Agree on all fronts. As of now, odds makers are most commonly putting LA at 4/7 (57% chance to win), which isn't far off the main board numbers you mention. Vegas doesn't do da west rulez, Vegas does billions a year in profit. If they're calling it that even, they're probably close to the mark. And the basic premise on 4/7 odds is coin toss with slight edge to the team with home advantage. Makes sense. Granted there are those loud west is da best people, but I see them a small group whose claims are so absurd that they're easy to laugh off and ignore.
Pre-Game Talk: Stanley Cup Final: New York Rangers vs. Los Angeles Kings
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Agree on all fronts. As of now, odds makers are most commonly putting LA at 4/7 (57% chance to win), which isn't far off the main board numbers you mention. Vegas doesn't do da west rulez, Vegas does billions a year in profit. If they're calling it that even, they're probably close to the mark. And the basic premise on 4/7 odds is coin toss with slight edge to the team with home advantage. Makes sense. Granted there are those loud west is da best people, but I see them a small group whose claims are so absurd that they're easy to laugh off and ignore.
Kokoschka
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I have absolutely zero problem with the main boards saying the Kings are the favorites here. They are. What I do think is funny however, is the narrative that holds up there.
First off, I'll gladly admit we faced no team of the same quality as Chicago. However, Sharp, Keith, Crawford and Hjalmarsson had their heads up their ***** for long stretches of the series. That shouldn't take anything away from the Kings. They defeated one of the best constructed teams in recent memory, the aforementioned players not playing at their potential also was in part due to the Kings' game.
Nevertheless:
Rangers erasing a 3-1 series deficit against the Penguins? Regular season 109 points? Pfrt, Pittsburgh always chokes, Flower sucks and Crosby can't handle playoff hockey.
Kings coming from a 3-0 hole against the Sharks? Nemo has a stunning .884 SV% and 3.74 GAA this series? Thornton was invisble for long stretches? Regular season 111 points? Defeated a Western Powerhouse. Anyway, how are you comparing them to the Pens, Regular Season doens't matter.
Rangers taking out Philly in 7? Flyers can't defend, they have no goaltending, their forwards choked. Mason with a .939 SV%? No1curr, everybody knows he sucks. Giroux registering 2 goals in the series? Choker.
Kings defeating Ducks in 7? Look, the Ducks had 116 points, Philly 94. That's barely a playoff team. Ducks had serious issues with their goaltending, playing no less than 3 goalies that series? Hey, that Gibson kid is going to be a star. Perry registering 2 goals the series? Great defense.
Yes, there's a bit of hyperbole in there, however, given the amount of flack the Rangers are getting on this boards, it's well warranted.
First off, I'll gladly admit we faced no team of the same quality as Chicago. However, Sharp, Keith, Crawford and Hjalmarsson had their heads up their ***** for long stretches of the series. That shouldn't take anything away from the Kings. They defeated one of the best constructed teams in recent memory, the aforementioned players not playing at their potential also was in part due to the Kings' game.
Nevertheless:
Rangers erasing a 3-1 series deficit against the Penguins? Regular season 109 points? Pfrt, Pittsburgh always chokes, Flower sucks and Crosby can't handle playoff hockey.
Kings coming from a 3-0 hole against the Sharks? Nemo has a stunning .884 SV% and 3.74 GAA this series? Thornton was invisble for long stretches? Regular season 111 points? Defeated a Western Powerhouse. Anyway, how are you comparing them to the Pens, Regular Season doens't matter.
Rangers taking out Philly in 7? Flyers can't defend, they have no goaltending, their forwards choked. Mason with a .939 SV%? No1curr, everybody knows he sucks. Giroux registering 2 goals in the series? Choker.
Kings defeating Ducks in 7? Look, the Ducks had 116 points, Philly 94. That's barely a playoff team. Ducks had serious issues with their goaltending, playing no less than 3 goalies that series? Hey, that Gibson kid is going to be a star. Perry registering 2 goals the series? Great defense.
Yes, there's a bit of hyperbole in there, however, given the amount of flack the Rangers are getting on this boards, it's well warranted.
nsvoyageurs
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The last time LA/NYR played each other in the playoffs; in 1981; shows how much hockey has changed in one respect since then:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/h...eatured-battle-royale-kings-article-1.1813656
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/h...eatured-battle-royale-kings-article-1.1813656
filth e mcnasti
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Me too, and the stupid kings fans started chanting Rangers suck. I hate them. I can't wait for sweet revenge.
Kokoschka
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So, this I what I want to happen:
1) Stick McD and Girardi on Kopitar and Gaborik. The one thing that plays to our advantage with playing Gabby is, our defenders know which spots he prefers. They know which ways he tends to go, they know how his linemates can open up space for him.
2) Let Dom Moore be Drew Doughty's shadow. He pissed off Subban. Doughty's a better player for sure, but Moore has been nothing but excellent on the forecheck and the backcheck this whole playoffs. Piss DD off. And, most importantly, take him on in the neutral zone. If he's allowed to pick up speed there, he's lethal.
3) Get St. Louis, Zuccarello, Brassard and Hagelin out against Mitchell, Greene, Schultz and Regehr (whoever of those 4 plays) as often as possible. Hagelin has speed none of those guys can match. The Brassard line has a level of skating that should allow them to skate circles around those big guys. One thing we can't rely on here though, is getting dirty goals from around the crease. I know it was a forte against MTL, but work along the boards shouldn't be relied on against those guys as well. You also have to consider Stoll, King and Lewis backchecking heavily to help their guys out. Beat them with skill.
4) Kreider and Nash against Voynov and Martinez as often as possible. This should be self explanatory. Kreider and Nash have the upper hand against those guys in skill, speed, and size. Utilize that. Kreider will be key this series. Also, Nash gets a clean slate from me. This is his chance to prove everyone in the hockey world wrong. If there was ever a point where it'd be important that he remembers he's one of the top 10 talented hockey players in the world, it's this.
5) Staal and Stralman should match up nicely against Carter, Williams and Pearson. They are 3 big guys known more for their size than their speed. Staal and Stralman tend to do a lot better against those types of players, as Affinity pointed out correctly.
1) Stick McD and Girardi on Kopitar and Gaborik. The one thing that plays to our advantage with playing Gabby is, our defenders know which spots he prefers. They know which ways he tends to go, they know how his linemates can open up space for him.
2) Let Dom Moore be Drew Doughty's shadow. He pissed off Subban. Doughty's a better player for sure, but Moore has been nothing but excellent on the forecheck and the backcheck this whole playoffs. Piss DD off. And, most importantly, take him on in the neutral zone. If he's allowed to pick up speed there, he's lethal.
3) Get St. Louis, Zuccarello, Brassard and Hagelin out against Mitchell, Greene, Schultz and Regehr (whoever of those 4 plays) as often as possible. Hagelin has speed none of those guys can match. The Brassard line has a level of skating that should allow them to skate circles around those big guys. One thing we can't rely on here though, is getting dirty goals from around the crease. I know it was a forte against MTL, but work along the boards shouldn't be relied on against those guys as well. You also have to consider Stoll, King and Lewis backchecking heavily to help their guys out. Beat them with skill.
4) Kreider and Nash against Voynov and Martinez as often as possible. This should be self explanatory. Kreider and Nash have the upper hand against those guys in skill, speed, and size. Utilize that. Kreider will be key this series. Also, Nash gets a clean slate from me. This is his chance to prove everyone in the hockey world wrong. If there was ever a point where it'd be important that he remembers he's one of the top 10 talented hockey players in the world, it's this.
5) Staal and Stralman should match up nicely against Carter, Williams and Pearson. They are 3 big guys known more for their size than their speed. Staal and Stralman tend to do a lot better against those types of players, as Affinity pointed out correctly.
silverfish
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MAKE THE EXTRA PASS AND SHOOT LOW ON QUICK. HE WILL KICK OUT REBOUNDS.
He is beatable. This team is beatable.
He is beatable. This team is beatable.
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that's a thing as well, yes. Quick's style reminds me of Tokarski's. No doubt he's much more experienced and plays on a much higer level for a long period of time now. But he's super agressive. He sometimes comes out wayyyy to far for my liking. Frolov would actually prove to bes useful in this series. Perhaps Hagelin can pull it off, he certainly has the speed to do that.
What the Kings advantage is, the defense plays adjusted to his style. They'll get rebounds away left and right as soon as they can and they will block the lane for the wraparound. They know which spots they have to cover to make Quick as effective as he is. The Habs D was used to Price and needed to adjust to Tokarski. The Kings don't need to do that.
Nevertheless, we've had shooting practice against this kind of goalie in the ECF. Now use it.
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I don't think that it matters one way or the other. Too much is made about the "western conference". It's just hockey. The nets are same size, the rules are the same, the rinks are the same. The Kings are just another team. LGR!!!
BlueshirtBlitz
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I can't believe how many people are lauding the play in this series, especially this last game.
It's really ridiculous. I really hope the Rangers come out and take Game 1, to hear the excuses of every moron counting them out.
It's really ridiculous. I really hope the Rangers come out and take Game 1, to hear the excuses of every moron counting them out.
The Rangers need to play their game. Play to their strengths. Montreal ripped Boston on the power play. 8 PPGs in 7 games. Montreal had two PPGs against the Rangers. Ulf Samuelsson runs the PK. The Rangers have faced Giroux,Crosby,Malkin and Subban. Philly's PP was pretty good. The Rangers made the adjustments. The PK has been really good in the playoffs and during the season.
The Rangers need to play fast. Chicago played fast and they gave LA fits. Their goaltender could not make the routine save. Stretch passes. LA wants to slow the game down.
Penalty killing. Use your speed. Play fast.
LA has played 21 playoff games.
They aren't facing Niemi,Stalock,Andersen,Gibbons,Hiller and Crawford in the next series.
Doughty delivered an awkward hit against Versteeg with nine minutes left in the third period. Stoll missed most of the 2nd period. Montreal had a tough physical series with Boston. The LA-Chicago series wasn't as physical as Montreal-Boston but those hits have a cumulative effect.
Gaborik-Kopitar-Brown
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Stoll-Williams
Clifford-Richards-Lewis
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Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene
LA's power play has been really good. Chicago didn't play fast all the time.
Doughty has played major minutes. Kreider,Hagelin and Pouliot on the left side. Pressure Doughty,Voynov and Greene. Nash,MSL and Zuccarello against Muzzin,Mitchell and Martinez. Muzzin and Mitchell were hanging on against Kane last night.
Saad had a really good series. Left wing speed. Chris Kreider.
The Rangers need to play fast. Chicago played fast and they gave LA fits. Their goaltender could not make the routine save. Stretch passes. LA wants to slow the game down.
Penalty killing. Use your speed. Play fast.
LA has played 21 playoff games.
They aren't facing Niemi,Stalock,Andersen,Gibbons,Hiller and Crawford in the next series.
Doughty delivered an awkward hit against Versteeg with nine minutes left in the third period. Stoll missed most of the 2nd period. Montreal had a tough physical series with Boston. The LA-Chicago series wasn't as physical as Montreal-Boston but those hits have a cumulative effect.
Gaborik-Kopitar-Brown
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Stoll-Williams
Clifford-Richards-Lewis
Muzzin-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene
LA's power play has been really good. Chicago didn't play fast all the time.
Doughty has played major minutes. Kreider,Hagelin and Pouliot on the left side. Pressure Doughty,Voynov and Greene. Nash,MSL and Zuccarello against Muzzin,Mitchell and Martinez. Muzzin and Mitchell were hanging on against Kane last night.
Saad had a really good series. Left wing speed. Chris Kreider.
Gaborik has been scoring a ton of goals just going to the net and getting passes from Kopitar. That's taken away with good positioning and awareness. Have to be sharp.
He's much like Subban and should be defended the same way IMO. Also try to get Kreider in there forechecking hard and throwing hits.
Staal must have a better series but yeah if he's not trying tomatch speed with small, speedy forwards, he should do a lot better.
Also, Rangers have to make sure they don't get caught up ice a lot and give up odd man rushes. They did pretty well at that against Montreal, so keep it up.
Basically if Quick continues to play like the average goalie he is (well, inconsistent...make brilliant saves then give up softies all the time) and Lundqvist plays as his usual self, the Rangers have a pretty big edge there and have a decent shot. Also, really really REALLY cannot ever let up against this Kings team as they've shown time and time again they'll come back at the last minute and no lead is safe against them
Would have probably preferred Chicago...that series turned into a pretty loose and freewheeling series and Chicago makes more mistakes IMO, plus the Kings can also play tight checking games that the Rangers are going to prefer and try to force. Still, can't do anything about the opponent. They should be a bit tired at this point and that could help. Rangers will just have to be at their best
The Rangers need to use their speed against the Kings as I don't think they are going to win the corner battles against the Kings. Everyone has to take a page from Zuc and when you get the puck if you have space skate like hell. This will take full effort every shift including making quick line changes. Their offense is better, D is comparable, and our goalie has been better so far this post season. If we can steal one of the first two in the series I think we have a real good shot.
Yeah that series was kind of fun but full of sloppy hockey and terrible goals
ScoreZeGoals
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I just had to speak up and say that this is a first. Everybody says Quick goes down early (which he does), shoot high.
Here's to a hard fought, entertaining series!
Ghost of jas
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When the Rangers are focused and disciplined defensively, they can be in complete lockdown mode, as witnessed most recently in the clincher against Montreal. The outside hockey world still believes it is Henke carrying this team. No mention of the speed that Hagelin and Kreider bring on the left side. No mention of Stepan's superb two-way play. No mention of how the Rangers were able to contain the likes of Giroux, Crosby or Subban, or how Moore and Boyle have been important elements to the team's success. Staal, Girardi and Klein all are equipped to handle the physical King forwards. Rangers in 6.
He does but he's so far out of the net that he cuts down the angle well enough that shooting high can be tough. Playing far out also means kicking out rebounds a lot if you shoot low into his pads too though
ScoreZeGoals
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Oh, I agree. It's just funny to see someone actually know better than just, "goalie low, shoot high" like I see referred to all the time with Quick.
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To be fair, Vegas sets the odds where they feel they will get the most bets on both sides, not where they think the odds of winning truly lie. The lines will move if betting favors one team or the other.
BroadwayBlues
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You missed my point. They have a lot less traveling miles via plane, on their legs/body.
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I wouldn't underestimate the Ragers tenacious work in the corners. It's been impressive.
Speed , tenacity, the will to win.
Rangers are a curious team. No captain. Their joy in winning each step appears gone moments after each game. Thus far, This team has focus and a determination that has been re stated by every player in every interview. For a captain less team they sure look like the leaders have them thinking right.
Brooklyndevil
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The Kings have played a ton of hockey. This series will be more to Sutter's liking, which will be the variety of 2-1, 3-2 games. They have a ton of depth, however, if Rangers can play that disciplined style that they can play, I just have a feeling about the Ranger winning this series. Good luck!
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My "blind squirrel" post from May 4, 2014"
"Glad to see Gabby doing well in Hollywood.
It will be interesting to see what happens when we play The Kings in June....."
My "blind squirrel" post from May 4, 2014"
"Glad to see Gabby doing well in Hollywood.
It will be interesting to see what happens when we play The Kings in June....."
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