to make predicable and safe, but decent enough stuff for quite a while even when they were pumping stuff out like crazy.

Others like Disney and DC saw the money they were making and jumped right in. No real plans other than having lots of "content", no one in charge with a vision with what they were building towards. Put your focus into one thing, make it good, then move on to the next project.

Spitting out "content" as fast as possible only so that you have something to keep people subscribed to your streaming service does not seem sustainable. Brands like Star Wars have value, but the more you neglect them the more that value will diminish.

It's a shame because there is clearly still some potential in Star Wars. Andor and the first season of the The Mandalorian were really well done. Someone involved in the making of those really cared.

The only thing that is working for this show right now is the outrage about having women and minorities in it. The show is receiving way more attention than something of it's quality deserves. When that happens there will be people who go the other way with it. They'll dig in, grit their teeth and tell themselves they're enjoying it to support their side of the conversation around it (see Lady Ballers for an opposite example).
All 3 had templates to follow—years of comics, novels etc. Due to time constraints, you can only do so much story telling on film. For the most part I've always been ok with changing a secondary character around if the actor fits the role. Marvels storytelling is barely following the comics timeline. DC is lost they can't seem to do anything right. Star Wars has lost it's way. Lucas said in a recent interview he felt Disney had gotten away from his vision of Star Wars, but that was to be expected when he sold out to the House of Mouse. We as fans can follow along or pick an endpoint for which those universes ended for us.
 

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Just watched the latest episode.

It is just so boring. None of the characters are interesting to me. The plot, while fairly simple, is not engaging. The actors are mostly super wooden.

It is just not a fun watch.

Yuppp. I don't know why I should be invested in really anyone right now. Master Sol is the only one I care for, but he's kind of a total dolt at the same time. Changes his mind quickly it seems, doesn't pick up on enough.

Still can't believe they want me to buy that Mae, whom we believe has dedicated her life to killing Jedi now and being super evil, up and drops that mission like it was *nothing*...oh and Smylo Ren (which is a hilarious nickname) appearing at the end...WHY DID YOU STOP THE EPISODE AT THE BEGINNING OF A BATTLE.

What a silly, silly show
 

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I finally watched the fourth episode. The writing continues to be so weak. Character motivations and decisions, especially, are unclear and nonsensical.

Mae suddenly thinks that her task is impossible because Jedi don't attack the unarmed, even though she was adamant that they do in the opening scene of the first episode. She's also hung up on that point when she just made a Jedi kill himself (who knows why that didn't count as an unarmed kill) and nothing's stopping her from being the one to do the attacking. Her master didn't say that the kill needed to be honorable or in self defense. That doesn't seem to occur to her, though, nor does going back and asking her master for clarification or hints on how to pull it off. She just gives up, instead, and decides to surrender to the person that she was determined to kill just a few minutes earlier. It always seemed likely that we were going to get yet another redemption arc, but for her to just give up being bad in the middle of the series, and with no motivation other than "this is too haaard," is really unbelievable.

Osha isn't any better. She wanted to be a Jedi enough to walk away from her family, but then eventually quit her training, perhaps because her past haunted her. Now, she learns that her twin sister is actually still alive and must be stopped, but instead of wanting answers and to help bring her in alive, she tries to give Sol the slip, skip town and go back to her mechnek life. When Sol stops her, she thinks that he wants her to rejoin the Jedi and looks disappointed when he says no. Does she want to be a Jedi or not and does she have concern for her twin sister or not? Ironically, it's Mae, the evil twin, who expresses loyalty toward her sister in this episode, instead of the other way around.

This is minor, but there's a scene in which Yord insists that Osha hand over her blaster because it's the property of the Jedi Order and, then, in the very next scene, tells her that he's concerned for her safety. It's just one example of where it feels like different writers are writing different scenes.

I read that the character death in this episode was done offscreen because of budgetary reasons. It boggles my mind that they couldn't afford a single death scene in a 30-minute episode that cost more to make than Godzilla Minus One and that they would do that to a unique character that they've been teasing. We'll eventually see the character fight in another flashback, since it's in the trailers, but it's kind of ruined now.

The show is starting to remind me of The Rings of Power, which was also undone by weak writing and revealed two character identities that were predictable and disappointing. Here, there's a similar feeling that the master is going to end up being an existing character and underwhelming. My hunch is that it's going to be Mother Aniseya, since the master walked up and looked into Osha's eyes like a mother seeing her daughter for the first time in decades and then Force pushed all of the Jedi away similar to what Mother Aniseya did to her witch sisters and daughters in the last episode. I imagine that the clues that it could be Qimir and having characters say "he" are misdirection so that we don't suspect that it's her. Also, the master probably needs to be someone that Osha knows or else she has no more purpose in the story, and probably needs to be someone else who has a grudge against the Jedi because of what happened that night at the temple, since Mae has suddenly lost hers, apparently.
 
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I think I'm done. This last episode sucked. I've lost interest. Same thing happened with Obi-Wan, Ashoka, Boba Fett and Mando S3.

I'm starting to wonder if Star Wars even works on TV.

Agree with everything @Osprey said. Amazing how amateurish the writing is.

Also, the critics were given the first 4 episodes to watch, how do 85% think this is good? And people say the audience score is suspicious.
 

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Still can't believe they want me to buy that Mae,...]
Did you say you wanted to buy Mae? Would this interest you? After all, the whole purpose of more Star Wars media is to sell more Star Wars toys.

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I must have Googled something about the show because of this thread, now my whole FB feed has SW as sole point of interest. I just don't get the hate. I mean, sure it's not brilliant (SW never was), but it's certainly not objectively worse than most of the other series (I'll agree that Andor stands alone), and to me, at this point, more entertaining than most of them.

I guess SW fans are at it again. Normally, people react that strongly to stuff that would defy their understanding of the world (an attack on their God) or their own self-definition (teens, if you say the music they listen to is total garbage). And no matter how many people say "now I'm done", they're always still there, overreacting accordingly to their YouTube leaders' commands.

Sorry for this mini-rant that has more to do with my current algorithms than with this thread. I'll go google some butt-plugs to complement my feed.
 

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I think I'm done. This last episode sucked. I've lost interest. Same thing happened with Obi-Wan, Ashoka, Boba Fett and Mando S3.

I'm starting to wonder if Star Wars even works on TV.

Agree with everything @Osprey said. Amazing how amateurish the writing is.

Also, the critics were given the first 4 episodes to watch, how do 85% think this is good? And people say the audience score is suspicious.
I still dont get how you have a 160 million budget and claim you didn't have the time and budget to film a wookie jedi fight/death scene when f*** all has happened in this show yet, it's been a bunch of bland cookie cutter assholes walking and talking like someone who just met another human for the first time in their life, how is that even attainable? I know those lightsaber effects sure are expensive and cant be whipped up in no time on f***ing photoshop in a high school computer lab in the year 2024.
 
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I'm trying to steer well clear of the "social commentary" that surrounds this show, and all the angry right wingers who are review bombing this stuff. But this comment was too egregious for me to ignore.

You know why people with one white parent "identify as black?" Because of long, long historical precedent in western countries of it only taking "one drop" of "black blood" to be discriminated against.
My mother is german and my father is cree. Grandstanding won't work with me.
 
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So uhhh elbowing a solid metal mask or helmet thingy makes it crumble like termite infested wood and totally not completely fracture said elbow and headbutting a lightsaber hilt apparently breaks it likes its made of legos? This is better parody then Spaceballs now.
 
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Those lightsaber fights were pretty bad ass. Some of the kill moves were crazy. Ended up being super obvious who the big bad is, and he’s a Sith! I really hope they can at least give us some background on how this random dude is mow stronger than anyone alive.

So stupid that Sol watches a Sith murder a bunch of Jedi and then seemingly can’t strike him down because Osha says he’s unarmed. Who tf cares! He was armed for the entire battle and f***ing wrecked everyone. Strike his ass down! The “We don’t want anyone to know that there’s something out there that can kill Jedi and induce panic” rhetoric makes no sense now as Sol literally could have ended that threat with one strike of his lightsaber.
 

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Well, now we see where the show's entire budget went. :laugh: Just because a show has a big budget doesn't mean it's equally divided per episode, and that one clearly got the bulk of the funding. :laugh:

With the dialogue and plot minimized, the action actually did carry this episode for a while. I'm not usually one for light saber porn, but those fights were pretty darn entertaining. Good choreography and VFX working together, well directed fight scenes overall. The Mae/Osha scenes afterwards fell pretty flat, unfortunately. Stenberg does seem to be the weakest link among the cast, and she has to play two roles.

Sol leaving the Sith helmet on the ground in the forest does seem rather silly though. Why would he not want evidence of the Sith and the events that took place on the planet? I get not being able to take all the bodies with them, but at least bring back some hard evidence to show the council.
 

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I enjoyed most of the lightsaber fights but my god they could not have worse writing/acting for this. The best parts of the show are when the characters aren't speaking. The whole show feels like a poorly made Star Wars fan fic. Even the music is somehow bad and I don't think I've ever thought that of a Star Wars show/movie

I figured it was the assistant guy. His excuse for working for the master was so bad. I will give them that they did a decent job of convincing you it was the mother by having the daughter blatantly say her mom could do that shortly before the reveal.

Well, now we see where the show's entire budget went. :laugh: Just because a show has a big budget doesn't mean it's equally divided per episode, and that one clearly got the bulk of the funding. :laugh:

With the dialogue and plot minimized, the action actually did carry this episode for a while. I'm not usually one for light saber porn, but those fights were pretty darn entertaining. Good choreography and VFX working together, well directed fight scenes overall. The Mae/Osha scenes afterwards fell pretty flat, unfortunately. Stenberg does seem to be the weakest link among the cast, and she has to play two roles.

Sol leaving the Sith helmet on the ground in the forest does seem rather silly though. Why would he not want evidence of the Sith and the events that took place on the planet? I get not being able to take all the bodies with them, but at least bring back some hard evidence to show the council.

Yeah every character is braindead. One moment they don't care at all for the moral high ground and then the next it's all that matters depending on what the plot needs.
 

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I'll give them credit for only TWO things...

1) The lightsaber fight was very good. There were a few moves where I went "I don't know why Jedi/Sith haven't done this before. It's so reasonable"
2) They weren't afraid to kill off characters I thought would be there for the long haul (but admittedly, I didn't care if they died. I found them cumbersome). Still, I applaud them for killing the characters I guess.

But otherwise?...my thoughts
    • Big villain reveal was obvious
    • Mae is evil again? They're digging BACK into the evil twin twist?!
    • Dialogue sucked despite great lightsaber battles
    • Why didn't Osha just stun Darth Teef once the helmet was off?
    • Btw WHERE DID A HELMET THAT DEACTIVATES SABERS COME FROM? How was that not used ever again?!!
    • No one communicates in this show. They're all intentionally dopes so the writers can keep the mystery going for the viewer and it's driving me nuts. Sol - just tell Osha whatever you did. Mae - JUST TELL OSHA WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WITCHES. WHY ALLUDE TO IT AND NOT ACTUALLY TELL HER!?!?
    • Mae and Osha's mom is going to appear again. No question. They mentioned her again in the convo between Mae & Osha. Hell, and I know this sounds *nuts, but I'm not convinced that the mother is occupying the body of Mae *right now* via some crazy dark magic her coven has. Like a re-animated body.
    • This is a personal preference thing, but man this show is going very out of its way to make Jedi comparable to actual Police Officers...and the bad guys of the series. I will almost never, ever, ever be down with "Jedi are evil" as the main theme of a Star Wars show unless a Sith/Mandalorian/Dark Jedi is the main POV character.
 
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most of these Jedi are knight level not masters who went to arrest the chancellor but my goodness. But seriously??? Their light sabre skills are that weak? I get Carrie Anne Moss character protecting a civilian which gave up an opening to Mae but they are really making the Jedi weak….
 

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I was afraid "the master" reveal was going to be that obvious and it was. At least the lightsaber fights were fun I guess.

This is definitely the worst of the Star Wars series for me. It all just feels so...amateurish. I'll finish watching it because it's still Star Wars and even in bad Star Wars I find stuff to enjoy. Well, except maybe for TROS, which I haven't watched again since seeing it in the theater.
 

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It looked cool, and we can now confirm that all that money was in fact going somewhere. Can't hate on a good lightsaber slash and dash which the episode certainly delivered in full. Same stilted dialogue and shoddy lazy writing however. Really just gives it a YA comic book feel, which hey maybe is exactly what they were going for.

Why do I feel like Sith boy is out of some smutty SW booktok fan fic :laugh:
maybe he's just looking for an acolyte to train arms with

At least his motivations could be interesting because I'm not at all getting what Mae's and Osha's are?

Mae :
goes full murder spree,
then decides to turn herself in because it's too hard and her sister is alive,
fails to do that when given the opportunity,
nearly gets murdered by her ex master who surprise was her wise cracking sidekick all along,
then knocks out her tragically estranged sister she's missed so much all these years to Parent Trap a Jedi Master for.. what reason? Is she going to bring down the whole Jedi Order herself?

Osha :
doesn't want to be a Jedi anymore,
but does like being in contact with the force,
but doesn't care for her sister or family,
but also wants to see Mae brought to justice,
but fails to act now twice to see that done,
trusts Sol completely,
but not when it comes to ending someone who just killed a bunch of Jedi?

These are supposed to be strong female lead characters?
Also now that I'm thinking of The Parent Trap, if Lindsay Lohan can give a dramatic performance like that at 11 years old surely Ms. Stenberg you could do better than that take of Osha and Mae's confrontation at sunrise on a mountain.
 
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