Movies: Star Wars: Rogue One Part II Release date Dec 14th

[The Moose]

People are excited for this movie because it's a Star Wars movie. No other reason than that.

These new movies are getting good will from media and the fans right now, but it will burn out quick if Disney keeps putting out mediocrity like this every year.

I bet a few years from now, opinions on Rogue One will have changed. Time won't be kind to this film.

Right, you know the sole reason why "people" are excited about this movie. How nice. By the same logic, the only reason people like Star movies is because they are Star wars movies.

 

[The Moose]

Opinions and opinions, for me this was leaps and bounds better than TFA, both in acting and in story. I can't understand how anyone can call this story "generic" when you have the TFA rehash of A New Hope. As for acting, the Vader wannabe prone to temper tantrums in ATF is probably the worst casting decision since Christiansen in Episode 2. Not too mention the cartoonish looking Snoake, which is more of a dark side version of JarJar Binks. I still have high hopes for Episode 8, but for me Episode 7 was a bit of a letdown. Hopefully they can have really good story with Luke back in the picture and make some sort of frightening villain out of the whiney Kylo Ren.

Rogue one had the same dark and tragic tones as Empire Strike Back, and in my oppinion is a strong addition to the SW universe, tying together nicely with the original A New Hope. Surely, some flaws, but overall a good strong movie.

 

[Shareefruck]

Right, you know the sole reason why "people" are excited about this movie. How nice. By the same logic, the only reason people like Star movies is because they are Star wars movies.

I do agree with him that upon release, any Star Wars movie will get extra goodwill/lee-way that it otherwise wouldn't without the brand (hell, even the Prequels did), and as a result, in a few years, reality will probably bump perception downwards from how it's currently received. I don't see any evidence that anyone nitpicks Star Wars movies more than they would any other run of the mill movie with similar problems.

However, the theory that "people are only excited for these movies because it's Star Wars. No other reason that that" is completely broken by the fact we've seen many people come forward and say that they disliked everything about The Force Awakens but liked things about this. I'm one of them.

 

[Jussi]

Opinions and opinions, for me this was leaps and bounds better than TFA, both in acting and in story. I can't understand how anyone can call this story "generic" when you have the TFA rehash of A New Hope. As for acting, the Vader wannabe prone to temper tantrums in ATF is probably the worst casting decision since Christiansen in Episode 2. Not too mention the cartoonish looking Snoake, which is more of a dark side version of JarJar Binks. I still have high hopes for Episode 8, but for me Episode 7 was a bit of a letdown. Hopefully they can have really good story with Luke back in the picture and make some sort of frightening villain out of the whiney Kylo Ren.

Rogue one had the same dark and tragic tones as Empire Strike Back, and in my oppinion is a strong addition to the SW universe, tying together nicely with the original A New Hope. Surely, some flaws, but overall a good strong movie.

Who's calling it generic? It's fairly straightforward, all plotted out. The problems are more in the first half and how characters are introduced and it fails to grab the audience in the same way TFA did.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

After 7 days the gross in NA for RO 221.9M moving into 10th place for year

Likely passed Doctor Strange this afternoon for 9th and should pull within striking distance of Suicide Squad , B vs S and Zootopia for 6th , 7th and 8th spots after this weekend

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

People are excited for this movie because it's a Star Wars movie. No other reason than that.

These new movies are getting good will from media and the fans right now, but it will burn out quick if Disney keeps putting out mediocrity like this every year.

I bet a few years from now, opinions on Rogue One will have changed. Time won't be kind to this film.

I was excited about this movie, because it showed a different side to the war. Not because it was just a Star Wars movie. I might be one of the few people who thinks the trade dispute and build up in TPM actually plays a significant role in the lead-up to the story. I love how Palpatine manipulates everyone around him and seeing how he came into power was a very underrated storyline to me.

Rogue One shows what the war was like for the rebels, instead of just focusing on Jedi (force-sensitive people) vs Sith as we see in the other 7 movies. They took a risk and people will either love it or hate it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Who's calling it generic? It's fairly straightforward, all plotted out. The problems are more in the first half and how characters are introduced and it fails to grab the audience in the same way TFA did.

TFA grabbed the audience because of the old characters returning to the franchise. Leia, Chewbacca and Han Solo are recognized by everyone. Rogue One has Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, Tarkin and a few moments of Vader. The difference is that the characters in TFA were the main protagonists in the OT, while the R1 characters weren't.

TFA was also the first movie to come out in 10 years and people were going to love it either way. TFA has that in common with TPM (Not that it is as bad as TPM, but that it gets credit because it fills a desire among fans)

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Star Wars will always basically be the most loved/nitpicked movies.

For those complaining about the plot, what more could they have done in that area really? As far as I know it was pretty close to the material it was using.

The "plot" of Rogue One is so much better than TFA; the former is well structured, cohesive and overall justified, while the latter is an unjustified mess moved forward with ass-pulls and emotional crits that hopes the breakneck pace will encourage people to not notice.

Without getting into too much detail, the problem with Rogue One is two fold: first, it seems that pretty much everything the movie tries to do is just one scene short of greatness. Cassian has some sort of psyche, but it's not exactly crystal clear what that is. Jyn has some sort of relationship with her father, again it's not fabulously apparent why this is so important to her (especially since she gives ****-all when Forrest Whitaker returns to his home planet). Donnie Yen's death scene is played like a guy who lost his faith in the Force and is now taking a chance with it again, but that lost-faith scene never occurred. Etc, etc.

Second, it's just not clever, which is why "generic" is a good way to describe it, rather than "bad". Here's an example:



Without going into everything happening in that scene (like how Han's brash confidence from Empire was replaced with restrained optimism), the scene creates tension, first by creating doubt in the cockpit; by reinforcing that doubt by the Imperial officer noting they're "older codes"; third by Luke and Vadar realizing the presence of the other, thus opening the option that they will be captured upon detection rather than blown to smithereens. We know the latter won't happen, but the former is very possible- meaning it builds and builds up the tension until they finally get through.

Vs the scene in ROgue One...I don't even remember, it's just "Here are the codes!" and zoop! they're on the planet. Not inventive in the least.

 

[RandV]

Without going into everything happening in that scene (like how Han's brash confidence from Empire was replaced with restrained optimism), the scene creates tension, first by creating doubt in the cockpit; by reinforcing that doubt by the Imperial officer noting they're "older codes"; third by Luke and Vadar realizing the presence of the other, thus opening the option that they will be captured upon detection rather than blown to smithereens. We know the latter won't happen, but the former is very possible- meaning it builds and builds up the tension until they finally get through.

Vs the scene in ROgue One...I don't even remember, it's just "Here are the codes!" and zoop! they're on the planet. Not inventive in the least.

I remember it, and it wasn't just that. They were challenged that they weren't authorized to be there, and responded that they were from the installation that was just attacked and were re-routed to this planet. Their shuttle ship looked like a straggler that escaped a rebel assault, which was basically just a straight bombing run.

Still a little thin but perfectly plausible. The RotJ stolen shuttle was a bit more sketchy because we don't know where it came from or how long the rebels had it.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

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Still a little thin but perfectly plausible. The RotJ stolen shuttle was a bit more sketchy because we don't know where it came from or how long the rebels had it.

Its nice fhat they justifed it better than "because Bothans", but that's not really the point. The scene from RotJ is one of those "moments" because of how well it builds up tension (among other reasons). The corresponding scene from Rogue One is forgettable because it lacks that buildup outside the first challenge (though this isn't really fair since I can't remember it).

A better example: Obi Wan's sacrifice in ANH has meaning because we, the audience, know exactly how this will affect Luke- and we see his reaction to it in real time + Luke mourning his death. This is later cashed out into the Trench run + that classic line, Luke, use the Force.

Of all the character deaths in Rogue One, the closest we get is Donnie Yen and his friend- and his friend immediately opts for suicide by Storm Trooper for no other reason then they really have nothing else for him to do (AKA Forrest Whitaker and the Pilot). They get a character upset over a death (meaning we can empathize much easier!) and immediately cash that out for...juat shooting Storm Troopers? While repeating, "I believe in the power of Christ!"?

I'm not saying this is bad either, I'm saying it's generic, forgettable, not clever.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Holy when Luke and Vader meet in ROJ is so great, the Ewoks really have tainted chunks of this otherwise great movie

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Something I really enjoyed that others covered were the loose ends tied up and the connections to ANH such as:

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Red 5, C-3PO's line about Leia not escaping again, etc. Something else I see slightly neglected here is the destruction of a majority of the Rebel fleet. It helps explain why the Rebellion could only send out the few squadrons it did to attack the Death Star.

I did like Bail Organa saying he'd send the person he trusted most to get Kenobi and I was surprised to see Leia at the battle but it makes some sense as if Vader was there how could he possibly catch up to the Tantive IV near Tatooine unless the Tantive IV was only slightly ahead of Vader's Star Destroyer.

Anyone who played KOTOR will notice the Old Republic Hammerhead capital ships so if they weren't canon before then they are now. Also it served a really neat function I thought. Very limited but highly effective when an enemy ship is disabled like that.

If you wanted another reason why Vader was on Mustafar remember the Emperor loves to torture Vader and tries to remind him of all his failures. Keeping him stuck on the planet of his greatest failure is the ultimate Emperor Palpatine move. Vader mowing down those poor soldiers was ruthless though. They sold Vader's brute strength rather well I thought.
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[johnjm22]

However, the theory that "people are only excited for these movies because it's Star Wars. No other reason that that" is completely broken by the fact we've seen many people come forward and say that they disliked everything about The Force Awakens but liked things about this. I'm one of them.

I don't see the connection. People were excited for TFA because it was Star Wars. People were excited for Rogue One because it's Star Wars.

I'm one of those people.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Can anyone explain the point of Stormtrooper armor? It can't stop a blaster, it can't stop rocks, it can't stop a wooden stick.

 

[Hivemind]

Something I really enjoyed that others covered were the loose ends tied up and the connections to ANH such as:

[SPOIL]
Red 5, C-3PO's line about Leia not escaping again, etc. Something else I see slightly neglected here is the destruction of a majority of the Rebel fleet. It helps explain why the Rebellion could only send out the few squadrons it did to attack the Death Star.

I did like Bail Organa saying he'd send the person he trusted most to get Kenobi and I was surprised to see Leia at the battle but it makes some sense as if Vader was there how could he possibly catch up to the Tantive IV near Tatooine unless the Tantive IV was only slightly ahead of Vader's Star Destroyer.

Anyone who played KOTOR will notice the Old Republic Hammerhead capital ships so if they weren't canon before then they are now. Also it served a really neat function I thought. Very limited but highly effective when an enemy ship is disabled like that.

If you wanted another reason why Vader was on Mustafar remember the Emperor loves to torture Vader and tries to remind him of all his failures. Keeping him stuck on the planet of his greatest failure is the ultimate Emperor Palpatine move. Vader mowing down those poor soldiers was ruthless though. They sold Vader's brute strength rather well I thought.
[/SPOIL]

Hammerheads were introduced as canon in Rebels.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Do you guys think Disney would have the balls to have the Dark Side prevail at end of Episode 9?

I always felt it would be interesting to have the Dark Side triumph in end

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

Hammerheads were introduced as canon in Rebels.

Disney has been plucking things from the Expanded Universe or rather, Star Wars Legends.

Especially Admiral Thrawn.

 

[johnjm22]

Do you guys think Disney would have the balls to have the Dark Side prevail at end of Episode 9?

I always felt it would be interesting to have the Dark Side triumph in end

I hope not. That's not what I think Star Wars should be.

It would be interesting to see Luke turn to the dark side though.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

Do you guys think Disney would have the balls to have the Dark Side prevail at end of Episode 9?

I always felt it would be interesting to have the Dark Side triumph in end

If they wanted that, they could make movies based on KOTOR or the Old Republic.

 

[Hivemind]

Disney has been plucking things from the Expanded Universe or rather, Star Wars Legends.

Especially Admiral Thrawn.

I'm aware. Just answering that Hammerheads had already been introduced into the new canon.

Heck, those specific Hammerheads may well have been introduced. There were multiple other ships from the Rebels fleet that made cameos at the Battle of Scarif.

 

[The Nemesis]

Do you guys think Disney would have the balls to have the Dark Side prevail at end of Episode 9?

I always felt it would be interesting to have the Dark Side triumph in end

Rogue One kinda shows they have the balls to do whatever makes sense for the movie if it'll make them money.

But my hope is that they wouldn't do something like that. That's not Star Wars. Star Wars has always been optimistic and positive even with serious and grim things like the Empire or Anakin's fall. I said in the Rebels thread that Rogue One filled the niche of grittier Star Wars tale, and now I've had my fill of that. I don't want the franchise to go dark when that's never been what it's about on the grander scale

 

[Hivemind]

I would love more gritty takes of the Star Wars universe. I loved getting a sampling of the actual "Wars" part of the Star Wars, where the actual carnage and destruction of the conflict is put into center focus. I love seeing what more of regular life in the Star Wars universe is, as opposed to only that of the Jedi and their inner circles. But when it comes to the main saga and the prevailing fight between the Light Side and the Dark Side, you can't really have a dark ending. Achieving a "balance" between the light side and the dark side or perhaps requiring a sacrifice to do so may be as far as they go. But the Dark Side isn't going to emerge victorious at the end of Episode IX.

 

[clunk]

I actually liked this more than The Force Awakens....

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Star Wars 1313 anyone?

 

[clunk]

And why does the Darth Vader in this look so much more.... 'less intimidating' than the one in the original movie? Not shiny enough me thinks.