Stamkos is Cooked

[Outl4w]

Well Kucherov is definitely not a product of Stamkos. STamkos seems to be a product of Kucherov at this point in his career.

 

[BallardEra]

Looks like he will retire after his current contract is up.

 

[Herregud]

I think it's a lot simpler than that. Nikita Kucherov is likely the best playmaking winger in the history of the game. Find another one of those and Stamkos will produce again.

While I don't disagree about Kucherov, Stamkos put up the most points of his career in a season where Kuch missed pretty much half of it. Tampa's system is nuts and allows crazy talented dudes to flourish.

 

[BallardEra]

While I don't disagree about Kucherov, Stamkos put up the most points of his career in a season where Kuch missed pretty much half of it. Tampa's system is nuts and allows crazy talented dudes to flourish.

He was 31 at that time though.

He's now 35 and clearly not the same player.

 

[Herregud]

He was 31 at that time though.

He's now 35 and clearly not the same player.

Agreed. I hope no one's taking it as me disparaging anything or anyone, I'm just really in awe of Tampa's program.

 

[BallardEra]

Agreed. I hope no one's taking it as me disparaging anything or anyone, I'm just really in awe of Tampa's program.

I agree.

Stamkos is a likeable dude and I'd love to see him bounce back next season.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Statistically, those extra $15m don’t make a generational difference at all.

The immediately preceding generation squanders that wealth and are most likely to not build on it at all

Poor little rich kids: Most kids from wealthy families squander their inheritance

NEW YORK - When Stephen Lovell used to visit his grandparents as a kid, it was like entering the world of Cole Porter or "The Great Gatsby."

torontosun.com

Interesting, well he could set up a second family for a bit

 

[villacco]

Stamkos is not cooked.
He is just what you can expect from a player with so much mileage (17 seasons and a lot of playoff games) and serious injuries which already slowed him down and everyone knows it.
Combining it with the fact that he is playing for a bad team and not having Kucherov as playmaker his numbers absolutly make sense. Everything else would have been surprising. He was not known as playdriver, he is still known for his shot.

A lot of good or great players are already retired after 17 seasons.
Only very few play 20 seasons and can keep up like Crosby and Ovechkin

This will be for sure his last contract.

 

[DFC]

Stamkos is not cooked.
He is just what you can expect from a player with so much mileage (17 seasons and a lot of playoff games) and serious injuries which already slowed him down and everyone knows it.
Combining it with the fact that he is playing for a bad team and not having Kucherov as playmaker his numbers absolutly make sense. Everything else would have been surprising. He was not known as playdriver, he is still known for his shot.

A lot of good or great players are already retired after 17 seasons.
Only very few play 20 seasons and can keep up like Crosby and Ovechkin

This will be for sure his last contract.

You just described "cooked."

 

[villacco]

You just described "cooked."

Nope.
He is decling a bit every year, but he is not done yet.
He is not falling off a cliff this year. He just does not have the same team around him.
Big difference

But maybe he will be cooked in a year or two

 

[qcal1427]

Nope.
He is decling a bit every year, but he is not done yet.
He is not falling off a cliff this year. He just does not have the same team around him.
Big difference

But maybe he will be cooked in a year or two

Stamkos last year: 81 points in 79 games
Stamkos this year: 46 points in 76 games

He's cooked. Nothing to be ashamed about, as you pointed out it happens to everyone not named Crosby or Ovechkin. Don't need to beat around the bush though

 

[villacco]

Stamkos last year: 81 points in 79 games
Stamkos this year: 46 points in 76 games

He's cooked. Nothing to be ashamed about, as you pointed out it happens to everyone not named Crosby or Ovechkin. Don't need to beat around the bush though

New team, new team mates. Worse team....
I don't think he is much worse than last year.

I even think he will bounce back to 55 to 60 points next year and steadily decline the last two years of his contract.

We will see.

 

[qcal1427]

New team, new team mates. Worse team....
I don't think he is much worse than last year.

I even think he will bounce back to 55 to 60 points next year and steadily decline the last two years of his contract.

We will see.

A guy that sees a significant drop off in production when they are not longer playing in the most favorable environment possible is the definition of cooked.

 

[OysterForever]

Looks like he will retire after his current contract is up.

Maybe even earlier?

 

[DFC]

Nope.
He is decling a bit every year, but he is not done yet.
He is not falling off a cliff this year. He just does not have the same team around him.
Big difference

But maybe he will be cooked in a year or two

The fact that it shouldn't be a surprise that he's cooked does not changed that he's cooked. At least "cooked" in the context of an 8m contract.

 

[JD1]

Stamkos is a prime example of elite gm versus rookie

Brisbois walks away from a franchise icon. Lifelong bolt. Captain. A guy that wanted to retire a bolt

Trots signs him to 8*4.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Stamkos is a prime example of elite gm versus rookie

Brisbois walks away from a franchise icon. Lifelong bolt. Captain. A guy that wanted to retire a bolt

Trots signs him to 8*4.

In fact Brisebois did not walk away from Stammer. Stammer walked away from Tampa. Brisebois offered him a retirement contract. The rumour was Brisebois offered an 8 year deal around $3.5m plus with a guarantee cushy office job when he retired. Stammer felt insulted by that deal and took the deal from Trotz. The money was roughly the same, but the Nashville deal was shorter and $4m more over the career.

Tampa fans told everyone the deal Trotz gave was terrible. I remember arguing with Nashville fans that Stammer was not a good fit in Nashville and that he was primed for a steep decline. One that Tampa fans had seen coming for years. The only reason no one else saw it was because Kuch was playing weekend at Bernie's with Stammers body. One Nashville fan tried telling me that Stammer would probably put up the close to the same stats because Josi and Forsberg were equal to Hedman and Kuch feeding Stammer.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

Stamkos last year: 81 points in 79 games
Stamkos this year: 46 points in 76 games

He's cooked. Nothing to be ashamed about, as you pointed out it happens to everyone not named Crosby or Ovechkin. Don't need to beat around the bush though

Hence Tampa knew what they were doing. Great organizations make the tough and unpopular decisions sometimes.

 

[stator]

Trotz went full Yzerman, and thankfully beat him out in signing Stamkos.

I didn't realize that Trotz is a GM now. He's not exactly on my radar much, but at least he didn't go full Doug Wilson and sign Stamkos to a 7 year contract.

 

[JD1]

In fact Brisebois did not walk away from Stammer. Stammer walked away from Tampa. Brisebois offered him a retirement contract. The rumour was Brisebois offered an 8 year deal around $3.5m plus with a guarantee cushy office job when he retired. Stammer felt insulted by that deal and took the deal from Trotz. The money was roughly the same, but the Nashville deal was shorter and $4m more over the career.

Tampa fans told everyone the deal Trotz gave was terrible. I remember arguing with Nashville fans that Stammer was not a good fit in Nashville and that he was primed for a steep decline. One that Tampa fans had seen coming for years. The only reason no one else saw it was because Kuch was playing weekend at Bernie's with Stammers body. One Nashville fan tried telling me that Stammer would probably put up the close to the same stats because Josi and Forsberg were equal to Hedman and Kuch feeding Stammer.

Offering stamkos a 3.5 aav was walking away. It was saying you're no longer a high end nhl player.

Trots Offering 8 aav was saying you are a high end nhl player

Insulting a franchise icon and captain is walking away

 

[Regal]

Offering stamkos a 3.5 aav was walking away. It was saying you're no longer a high end nhl player.

Trots Offering 8 aav was saying you are a high end nhl player

Insulting a franchise icon and captain is walking away

I guess it’s semantics. I wouldn’t say him getting insulted by reality is the same as walking away, but I doubt Brisebois really believed Stammer would accept something like that.

 

[glenngineer]

Stamkos last year: 81 points in 79 games
Stamkos this year: 46 points in 76 games

He's cooked. Nothing to be ashamed about, as you pointed out it happens to everyone not named Crosby or Ovechkin. Don't need to beat around the bush though

In his defense, Nashville has no one that gets him the puck on the PP in a good shooting position. It's constantly in his skates, ahead/behind him and this is where Kucherov is so good. Honestly, Nashville doesn't have any great playmakers which is causing a lot of this years problems. It's not fun to watch, you see Stamkos waiting on the dot only to receive a pass that he can't do anything with.

All that to say, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, he was a byproduct of Kuch and also one of not having guys who can pass.

 

[DFC]

In fact Brisebois did not walk away from Stammer. Stammer walked away from Tampa. Brisebois offered him a retirement contract. The rumour was Brisebois offered an 8 year deal around $3.5m plus with a guarantee cushy office job when he retired. Stammer felt insulted by that deal and took the deal from Trotz. The money was roughly the same, but the Nashville deal was shorter and $4m more over the career.

Tampa fans told everyone the deal Trotz gave was terrible. I remember arguing with Nashville fans that Stammer was not a good fit in Nashville and that he was primed for a steep decline. One that Tampa fans had seen coming for years. The only reason no one else saw it was because Kuch was playing weekend at Bernie's with Stammers body. One Nashville fan tried telling me that Stammer would probably put up the close to the same stats because Josi and Forsberg were equal to Hedman and Kuch feeding Stammer.

Yeah, the idea that anyone was gonna get juice from Stamkos like Kucherov did... I mean, Kucherov I'd just a whole different thing from a regular NHL playmaker. Or even a great one.

 

[AvStock]

Stamkos is still richer than you or your ancestors will ever be and could beat you up bad irl

 

[DFC]

Stamkos is still richer than you or your ancestors will ever be and could beat you up bad irl

I'll bet that makes Barry Trotz sleep better at night.