SSM Greyhounds 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

DWI Dale

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I think Kingston overpaid, but that's what happens if you're trying to make a splash AND hold onto top prospects.

The inclusion of Hopkins would have opened up doors to bringing in elite talent, but holding onto him without another highly touted prospect to offer in any deals means they had to overpay in picks.

IMO there should be no untouchables if you're going all in. This deal might get them into the 2nd or 3rd round, but is a whole lot of picks to sacrifice without getting a game breaking talent in return. My 2 cents.
 
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I think Kingston overpaid, but that's what happens if you're trying to make a splash AND hold onto top prospects.

The inclusion of Hopkins would have opened up doors to bringing in elite talent, but holding onto him without another highly touted prospect to offer in any deals means they had to overpay in picks.

IMO there should be no untouchables if you're going all in. This deal might get them into the 2nd or 3rd round, but is a whole lot of picks to sacrifice without getting a game breaking talent in return. My 2 cents.
Barrie and Oshawa are going to be hard to beat even if we made a trade that included Hopkins. Picks are picks are picks, we can compete with players we can’t do jack with picks.
 

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That's fair. But if you don't think you can contend for a cup, and want to build around Hopkins, then why waste so many picks and ship out young players ?
 
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Barrie and Oshawa are going to be hard to beat even if we made a trade that included Hopkins. Picks are picks are picks, we can compete with players we can’t do jack with picks.
True, and I'll eat my words if it happens, but I'd rather the picks in that instance. I'm not sure you can compete with those players you just got. Man, for the amount of picks you spent, you could have gotten 2 elite talents. Just my opinion tho
 

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True, and I'll eat my words if it happens, but I'd rather the picks in that instance. I'm not sure you can compete with those players you just got. Man, for the amount of picks you spent, you could have gotten 2 elite talents. Just my opinion tho
I think if they could've they would've, I can't imagine they wouldn't have checked in on he Gibson's or Pinellis of the league. It seems like teams wanted impact young players over quantity of picks and since Kingston blew their first rounder, they had none to move.

I think Kingston overpaid, but that's what happens if you're trying to make a splash AND hold onto top prospects.

The inclusion of Hopkins would have opened up doors to bringing in elite talent, but holding onto him without another highly touted prospect to offer in any deals means they had to overpay in picks.

IMO there should be no untouchables if you're going all in. This deal might get them into the 2nd or 3rd round, but is a whole lot of picks to sacrifice without getting a game breaking talent in return. My 2 cents.
I understand the whole "have to give value to get value" but the thing with Hopkins, is that they would have to replace him at 2C.

I don't think there's a lot of high end centers on the market - I absolutely would've moved Hopkins+++ for Luchanko. Kingston's depth is a big reason for how well they've done and I get the sense they wanted to keep that rather than sacrifice depth for high end players.

Will that work out? Who knows. Did they overpay for Sag trio? Yup. As far as I'm concerned at least they're trying - which feels like a long time coming.
 
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True, and I'll eat my words if it happens, but I'd rather the picks in that instance. I'm not sure you can compete with those players you just got. Man, for the amount of picks you spent, you could have gotten 2 elite talents. Just my opinion tho

Kingston gave up nothing of importance other than a 2nd pick in ‘25.
Hopkins is familiar with the team system, contributing now and improving.
I don’t recall a lot of hounds fans saying trade Martin for a chance to get beyond round two at the previous deadline.
 

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Kitchener is doing pretty well with 17 year old Romano centering the 2nd line. Ellinas is 18 years old and 1st line. Our 3rd and 4th centers are not too good….play good defensively but offer very little offensively
 

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I'd argue that a team going into the playoffs with a 17 year old 2C probably isn't going the distance, and needs to be replaced or upgraded. Unless the kids name is McJesus, McKenna or McBedard...
Who is out there to upgrade him with aside from Luchanko? Allard would possibly work but then they'd have to pick an OA to move, and then replace that OAs spot in the lineup. I can't think of any other Cs I've seen brought up in trade talks, but I could be missing someone.
 

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I don’t recall a lot of hounds fans saying trade Martin for a chance to get beyond round two at the previous deadline.

If I thought we were a bonafide contender last year I would have helped Martin pack myself.

Kitchener is doing pretty well with 17 year old Romano centering the 2nd line. Ellinas is 18 years old and 1st line. Our 3rd and 4th centers are not too good….play good defensively but offer very little offensively

If Kitchener wins a cup this year I'll stand corrected 😜
 
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If I thought we were a bonafide contender last year I would have helped Martin pack myself.



If Kitchener wins a cup this year I'll stand corrected 😜

Mike Richard was 2nd line center at 17 years old and won OHL and mem cup.
 

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Kingston gave up nothing of importance other than a 2nd pick in ‘25.
Hopkins is familiar with the team system, contributing now and improving.
I don’t recall a lot of hounds fans saying trade Martin for a chance to get beyond round two at the previous deadline.
They added the big fish without Martin. If the choice was dealing him or trading 8 picks and a player for a 4th line centre and depth defenseman then people may have felt differently.
 
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That's fair. But if you don't think you can contend for a cup, and want to build around Hopkins, then why waste so many picks and ship out young players ?
After this year our next contending year would probably be 2026-27 or 2027-28

I think they’ll plan on building around our 08s, Camden McQuaig, Adam Kelly, Nolan Buttar, Gavin Betts and then whoever we get this year with our 2 first round picks and potentially another 1st rounder for Battaglia if they want to go that route but after all the picks gone today it is my belief they will be shipping him for strictly picks perhaps similar to a lighter Carson Rehkopf package
 

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Fair example! Is having to go back over 20 years for an example making the point you want it to? 😜

I don’t know other teams history that well on the age of 2nd line centers besides Kitchener ….im a kit fan.

The funny thing is the last time won in 2007-2008 Kadri was our 2nd line center at the age of 17. So the only 2 teams I know players ages of 2nd line center…both win the OHL. Forgot about Kadri….maybe Romano will be the 3rd in a row for Kit.
 

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If Hopkins was being moved he would have been a Soo Greyhound and Kingston would have Gibson.

Maybe next year…
 
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If Hopkins was being moved he would have been a Soo Greyhound and Kingston would have Gibson.

Maybe next year…

It is possible the hounds can replicate the Gibson trade for Hopkins next season.
Gibson for Hopkins + or Gibson, Allard for Hopkins, Heyes just made no sense for Kingston.
 

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Where is the flurry of trades now that Gibson is gone. What's the hold up now?
There are still 2 days left.

I believe that one of our frequently mentioned trade chips does not want to be traded, but doesn't have a NTC, so we'll see how that works out. Perhaps we can find the right situation.
 

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with the excess of 4ths now, we should think about making the same trade that saginaw did with north bay.

send guelph a 2028 2nd and 2027 4th for a 2025 2nd. they have 3 picks in the 2nd this year and that seems a bit of a waste.

thinking ahead, if it's a decent 09 we get in the 2nd this year, he may have some value to flip the following year at the deadline for an impact player.

i know that sometimes teams value players instead of picks....may be a good scenario
 

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with the excess of 4ths now, we should think about making the same trade that saginaw did with north bay.

send guelph a 2028 2nd and 2027 4th for a 2025 2nd. they have 3 picks in the 2nd this year and that seems a bit of a waste.

thinking ahead, if it's a decent 09 we get in the 2nd this year, he may have some value to flip the following year at the deadline for an impact player.

i know that sometimes teams value players instead of picks....may be a good scenario
It was quite unusual to see a picks trade at this point in time. I agree in principle, but there's always a big flurry of those deals right before the draft. Raftis should be focused on other moves right now, at least in my opinion.
 

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Given the huge Konnor Smith trade (7 picks), one would expect that the market for a equal or superior player in Allard would be quite robust.
 

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