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With Baylan, it would be sad if they had planned to kill him off in season 1, but also would be sad if they didn't and given the passing of the Actor, to just kill him off screen would be a downer too. Or the 3rd option is that they did a re-shoot after his passing and have to CGI his face to kill him off.
what’s unfortunate and truly tragic is that Ray’s untimely death could potentially have an immense impact on trying to direct Shin’s past. Obviously CGI today is incredible, but it’s usually frowned upon to CGI a character who’s actor is no longer with us. Flashbacks, memories, Shin’s path to the dark side or rather as a dark side user, and her villain origin story. It’ll be interesting to see what they do in that regard.
 

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what’s unfortunate and truly tragic is that Ray’s untimely death could potentially have an immense impact on trying to direct Shin’s past. Obviously CGI today is incredible, but it’s usually frowned upon to CGI a character who’s actor is no longer with us. Flashbacks, memories, Shin’s path to the dark side or rather as a dark side user, and her villain origin story. It’ll be interesting to see what they do in that regard.
Similar to Boseman and Black Panther, do people want someone else to take on the role or for the actor, to end that particular character with the actor?

Cavill is leaving the Witcher and the role is continuing on with Liam Hemsworth as an example of replacing a key actor or in this sense the main actor.
 

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Similar to Boseman and Black Panther, do people want someone else to take on the role or for the actor, to end that particular character with the actor?

Cavill is leaving the Witcher and the role is continuing on with Liam Hemsworth as an example of replacing a key actor or in this sense the main actor.
It depends on who they cast ultimately. He's not so well established that a recast would be a travesty, but at the same time he has such a unique presence and aesthetic as an antagonist it's hard to see a seamless transition. To say nothing of how he's arguably the best part of this new series.

As for the discussion about Shin, I don't really think we need to wring our wrists about where she originated from on the timeline. Just because both the Jedi and Sith orders fell, it doesn't mean that someone like Baylan couldn't have independently discovered Shin and her force sensitivity and taken her as an apprentice. Could've happened after the Battle of Endor and it wouldn't have really mattered.

If anything, being discovered completely independently of inclusion in either order would make her a lot more interesting since her personal dogma would ostensibly dictated fresh by Baylan's teachings.
 

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I don’t know what anyone here is talking about. Ezra without a lightsaber was cool as shit.
It was a different twist. Now he’s going to be a decade without practice using one so we shouldn’t see him be great with it should he have to use a lightsaber.
 

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Well, here we are, seven episodes into a show about nothing. The battles have no meaning. Evil isn't really evil, good isn't really good and there are no winners or losers. There are no Jedi, there are no Sith. There are only shades of gray. There are no consequences and nobody but extra's and assassin droids die.

This show is a nostalgia flavored consumable that will have no lasting cultural impact on anything but perhaps spawning more horrible shit that appeals to the greatest common denominator.

With any luck, the 'Will of the Force' will strand them all where they stand and this won't be picked up for season two.
 
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It was a different twist. Now he’s going to be a decade without practice using one so we shouldn’t see him be great with it should he have to use a lightsaber.

That depends a lot on what your opinion is on what lightsaber combat really is.

I’ve always been of the opinion that lightsaber combat is like 90% Force connection and 10% blade skill. Training and technique are about the best ways for each individual to access the Force while in said combat. The lightsaber itself simply acts as a focal point for that connection. If you’ve got someone who already is as connected to the Force as they can be, and that connection is reasonably deep, then they’ll be able to pick up a lightsaber and be more than capable with it. I won’t be surprised or upset if Ezra is good with it when he needs to be.
 

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I don’t know what anyone here is talking about. Ezra without a lightsaber was cool as shit.
It was cool I just kinda wish the choreography was a bit better and a little more badass. Maybe it was the actor (I’m forgetting his name right now) just getting into the swing of things and shaking some of the rust off.
 

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It depends on who they cast ultimately. He's not so well established that a recast would be a travesty, but at the same time he has such a unique presence and aesthetic as an antagonist it's hard to see a seamless transition. To say nothing of how he's arguably the best part of this new series.

As for the discussion about Shin, I don't really think we need to wring our wrists about where she originated from on the timeline. Just because both the Jedi and Sith orders fell, it doesn't mean that someone like Baylan couldn't have independently discovered Shin and her force sensitivity and taken her as an apprentice. Could've happened after the Battle of Endor and it wouldn't have really mattered.

If anything, being discovered completely independently of inclusion in either order would make her a lot more interesting since her personal dogma would ostensibly dictated fresh by Baylan's teachings.
I mean that's basically what they've implied isn't it? Baylan left the Jedi Order I guess around the Clone Wars, and at some point around the Empire/Rebel period found a force sensitive kid. Took her as an apprentice, training her as neither a Jedi or Sith but just whatever they are.

Wasn't there some mention that she's the 'same' as Ezra? I don't know what that means though as I didn't watch Rebel's.
 

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Meh. There's action but nothing conclusive that advances the plot. The last 2 episodes have been like a bad lover, putting my feet to sleep.
 

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I mean that's basically what they've implied isn't it? Baylan left the Jedi Order I guess around the Clone Wars, and at some point around the Empire/Rebel period found a force sensitive kid. Took her as an apprentice, training her as neither a Jedi or Sith but just whatever they are.

Wasn't there some mention that she's the 'same' as Ezra? I don't know what that means though as I didn't watch Rebel's.
Baylan called Ezra a "Bokken Jedi" trained after the Order fell, but then says he trained Shin to be "something more", whatever that means. Hopefully we get to see what exactly Baylan is after next week.

My one gripe is that Sabine just needs to tell Ezra about what's happened recently since she apparently still hasn't told him how she found him or what she thought had happened to Ahsoka, which seem a little more important than catching him up on the latest galactic news headlines.
 

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That's a weird complaint.

Old Mother certainly knows he is on her home planet... just like she feels someone is coming. She is not a god damn GPS :laugh:

Well, that didn't age well. Turned out a GPS she is.

I thought the episode was inconsequential, but ok. Can't stand Ezra though, the actor is pretty bad.
 

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If I had one wish for this show it would be that the dialogue showed more imagination. Everybody other than Thrawn and Huyang get canned questions/responses. You can say it's bad acting, I think it's just that there's nothing to do with their crappy lines. Even the voice actors in Rebels got more to work with.

I thought the Ezra refusing the lightsaber thing was more about him encouraging Sabine to not turn back from her training than him being a space monk without need of a weapon. The more annoying thing was her not telling him how she got there and that if they don't hitch a ride in the very near future they'll be stranded there forever. Who knows maybe that's what she's hoping for, to be Queen of the crab people. Seems like that would be a more immediate concern than the while you were gone notes. Like sure maybe she's ashamed of her actions leading the enemy to Thrawn but you would think with the stuff she's already gone through she'd be more pragmatic and logical.


My prediction for the finale is that there's going to be some X factor(Baylon noted in ep6 that something dark and powerful stirs on the planet) that Thrawn hasn't accounted for in his strategy leading to our team getting aboard the Chimera.
 
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Thrawn was the best part of a blah episode. I enjoyed last week quite a bit more. I'm not a huge fan of Shin. She's pretty boring to me.

I had big time expectations for this episode, and it didn't fully deliver. Perhaps my expectations were too high, but last week had me hyped for the battle
 

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Another good episode and I like the attention to detail, now that we got to see Ezra more and more close up the actor is wearing contacts to have similar dark blue eyes like in the Rebels show.

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The red stormtroopers are the same as the regular ones -- not even a crab died. What's the point where good is so OG that no battle ever really matters? It's just spin and slash -- add something cute -- rinse and repeat.

This is as exciting as watching a war where one side has paintball guns.
 

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It pales in comparison to Andor, my dude. Not even remotely close to the same quality.

I enjoyed TCW and Rebels, but I don't view this show as "vindication." It's basically just nostalgia bait.
It's my opinion and I stand by it tbh but I respect yours
Andor was ok

You might feel that but others might not.
And I'm totally fine with it
To each his own
 
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This is essentially season 5 of Rebels in live action, and it's lived up to that expectation for me. While both TCW and Rebels had some pretty heavy stuff at times, they are geared more towards the fun adventurous side of Star Wars.

Andor is the best written, acted, and directed show without a doubt. It's also much more of a serious and somber show. Which is great. I think Star Wars is a franchise that should have multiple sides and sub genres within it explored. It's somewhere I think Disney has failed. I think too often they've tried to appeal to everybody, and it's led to some subpar series because of it. I think both the Boba Fett and Obi-Wan shows should have had much darker and serious tones than they ended up having. They were both missed opportunities.
 

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Every so often a piece of media has a line of dialogue that inadvertently summarizes the shortcomings of the very plot it sits within. The video game Destiny had the infamous "I don't even have time to explain why I don't have time to explain" line, regarding its hot mess of a plot (that was rewritten and smashed back together shortly before release). In a similar vein, the Mandalorian season had Bo Katan's line regarding Mandalorians "killing each other for reasons too confusing to explain" - which perfectly summarized how much of a jumbled mess the lore surrounding the various Mandalorian factions is. And we have another example in this most recent episode of Ahsoka - when Senator Xiao says "This reads like a Children's Fairy Tale."

Let me be clear - I'm not saying Ahsoka is bad. It's leaps and bounds better than Book of Boba Fett or Obi Wan or (especially) The Mandalorian season 3.

But folks also need to be honest, plot-wise, it's pretty darn underwhelming. It starts with a macguffin fetch quest and turned into a rescue mission involving riding in the mouth of space whales and on alien doggies. This is indeed writing down to the level of "Young Adult fiction" present in much of the animated Star Wars universe. There's nothing wrong with YA Fiction, but it tends to lack a fair bit of nuance and many get bored by it. Star Wars has always been family friendly, but that don't necessarily mean childish.

Any depth of character is dependent on the viewer having watched Rebels or The Clone Wars, and largely isn't actually present in the Ahsoka series itself. A good activity for assessing a character is to describe them without using their physical appearance or profession as part of that description. Based on the Ahsoka series itself (and not the predating materials from TCW/Rebels), almost all of these characters would have pretty underwhelming descriptions in that exercise.
Ahsoka, the very titular character who even had a whole backstory episode - Stoic, Troubled...... skilled with a lightsaber? Not really much there to describe her.
Sabine - Inferiority complex, in love with Ezra, and ????
Thrawn - Imposing, supposedly manipulative, and ????

The show is supposing we feel certain ways about characters, but not really doing much to develop them as characters or make people feel attached. For instance with Thrawn, he's supposedly this cunning strategic mastermind - but his actions in the most recent episode essentially boil down to "have some of a limited supply of troopers die, get surprised when a mercenary bails, don't capture or kill anyone at all, and retreat" and then him claiming victory. As if his 20 minute fight in the middle of nowhere meaningfully slowed down any of the heroes from getting to the Chimaera. (Note - this was also an occasional problem with his depiction in Rebels, where it's essentially just "let them escape" over and over again being a supposed master plan). And let's not get started on the fact he's been working with three Night Sisters who apparently can triangulate the exact position of people in space but he just let Ezra Bridger run around within a days ride for 10 years.

And we have needlessly tacked on Hera scenes that are pretty much just there to justify that she's still a character on this show, and to set up their coming Avengers-style team-up movie that Filoni wants to do.

There's plenty to like in Ahsoka. Chopper is still hilarious. The character and setting design in the unknown regions/new galaxy have been striking. The soundtrack has been really excellent at times. There's much more "adventure" than we've gotten out of any Star Wars content since the first two seasons of The Mandalorian. The Noti are adorable. But claiming the show is on the same level as Andor is just kinda silly. Even if you prefer one "genre" of Star Wars content or another, there's plenty you can evaluate in a fairly objective manner. And the dialogue, acting, costumes, directing, cinematography, character arcs, plot, and overall writing quality in Andor is leaps and bounds better than Ahsoka.
 
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