GDT: Stanley Cup playoffs

[bicboi64]

You think Paul would have scored like he did in Tampa for the first part of the season? Or would he have been the 2 goals in 40 games guy?

We don't need him to be an offensive threat, even if he scores at his career pace, he's great 5 on 5, an area we sucked at this year and would be centring two guys who were particularly bad 5 on 5 in our own end.

Him in the line up pushes Pinto down as well, gives us more depth throughout the line up.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I always felt that the Canes and NJ were soft when we played them and could struggle in the playoffs.

There is not a lot of room for soft in the playoffs.

 

[bicboi64]

This Krak-Avs game is dope. Loads of physicality, Avs are trying to keep up the hits, but Kraken seem to be flying in cmoparison to them

 

[DueDiligence]

lol ok he's 28. Probably playing hurt because of how much winning hockey he's played and he actually competes. They won game 1 and he was great. This boards a joke the way they shit on guys when they leave. Joseph is a massive p***y and is absolutely brutal. Anyone who thinks that was a good trade is clueless.

Nick Paul 2 goals and 6 assists in his last 44 games. Guy is a stud! And the only reason I am "shitting" on him is because so many posters thought the Sens had traded away an all-star centre. Joseph and Paul are similar marginal players and maybe you are clueless for thinking otherwise.

 

[bert]

Nick Paul 2 goals and 6 assists in his last 44 games. Guy is a stud! And the only reason I am "shitting" on him is because so many posters thought the Sens had traded away an all-star centre. Joseph and Paul are similar marginal players and maybe you are clueless for thinking otherwise.

Two goals in game 7 to eliminate the leafs. Easy to cherry pick. Joseph is useless, couldnt hold his jock. If you cant see Pauls value you probably cant see much of whats going on out there. Just a brutal take on your part.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Were it not for the multiple PPs Vegas has gotten, they'd have almost nothing going against the Jets once again tonight. Kinda crazy how lopsided it's been despite the Knights being the much higher seed.

 

[bicboi64]

Were it not for the multiple PPs Vegas has gotten, they'd have almost nothing going against the Jets once again tonight. Kinda crazy how lopsided it's been despite the Knights being the much higher seed.

Broissoit is holding it down for Vegas, definitely a goalie i wouldn't mind the Sens getting.

 

[TonySoprano11]

The Rangers have looked good, but I think equally the Devils look really young and inexperienced. They are going to be a powerhouse in the coming years but right now they just don't have same savvy that the Rangers have.

Plus they are coached by a coach who has always had a ceiling of playoff mediocrity.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Welp looks like Vegas just woke up. Only took 5 periods.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Broissoit is holding it down for Vegas, definitely a goalie i wouldn't mind the Sens getting.

How much and how long though? Pretty jekyll and hyde numbers to put enormous faith.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Paul is what he is, and we know what he is because he played for us and developed with us. What he isn’t, is that flash finish and start to the season. Joseph was also great for us to end the season last year.

The big difference to me is that Joseph is younger and a way faster player. We love speed, and Jospeh uses it on the PK and to close in quick on the forecheck.

TB likes Paul’s more veteran game in their bottom six. He’s not really very physical for his size, but he’s versatile and good defensively.

All in all a decent hockey trade where each team got a little something they wanted. One thing is for sure to me though; I would not want Paul’s contract on the books at all. People think Joseph’s deal would be difficult to move, but Paul’s contract is going nowhere For a very long time.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

lol what? If they had any depth at all they would have actually won something their top end is unreal. He is brutal, has absolutely no clue how to build a winner. Look at how Tampa, Colorado and NYR fill out their depth. This post actually articulates your inability to value physicality to a tee.

This was actually the first year he has filled out the depth properly. Only took him 5 years.


Tampa has won 11 of their last 12 series they have played in. Toronto has lost 6 in a row.

They’re depth last year was fine they just had to play tampa in the first round. If they got past tampa they would have coasted to the final just as easily as the lightning did.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Vegas went from having 17 shots the entire first game to 17 shots in one period. Game has really opened up.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

New Jersey is soft as shit and you could see it during the season.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Vegas went from having 17 shots the entire first game to 17 shots in one period. Game has really opened up.

Bruce Cassidy probably gave them hell after the 1st period.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

lol what? If they had any depth at all they would have actually won something their top end is unreal. He is brutal, has absolutely no clue how to build a winner. Look at how Tampa, Colorado and NYR fill out their depth. This post actually articulates your inability to value physicality to a tee.

This was actually the first year he has filled out the depth properly. Only took him 5 years.


Tampa has won 11 of their last 12 series they have played in. Toronto has lost 6 in a row.

Our top end is unreal and we are nowhere near being a 100 point team, because Dorion has never been able to identify any type of depth. Marner and Matthews have never missed the playoffs in their NHL career because Dubas was able to surround them with proper depth.

Chabot and Brady have played 6 and 5 NHL seasons and have played like a week of meaningful of hockey, because Dorion sucks and compared to Dorion, Dubas has been a god.

and im not saying Dubas has been a god, his teams can't make it out of the first rounds and that's on him. but adding the physicality and heaviness is relatively easy. Tampa did it in one off season after they got the choker label and like you mention Avs and NYR also do it continuously.

Getting the physical depth is easy when there are tanking teams everywhere and you can flash around the 1sts, 2nds, and prospects.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

We don't need him to be an offensive threat, even if he scores at his career pace, he's great 5 on 5, an area we sucked at this year and would be centring two guys who were particularly bad 5 on 5 in our own end.

Him in the line up pushes Pinto down as well, gives us more depth throughout the line up.

Seems like you’d be in favour of a trade on Pinto, for Paul?

 

[GCK]

Two goals in game 7 to eliminate the leafs. Easy to cherry pick. Joseph is useless, couldnt hold his jock. If you cant see Pauls value you probably cant see much of whats going on out there. Just a brutal take on your part.

Paul is definitely the more useful player. I’m not willing to say Joseph is useless, but he was terrible this year and is overpaid.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Nick Paul 2 goals and 6 assists in his last 44 games. Guy is a stud! And the only reason I am "shitting" on him is because so many posters thought the Sens had traded away an all-star centre. Joseph and Paul are similar marginal players and maybe you are clueless for thinking otherwise.

People like player A over player B.

Player A must be an all star centre.

 

[Six Assets]

I’m not willing to say Joseph is useless, but he was terrible this year and is overpaid.

looks like he had a pretty standard year looking at his pervious year stats

missed the mark stone cellys!

 

[bert]

They’re depth last year was fine they just had to play tampa in the first round. If they got past tampa they would have coasted to the final just as easily as the lightning did.

They're not beating the Rangers over 7 games. No shot, not last year not this year either. If and buts are meaningless.

Seems like you’d be in favour of a trade on Pinto, for Paul?

No one said that. He clearly didn't. Just trying to stir it up again.

 

[Micklebot]

The comparison of Paul vs Joseph is natural since we traded one for the other, but it does feel at times that people are taking the best Paul has to offer and comparing it to the worst of Joseph.

Joseph certainly struggled this year, playing with Motte, Pinto, Gambrell, Brassard. None of them are good enough to carry a line, and only Pinto belongs on a third line.

When did Paul ever have linemates like that,
2018-19 and 19-20: Brown, Pageau
20-21: White, Dadonov
21-22: Brown, Sandford, Stützle
22-23: Kilorn, Colton, Stamkos

Both guys are complimentary pieces, Paul a physical defensive minded guy that can open up the ice for skilled linemates and cover up for them defensively while chipping in with some greasy goals, Joseph a speedster that can spread out the D and and force rushed decisions on the forcheck. Joseph had a poor season, no doubt, but he was also put in a position that didn't really gel with what he provides.

I like Paul more because of his versatility, he can still be an effective grinder if he doesn't have the linemates where as Joseph is more of a pure support role guy, but I didn't see us use Joseph in a way where we could get theost out of him. I think he's going to have a bounce back year if he's playing with Pinto and Greig all year.

 

[bert]

Our top end is unreal and we are nowhere near being a 100 point team, because Dorion has never been able to identify any type of depth. Marner and Matthews have never missed the playoffs in their NHL career because Dubas was able to surround them with proper depth.

Chabot and Brady have played 6 and 5 NHL seasons and have played like a week of meaningful of hockey, because Dorion sucks and compared to Dorion, Dubas has been a god.

and im not saying Dubas has been a god, his teams can't make it out of the first rounds and that's on him. but adding the physicality and heaviness is relatively easy. Tampa did it in one off season after they got the choker label and like you mention Avs and NYR also do it continuously.

Getting the physical depth is easy when there are tanking teams everywhere and you can flash around the 1sts, 2nds, and prospects.

100 percent incorrect. Toronto has filled it with soft plugs. Matthews won a Hart, and multiple rockets. Their top 4 forwards are the most productive in the league. Dubas is a terrible GM. Handed a great team and has done absolutely nothing with it.

Sens top end is very young and middle of the pack at best. They aren't the same situation. I am not defending Dorion here he isn't good either.

Its very HF for people to like Dubas. As he has no actual hockey playing experience so people can relate. Analytics based. Bottom line is he had an incredible young core and more resources than any team in the league and has done absolutely nothing with it.

 

[bicboi64]

Seems like you’d be in favour of a trade on Pinto, for Paul?

Not sure how you drew that conclusion. Pinto has more upside than Paul in terms of scoring. I'd like to have both of them since Paul can play wing as well.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

Paul's getting lambasted over on HF Tampa Bay.
Typical comment from most (but not all) posters:

"He is softest big man in the league. Skating speed is diminishing.
Not much too like about him."