Tawnos
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Something that kinda bothers me, but doesn't really matter. Why does any movie at this point need to introduce new alien races?
Movies: Star Wars: Rogue One Part II Release date Dec 14th
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Everybody is entitled to their opinion and this guy takes into account the experience of seeing the movie in the cinema.
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Yep very good movie. Didnt like TFA for the reasons stated. You could tell some of the characters were CGI in the movie but it was almost seamless and I asked my wife if she could tell me who they are. She could not. Battle scenes are A+.
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So you were fine with the hentai tentacled mindreader and the supposed after effects making the victim insane suddenly wearing off in about 15 minutes?
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Was anyone else expecting
[spoil]Chirrut to throw his staff at the switch rather than walking to it and shutting it down manually? That would've been pretty badass, but then he would've had to die a different way[/spoil]
[spoil]Chirrut to throw his staff at the switch rather than walking to it and shutting it down manually? That would've been pretty badass, but then he would've had to die a different way[/spoil]
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Alright, saw Rogue One this weekend. Here are my thoughts:
(it may sound like I'm complaining here, but I thoroughly enjoyed this movie and would recommend it. The good things are the things we expect, and some of those expectations are surpassed.)
- They were trying to make it not Star Wars in a few senses, and I think it was unnecessary. What I mean by this is they removed elements that didn't need to be removed. The most obvious being the intro. I know that's minor, but when it didn't happen I thought it a bit of a shame. Story-wide it makes sense why the Jedi weren't present, but there is no reason to give Darth Vader so little screen time. It was a real missed opportunity to have people walk away from a movie reminded just how badass Darth Vader is. I mean, we get that in the last 2 minutes, but there was potential (and it was in the original script) to have Darth Vader hunt down Erso himself... anyways, this point leads me to:
- they picked the wrong antagonist. Director whatshisname in the white cloak was supposed to be the antagonist, but very quickly was revealed to be the lackey ... then revealed (as we already knew) to be the lackey of a lackey of a lackey (Tarkin -> Vader -> the Emporer. So this guy was supposed to be the antagonist, but was losing in a pissing contest with his superior. Unnecessary. I understand why Tarkin - who really should have been the main antagonist in this story - couldn't be, which means it should have been Darth Vader. Vader crushing rebels at a whim, and Erso completing her task in spite of it would have been a much more impressive (and probably cohesive) plot line. And seeing Vader take her father at the very beginning would have much more effectively glued us to our seats.
- I thought the musical score was okay.. the best was when Vader was on a rampage through the hallway. Horror movie music right there.
The characters were okay, but I think there were just too many.
- Blind monk guy and big gun guy were not remotely necessary. They were neither sidekick nor skeptic. They had no story goals of their own. They were just there, doing stuff. They were each their own gimmick. Their deaths meant as little to the story as their lives did.
- The main male character rebel guy(I can't remember any of their names...) was a miss. He clearly needed a reason to be such a pain, but it wasn't good enough. He was just there to fill certain tactical roles, and a generic character was pasted on top of it.
- The defected pilot was a more interesting character than the rebel, and they probably should have been combined into one character since most of the time we're wondering why the rebel guy is so useless and can't fly a ship. He's been a rebel sine he was 6... did they steer away from him to not reflect on Finn's role? This is a missed opportunity as a result of a self-imposed rule (to make it less Star Wars than the mane saga) IMO, much like not using the traditional Star Wars intro as well as leaving Darth Vader's screen time down.
- the guy who saved Erso as a child was pointless. I thought he was going to be a foreshadow of Darth Vader, but no connection was ever made here (like her first meeting Vader and thinking it was him or something, but she never even meets Vader at all.)
- I liked the father character. I thought he needed a bigger role, and shouldn't have been just killed by rebel fire. I feel like Darth Vader should have killed him.
I'm going a bit too in depth, and I'm trying not to say what has already been said (CGI Tarkin/Leia, Vader hallway scene, slow beginning, etc etc)
I really enjoyed the movie. The Force Awakens and the Original Trilogy are still better IMO, but that's a tall standard to hold this too.
My biggest and number one criticism I would hold against this movie is their selection of the antagonist causing the first 1/2 of the movie to be too flat. It should have been Vader start to finish.
(it may sound like I'm complaining here, but I thoroughly enjoyed this movie and would recommend it. The good things are the things we expect, and some of those expectations are surpassed.)
- They were trying to make it not Star Wars in a few senses, and I think it was unnecessary. What I mean by this is they removed elements that didn't need to be removed. The most obvious being the intro. I know that's minor, but when it didn't happen I thought it a bit of a shame. Story-wide it makes sense why the Jedi weren't present, but there is no reason to give Darth Vader so little screen time. It was a real missed opportunity to have people walk away from a movie reminded just how badass Darth Vader is. I mean, we get that in the last 2 minutes, but there was potential (and it was in the original script) to have Darth Vader hunt down Erso himself... anyways, this point leads me to:
- they picked the wrong antagonist. Director whatshisname in the white cloak was supposed to be the antagonist, but very quickly was revealed to be the lackey ... then revealed (as we already knew) to be the lackey of a lackey of a lackey (Tarkin -> Vader -> the Emporer. So this guy was supposed to be the antagonist, but was losing in a pissing contest with his superior. Unnecessary. I understand why Tarkin - who really should have been the main antagonist in this story - couldn't be, which means it should have been Darth Vader. Vader crushing rebels at a whim, and Erso completing her task in spite of it would have been a much more impressive (and probably cohesive) plot line. And seeing Vader take her father at the very beginning would have much more effectively glued us to our seats.
- I thought the musical score was okay.. the best was when Vader was on a rampage through the hallway. Horror movie music right there.
The characters were okay, but I think there were just too many.
- Blind monk guy and big gun guy were not remotely necessary. They were neither sidekick nor skeptic. They had no story goals of their own. They were just there, doing stuff. They were each their own gimmick. Their deaths meant as little to the story as their lives did.
- The main male character rebel guy(I can't remember any of their names...) was a miss. He clearly needed a reason to be such a pain, but it wasn't good enough. He was just there to fill certain tactical roles, and a generic character was pasted on top of it.
- The defected pilot was a more interesting character than the rebel, and they probably should have been combined into one character since most of the time we're wondering why the rebel guy is so useless and can't fly a ship. He's been a rebel sine he was 6... did they steer away from him to not reflect on Finn's role? This is a missed opportunity as a result of a self-imposed rule (to make it less Star Wars than the mane saga) IMO, much like not using the traditional Star Wars intro as well as leaving Darth Vader's screen time down.
- the guy who saved Erso as a child was pointless. I thought he was going to be a foreshadow of Darth Vader, but no connection was ever made here (like her first meeting Vader and thinking it was him or something, but she never even meets Vader at all.)
- I liked the father character. I thought he needed a bigger role, and shouldn't have been just killed by rebel fire. I feel like Darth Vader should have killed him.
I'm going a bit too in depth, and I'm trying not to say what has already been said (CGI Tarkin/Leia, Vader hallway scene, slow beginning, etc etc)
I really enjoyed the movie. The Force Awakens and the Original Trilogy are still better IMO, but that's a tall standard to hold this too.
My biggest and number one criticism I would hold against this movie is their selection of the antagonist causing the first 1/2 of the movie to be too flat. It should have been Vader start to finish.
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I really wished they used Saw better.
And what was up with the mind reading monster thing? Was that necessary?
I'm excited for the extras on the BluRay release.
And what was up with the mind reading monster thing? Was that necessary?
I'm excited for the extras on the BluRay release.
TheWanderer
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I wouldn't say this is every day stuff. The every day stuff is the first half of the movie that - honestly - could have largely been cut out or completely rewritten.
The empire failing to thwart the rebel attack? I'd say that warrants the attention of a Sith Lord. And it did, but they were a little bit slow to react.
Do you think Director whosewhatsit was the right antagonist? Just some construction project manager?
Tawnos
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I would think Rudolf Hoess would be a strong antagonist. He was just some prison manager (If you don't know who he is, he oversaw Auschwitz). Don't let the seemingly petty internal political struggle distract you from the fact that Krennic was overseeing the construction of a weapon of mass destruction on a level never seen.
And the Empire failed to thwart Rebel attacks fairly often.
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That's fair, but it was poorly executed. He was mostly pissing around, and never came off as a strong antagonist character. I feel like, because they couldn't make Tarkin the antagonist, they tried to make a sub-Tarkin. But then we see Tarkin and that completely defuses Krennic thereafter.
But you are right that he had the potential to be a really nasty antagonist. Tarkin stole his thunder, though, as Krennic didn't have a mean streak in any capacity other than lining up the engineers.
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Everyone likes to talk up TFA's cinematography (and it was good), but IMO it was better on ESB and overall is the best directed movie in the series.
For example, the scene after the Falcon jumped into hyperspace after cloud city, with Vader showing his disappointment without saying a word and Admiral Piett looking like he **** himself was such a powerful scene.
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Pretty much. Every Star Wars movie has dumb stuff like that but it's usually outweighed by the rest of the movie. Well except the prequels lol. Yeah I guess that could have taken a longer time for him to gain his full self, sure.
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A character can be villainous but not work as an antagonist. An antagonist exists to personally stymie and challenge the protagonist, to give the protagonist either a fight for the same thing or a goal in ultimately overcoming him/her/it.
In that sense...
[spoil] The fact that Krennic meets Jyn for the first time in the last 5 minutes (discounting the prologue) and his first words are, "WHO ARE YOU?!?!" says it all
They can't even do the revenge angle because Jyn's father was killed by friendly fire, not by Krennic.
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It made more sense to go with the All Quiet on the Western Front/ Apocalypse Now angle and have the War be the antagonist.
Fin "flirting" with Rey within 2 minutes of meeting her and Rey and the roller droid doing the Winn-Dixie bit.
That said, I watched ESB recently for the first time in years. What a great ****ing movie. But there were some really weird attempts at humor, like when Han is being frozen- it cuts from Leia and Chewie looking on in horror to C3PO (on Chewie's back) shouting, "WHAT'S GOING ON, I CAN'T SEE?!?!". I couldn't tell if it was an attempt at humor or just ratcheting up the tension of the scene, it played like the former to my modern sensibilities but accomplished the latter.
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Tawnos
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That makes sense. In reality, the Empire is the antagonist in this movie. In a lot of ways, it was the antagonist in ANH too, since no individual plays that role for Luke.
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TheWanderer
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Yeah, this is what I was getting at. As an antagonist, he was poorly executed.
The other thing too is that the war wasn't even having an actual effect on Jyn, really. All she cared about was finding her father until he died. After that it was "I better get those plans to the rebels, because Daddy told me to..." Anything war-like going on around her seemed like minor inconveniences.
The fact that I enjoyed this movie as much as I did in spite of - honestly - the squandered opportunities says a lot about the good qualities of the movie. I still really like the movie. Though I will say I liked The Force Awakens much more, but it's growing to be possibly my favorite of all of them the more times I see it.
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I liked the movie very much. Avfter reading some of the postings in this thread about the bad editing I realize now after I thought about it a bit that there were quite a few holes. I loved the Vader scenes, needed more Vader. I hope Vader get's a standalone movie soon before James Earl Jones can't do it anymore.
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Only thing I found cheesy is that Vader lives in Mordor. A little over the top. You'd think he has an aversion to lava.
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They stopped putting the subtitles up for planet intros after the first 20 minutes or so, but my assumption was that he was based on Mustafar, the planet in which he had his duel with Obi Wan.
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