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Was that Dowd on the ice at the end of the game as the extra attacker with the goalie pulled? The 3rd line center with no shots on goal for the entire game?
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KingsFan7824
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When? At the literal end of the game? Was he out there when it was 2-0 and 2-1? All I was seeing was all the other, top guys that weren't scoring.
When it was 2-1 with about 2 min left there was a d zone face off and had to put quick back in. DS had two centers on ice.
The Kings play man to man coverage down low with the two D and the C. When you watch the play over again, you will notice LaDue and Muzzin have their guy covered, but Carter is out for a stroll and slow getting to his guy, and to make matters worse, he gets picked by another Blue player that Muzzin was guarding, and Perron has all day to take a few swipes at his own rebound. At best, we could have hoped for Muzzin to make a switch on coverage. That whole play was on Carter.
KingsFan7824
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Right now less would be more. He has lost complete sight of just making the simple play, and making it NOW rather than a few seconds later as a bailout option when he realizes his jukes, feints, and dekes aren't fooling many, perhaps the first guy, but not the 2nd, etc. He stands flat footed just inside our own blue line and never passes D to D to Forbort, and is always trying to go straight up the ice. Doing so never forces the opposition Center ice coverage to rotate laterally. Also, our F are caught flat footed up the ice or are still skating back toward DD when he passes to them. Make the simple regroup pass to the other D more often instead of standing there with it like you're going to figure out how you're going to conquer the world all by yourself. He even has this attitude on the offensive blueline as well. DD needs to be a facilitator and distributor, not a one man show. I blame coaching for letting this all get this far. DD is giving 110%, but it's bad hockey after awhile.
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ibleedkings
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Well at least this will be the end of DL and DS. Thanks for what you have done, we are forever grateful, but a change is what is needed.
agreed, i still like DL...just think it's time for a fresh look. Him and DS bring us two cups, can never be discounted.
TheBluePenguin
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Blues fan comes in peace !
I remember seeing a few Kings fans complaining about Muzzin and his bad play this year but I thought he played a pretty good game last night. Was this a better game for him or did I just miss the mistakes since I had a rooting interest for the opponent?
I remember seeing a few Kings fans complaining about Muzzin and his bad play this year but I thought he played a pretty good game last night. Was this a better game for him or did I just miss the mistakes since I had a rooting interest for the opponent?
KingsFan7824
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I'd say he wasn't as seemingly immobile as he's been for most of the season, but he was part of the reason that first goal for the Blues went in.
Reaper45
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Does he hang around if we stay in the black hole?
He's gotta understand it's a business. Carter is 32. Doughty needs help around him. Carter isn't going to be one of those guys.
KINGS17
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I think the organization has to present Doughty with a plan. The plan needs to show how the team can compete for a cup again within 5 years. You're right Carter won't be part of the plan.
At the time Doughty is presented with the plan the organization needs to determine if Doughty is on board and willing to make the sacrifices necessary to lead this team.
If Doughty isn't on board with the plan or isn't committed, the Kings should shop him as well. What would the Leafs give to get Doughty? Marner +?
If Kopitar doesn't return to being a 70-point 1C, none of this matters and the Kings will be a black hole team. To me, Kopitar doesn't look interested in another run, especially one where he has to step up and fill the leadership role once held by guys like Williams, Mitchell, Quick, and yes to some degree even Richards.
In terms of his mental toughness Jonathan Quick is my favorite Kings player, but if the writing is on the wall, Quick is another depreciating asset Dean should not let go to waste.
The Kings have a pretty decent assortment of young defensemen they can build on, but these guys aren't experienced enough to be legit cup contenders at this time.
A lot of big decisions to make this off season. Perhaps even who will be General Manager. In my opinion, this franchise cannot afford to take the status quo approach and return to prominence.
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lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Where do I start?
From the top? Dean Lombardi has mismanaged the team since trading for Gaborik. I don't blame him for the Brown or Kopitar deals, but nearly every transaction after the Kings won the Cup in 2014 has set the team back. Signing Gaborik was mistake #1, compounded by a whole bunch of mistakes afterwards.
Darry Sutter is a great coach, but he failed to adapt with the league. Some teams have caught up with the heavy game, and some teams have simply bypassed it for a speedier style. Now the Kings game is so predictable it's painful to watch. Get it to the point, shoot a bunch, try to get traffic, otherwise keep it around the boards.
Underperformance by a ton of players this year. Kopitar, first and foremost. Not only is he not scoring goals, his defense is not as tight. Gaborik, obviously, is done. Was done a year ago, now is just an albatross. Muzzin and his -21. Tyler Toffoli. Aye aye aye. McNabb has 4 points in 38 games. Dowd (19 points, -16) is just not a reliable 3C yet.
The team is moving to younger players, but it's too little too late now. Just hope that the Kings get a new coach and/or GM by the end of May and go a new direction.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
No argument here, he slows the game to a crawl...but I agree that's coaching and part of the system. Our only d-men to NOT do that haven't been beating into submission yet.
Well, like I said I'll be the first to say we aren't performing and I'm not going to give these guys an out, but to be fair we ARE in the PDO dumpster mostly because of shooting %, which is by far our lowest since 2012. There's been some **** luck on both sides of the puck. In 2012 it was at least just **** luck mostly offensively. But it's too late for that. I believe you can have quality AND quantity with this system as you can see in the playoffs when guys force their way to the front causing chaos, but we've gotten that minimally in the regular season.
KINGS17
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Regarding PDO, where are the Kings best players taking most of their shots?
I don't buy the luck argument.
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That's ridiculous! In the 50-year history of this franchise (that's half a century, for all you home-gamers
), only one GM has gotten the Kings a Stanley Cup. And that one GM hasn't gotten them one Cup, but two. And you want to nonchalantly discard him? Who in the hell would you replace him with? Some clown who's popular at the office? Some water-cooler miscreant who submits to the Internets the very best cat pictures? Seriously. WTF, people, WTF........
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Again, the Kings' low shooting percentage is not a product of luck. PDO is not an indication of luck. It's skill. The Kings have had a below average shooting percentage for years. That's not an accident.
At what point did the Kings' shots look remotely dangerous last night? There's a reason why the Kings shooting percentage is always low.
It blows my mind seeing people wanting coaches and general managers changed, due to players performances. Blame the players, they are the ones not shooting the puck and not making the appropriate plays.
That's ridiculous! In the 50-year history of this franchise (that's half a century, for all you home-gamers
This is what happens to fans when they're disappointed in the season. It's been an off year with plenty of reasons, but I completely agree with Basilisk here. We got 2 cups and DL attempted for more, you can't blame him for trying, just the execution. The deals the last few seasons haven't worked as planned, but we would of complained if DL stood pat as well. Tough place to be imo.
Some very good players in place here, time to fill in those blanks.
WHOneedsSOX
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Muzzin and Martinez have been really bad defensively for the Kings this season. Muzzin has terrible turnovers and Martinez still doesn't know how to cover a guy. Both have weighed down the defense mightily. Not sure how the team is top 5 (are they still?) in GAA with those two guys in the every day lineup. When they were paired together it was a guaranteed goal against every game. Muzzin is -21 this season and Martinez -13 (Would be about -4 worse if it weren't for OT).
KINGS17
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That's ridiculous! In the 50-year history of this franchise (that's half a century, for all you home-gamers
I don't think Dean Lombardi should leave the organization. He changed the culture, and the culture needs to stay. I favor him moving upstairs and letting Mike Futa take over the GM reins.
It's the logical progression, and needs to happen before the Rob Blake enthusiasts in the organization bend Uncle Phil's ear.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
You would be surprised. Mostly dangerous areas. Kings' heat chart in general is mostly goofy looking because a lot of the d-men shots are out at the blueline.
But here's Kopitar in particular vs. the rest of the league for visualization.
https://www.icydata.hockey/players/704
Do I need to go back and highlight the part where I said it's too late for that and i'm not giving these guys an out, or a previous post where I say results matter and I'm sick of saying this 40 times a year? Jesus guys, so quick to jump on an observation. It's a fact, lowest shooting % since 2012, which is low relative to the Kings. Yes I think there are reasons for it. Luck is absolutely one of them, but it's not an alibi either.
But yes, there were more dangerous opportunities last night than either of you guys will give credit for because it's not part of the narrative:
Allen played well.
Let me issue this disclaimer one last time: not excusing the goals not going in. Simply acknowledging reality. This team is better than its performance. I put it on everyone from players to coaches and will say again Sutter needs to go. If he's back next year, I may not be watching.
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