Movies: Star Wars: Rogue One Part II Release date Dec 14th

[Tawnos]

If the movie "didn't have much heart" and didn't give many reasons to really be concerned about what was happening, then how is it a good movie?

The main characters in Rogue One are boring. The only thing that saves it, is that it exists in the SW universe which means we get to see cool stuff like death troopers, x-wings, star destroyers ect. Aside from that it's a very generic action/war movie.

The only reason this movie is getting good reviews is because it's Star Wars. People are in denial. It's not very good.

On that last, I'm almost sure that I wouldn't like it if it wasn't Star Wars. Frankly, taken on its own... I mean who gives a crap? The only reason it's interesting is that it informs what we already love.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

This was the least Star Wars-like movie in the franchise. If this movie is getting good reviews, it is not because of some jedi/lightSabre fanservice but because it was actually a good movie. It shows the other side of the war. The peasants-side, if you will, instead of just focusing on the Jedi and Sith, or the royalty.

It has the Star Wars name. It has Vader. It has Stormtroopers. It has AT-ATs and AT-STs. It has X-wings.

Just because it is the "least" Star Wars like, doesn't make it not a Star Wars movie that is going to get a lot of hype and praise as long as it isn't objectively terrible. Hell, I probably would have thought it was a meh movie if it didn't have things that I recognized throughout.

 

[johnjm22]

This was the least Star Wars-like movie in the franchise. If this movie is getting good reviews, it is not because of some jedi/lightSabre fanservice but because it was actually a good movie. It shows the other side of the war. The peasants-side, if you will, instead of just focusing on the Jedi and Sith, or the royalty.

People are excited for this movie because it's a Star Wars movie. No other reason than that.

These new movies are getting good will from media and the fans right now, but it will burn out quick if Disney keeps putting out mediocrity like this every year.

I bet a few years from now, opinions on Rogue One will have changed. Time won't be kind to this film.

 

[Hivemind]

Time will be far kinder to Rogue One than it will to TFA. We've already seen TFA opinions decline in the past year.

 

[worstfaceoffmanever]

It sucked.

Don't get me wrong, the film is beautiful and nails the aesthetics of the more successful films of the series, but the plot was so generic and the characters so poorly-developed, that I had little investment in what was going on. They turned Vader into Lame Pun Raccoon in the second act, and the movie went completely off the rails after that, showing off one dumb set piece after another. It works for Godzilla, but not for Star Wars.

I feel a little bit duped because, even though I anticipated the way it ended, I expected actual depth, not a half-assed toy commercial. Whatever interest I had in the Alden Ehrenreich Han Solo film is completely gone after seeing this movie.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Time will be far kinder to Rogue One than it will to TFA. We've already seen TFA opinions decline in the past year.

I would ask, why? What did Rogue One do that will keep the positive vibes in a way that TFA failed?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

People are excited for this movie because it's a Star Wars movie. No other reason than that.

These new movies are getting good will from media and the fans right now, but it will burn out quick if Disney keeps putting out mediocrity like this every year.

I bet a few years from now, opinions on Rogue One will have changed. Time won't be kind to this film.

Well, the first response from fans in 1999 about TPM was incredibly positive, because it was the first Star Wars movie in over 10 years to come out. TFA was the first in 10 years, and people love it because it is fan-service. Same tunes, same aspects, the entire story is a copy of Star Wars.

Rogue One is a much more gritty movie, but the acting in this movie and the way the movie plays out, is much more mature than TFA. We will see in a few years how people look at this. I think there will be 2 camps: The Star Wars fans who don't think it is a real Star Wars movie and criticize it, and the people who like it for the exact same reason.

It does have a purpose. It fills huge holes in the story, got rid of one of the biggest Star Wars debates of the last 39 years and does something no Star Wars movie has done in killing all protagonists.

My issues with Rogue One are just the "I'm one with the force, the force is with me" BS which gets very annoying after a few minutes, and mind reading octopus-creature which added nothing to the story

 

[Hivemind]

I would ask, why? What did Rogue One do that will keep the positive vibes in a way that TFA failed?

It didn't simply retract footsteps. While there were plenty of easter eggs and callbacks to the OT (including a couple cringe ones), the entire film wasn't build purely on nostalgia and rehashing what had already been done. It was a solid movie set in the Star Wars universe, rather than a movie built purely to reboot the universe.

 

[The Drop]

It does have a purpose. It fills huge holes in the story, got rid of one of the biggest Star Wars debates of the last 39 years and does something no Star Wars movie has done in killing all protagonists.

My issues with Rogue One are just the "I'm one with the force, the force is with me" BS which gets very annoying after a few minutes, and mind reading octopus-creature which added nothing to the story

Could you elaborate on that ?

 

[RandV]

Could you elaborate on that ?

Why was there a one shot design flaw in the Empire's big bad Death Star?

 

[The Drop]

Why was there a one shot design flaw in the Empire's big bad Death Star?

Oh yes. The exhaust port. Ya even I've had that argument. Very true

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Oh yes. The exhaust port. Ya even I've had that argument. Very true

The appropriate rebuttal is, "Who gives a ****?".

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If he didn't get fried, he'd probably get so powerful that there would be no need for the Death Star.



And then Anakin got cocky and lost because of it. I probably didn't give Kenobi enough credit in my original comment, he executed the whole duel masterfully.

Did he really lose power though? In theory would it affect his ability to use the force? In ROTJ I assume that he died because the machinery that kept him alive got fried when he got electrocuted by the Emperor so I guess electricity was kind of his Kryptonite while it may not have been had he not needed to rely on life support to keep him alive.

 

[HanSolo]

Time will be far kinder to Rogue One than it will to TFA. We've already seen TFA opinions decline in the past year.

And rogue one has been out for what? All of a week. There's less of a positive response here out of the gate than we had in the first weeks of TFA's release.

 

[LarKing]

Star Wars will always basically be the most loved/nitpicked movies.

For those complaining about the plot, what more could they have done in that area really? As far as I know it was pretty close to the material it was using.

 

[Warden of the North]

Star Wars will always basically be the most loved/nitpicked movies.

For those complaining about the plot, what more could they have done in that area really? As far as I know it was pretty close to the material it was using.

Well, there was no material to follow. They (Disney/Lucasfilm) had complete creative freedom.

 

[Takeo]

Pretty good movie. A little monotone but well acted. I could do without the token CGI slug interragator and Roger Rabbit Leia. Would have been more impactful to only see her from the rear. R2 and C3PO were unnecessary but I get it. A lot seems to have changed with reshoots, particularly Jyn's story arc and the ending. In the initial trailers, Jyn seems more of a misfit and the mission is assigned/forced on her. Disney changed it to play up the mushy hero angle. Also the tie fighter on the bridge at the end is gone and instead we get the predictable and generic scene with Kassian popping up from the dead to save the day. Yawn. The landscapes, aesthetics, editing, score, tone, etc. were solid.

 

[worstfaceoffmanever]

Star Wars will always basically be the most loved/nitpicked movies.

For those complaining about the plot, what more could they have done in that area really? As far as I know it was pretty close to the material it was using.

What could they have done differently, you mean? Make it a spy thriller instead of a war movie. Cut out Donnie Yen and his companion (they add nothing to the film except filler and toy sales) and focus on Jyn, Cassian, and K-2SO with the pilot (whose name I have already forgotten and will not commit memory space to) and basically lock them in the tower on Scarif. No huge, sprawling battle sequences, just the three of them trying to guile their way into the archives to get the Death Star plans. Spend that extra few minutes of runtime on character development and scenes inside the tower. (ETA: Or you could just cut that time and make the movie leaner and keep it moving at a brisker pace.)

That wouldn't necessarily save the movie, but it would at least make it tighter, give it more tension, and maybe make for a less boring experience.

 

[LarKing]

Well, there was no material to follow. They (Disney/Lucasfilm) had complete creative freedom.

I mean, there is a book out there they used the plot from no? Maybe they didn't have to follow it exactly but from the comments in here I thought they stuck to that plot pretty well.

 

[LarKing]

What could they have done differently, you mean? Make it a spy thriller instead of a war movie. Cut out Donnie Yen and his companion (they add nothing to the film except filler and toy sales) and focus on Jyn, Cassian, and K-2SO with the pilot (whose name I have already forgotten and will not commit memory space to) and basically lock them in the tower on Scarif. No huge, sprawling battle sequences, just the three of them trying to guile their way into the archives to get the Death Star plans. Spend that extra few minutes of runtime on character development and scenes inside the tower. (ETA: Or you could just cut that time and make the movie leaner and keep it moving at a brisker pace.)

That wouldn't necessarily save the movie, but it would at least make it tighter, give it more tension, and maybe make for a less boring experience.

See, I loved it as a war movie. It's what the vast majority seemed to want before the movie was released as well. A darker, grittier war movie. I just don't see what was so boring about it. They had to introduce, develop, and kill every main character in 2 hours. Sure the beginning was slower but I don't see how else they could've done it unless they're eliminating characters like you're suggesting.

 

[Whiplash27]

They need a gray jedi movie. Always light vs. dark, give me someone in the middle who's super powerful and does whatever he wants, but isn't a cartoon villain and has good qualities.

 

[LarKing]

They need a gray jedi movie. Always light vs. dark, give me someone in the middle who's super powerful and does whatever he wants, but isn't a cartoon villain and has good qualities.

Well, a jedi is a light side force user and a sith is a dark side force user. So you'd be looking for a force user who doesn't affiliate with either. A story about Ahsoka after she leaves the jedi and before a new hope would fit that.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Did he really lose power though? In theory would it affect his ability to use the force? In ROTJ I assume that he died because the machinery that kept him alive got fried when he got electrocuted by the Emperor so I guess electricity was kind of his Kryptonite while it may not have been had he not needed to rely on life support to keep him alive.

Well by not having hands, Vader is unable to force lightning I believe. And the suit itself isn't even the best it could be because Palpatine wanted to keep him on leash.

I don't know exactly in the new canon his power level, but I'm fairly sure his ability to use the force is diminished as ROS

 

[Aladyyn]

Well, a jedi is a light side force user and a sith is a dark side force user. So you'd be looking for a force user who doesn't affiliate with either. A story about Ahsoka after she leaves the jedi and before a new hope would fit that.

So what about Dark Jedi?

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Why come into a thread to ask if something is canon if you weren't going to accept the answer?

Reminds me of how a European who was going to be visiting the US asked me how the tipping system works. I explained it to them and then they said something to the effect of "No. I'm not going to do that. That's not how it is here, so too bad."