SSM Greyhounds 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I

[OHLfan200]

0 systems
0 plays
0 breakouts
7 minutes of PP. 2 full minutes of 5 on 3. 0 to show for it.

I’ve never seen Dean look so defeated. His body language wasn’t the same to me.

I agree. You can be a young team and still have purpose. They just look like they lack direction right now. We’ll see how they bounce back today.

 

[mag1600]

The Hounds were completely over powered by the Windsor size last night. At times, it looked ike men playing against boys.

Maybe Raftis should go into the draft promising the Hounds' brass that he would NOT draft a player under 6 feet tall whether it be a dman or forward. I know we also need skilled players but in the playoffs it is a different brand of hockey that is always played!

I hope Raftis moves who needs to be moved at the trade deadline so we improve our team for the future. This year the Hound are not going far. At this point, I don't see anybody beating London!

 

[JoeSchmo]

The Hounds were completely over powered by the Windsor size last night. At times, it looked ike men playing against boys.

Maybe Raftis should go into the draft promising the Hounds' brass that he would NOT draft a player under 6 feet tall whether it be a dman or forward. I know we also need skilled players but in the playoffs it is a different brand of hockey that is always played!

I hope Raftis moves who needs to be moved at the trade deadline so we improve our team for the future. This year the Hound are not going far. At this point, I don't see anybody beating London!

We have no brand of hockey. We have the same breakout for the last however many years. No identity. Nothing. Players can’t play if they aren’t being coached and it was very evident last night.

Dean refuses to play his young players in a rebuilding year. He’s got Hayes playing net front presence in a year where Hayes legit looks like he went backward in development. No progression to show for, no development, no swagger, no drive, nothing. This falls on Dean. How many more assistants do we need before we actually make change.

I feel like Dean might be one of the easiest coach’s for an opposing team to prepare for…

Hockey Canada recognized something since he’s not around anymore too.

 

[JoeSchmo]

Rinse and repeat

 

[Fischhaber]

1 powerplay. Absolutely insanity.

That play where Hayes was getting instigated upon and our defenseman gave up on the play, obviously expecting a whistle, was complete nonsense.

I've never seen a situation like that where the whistle wasn't blown in all of my years of watching hockey. I still don't understand.

We would have had a game tied at 6 and another powerplay, had everything else turned out the same.

 

[nelli27]

 

[Hardcore Techno]

I could be wrong, how many players on the Hounds are secretly begging to be to be traded to a contender ? The whole team

 

[OHLfan200]

I could be wrong, how many players on the Hounds are secretly begging to be to be traded to a contender ? The whole team

Could be quite a few. I was on board with keeping Mignosa/Cloutier for next year but after this past stretch, should be looking to sell the whole farm now.

I’d give Oshawa Allard, Mignosa and Gibson for Smith/Griffin and both 2nds and 3rds. Kingston’s board seems to have Schenkel as their top upgrade choice. That would give us a great return. Hopefully can find a home for Nordh and Carlisle as well.

If we trade Schenkel, we’d need to find another goalie though IMO. Miller still not consistent enough

 

[JoeSchmo]

Smiling through the pain: Canada's Andrew Gibson loves role as shot blocker at World Juniors

At 6-foot-4, Andrew Gibson is the biggest and perhaps the toughest player on Team Canada.

ottawacitizen.com

 

[Fischhaber]

Could be quite a few. I was on board with keeping Mignosa/Cloutier for next year but after this past stretch, should be looking to sell the whole farm now.

I’d give Oshawa Allard, Mignosa and Gibson for Smith/Griffin and both 2nds and 3rds. Kingston’s board seems to have Schenkel as their top upgrade choice. That would give us a great return. Hopefully can find a home for Nordh and Carlisle as well.

If we trade Schenkel, we’d need to find another goalie though IMO. Miller still not consistent enough

I don't know if I would do that trade even for Smith+Griffin+2,2,3,3

You can probably get a guy like Griffin (or close) for 2 years of an impact player like Miggy.

Consensus seems to be that a guy like Allard is worth about 2,2,3,3

I like Smith a ton, but Gibson is worth more straight up.

It's worth thinking about, but you might get more by dealing the 3 separately.

Oshawa would be massive favourites in the East if it happened though. We've never seen a trade that big that I can recall.

 

[JoeSchmo]

 

[OHLfan200]

I don't know if I would do that trade even for Smith+Griffin+2,2,3,3

You can probably get a guy like Griffin (or close) for 2 years of an impact player like Miggy.

Consensus seems to be that a guy like Allard is worth about 2,2,3,3

I like Smith a ton, but Gibson is worth more straight up.

It's worth thinking about, but you might get more by dealing the 3 separately.

Oshawa would be massive favourites in the East if it happened though. We've never seen a trade that big that I can recall.

2 2nds and 2 3rds for Allard is absolutely crazy.. Allen went for that + Jenken. There is no way a team is paying that for an OA. I’m all for being pumped that we have the best assets to sell, but we also have to be realistic. Gibson won’t go for much more than Allen did. No matter how much “better” we think he is. And we got Jack Beck for a 2nd and a 3rd. Allard is nowhere near what he was. I think a 2nd and a 3rd is a great price for Allard.

If teams want to overpay, i’m all for it. But starting your price points too high is a great way to mess up this deadline.

 

[Fischhaber]

2 2nds and 2 3rds for Allard is absolutely crazy.. Allen went for that + Jenken. There is no way a team is paying that for an OA. I’m all for being pumped that we have the best assets to sell, but we also have to be realistic. Gibson won’t go for much more than Allen did. No matter how much “better” we think he is. And we got Jack Beck for a 2nd and a 3rd. Allard is nowhere near what he was. I think a 2nd and a 3rd is a great price for Allard.

If teams want to overpay, i’m all for it. But starting your price points too high is a great way to mess up this deadline.

Allen went for 7 picks and a strong 07, not just 4 picks. I agree that Gibson will only go for a bit more, as Allen is really good.

We gave up 2,3,4, and a strong OA player just last year for a lesser player in Frasca.

Oliver Peer went for 2,3,3,4,11 and Allard is at least as good, but in a different way.

I think it's really important to look at examples and comparable trades when making a prediction on a trade return. They usually follow a similar pattern.

 

[HockeyPops]

Joe, where is the SSM option in your X poll?

 

[JoeSchmo]

Joe, where is the SSM option in your X poll?

It doesn’t exist. It’s not an option this year @HockeyPops lol

 

[Houndzfan20]

2 2nds and 2 3rds for Allard is absolutely crazy.. Allen went for that + Jenken. There is no way a team is paying that for an OA. I’m all for being pumped that we have the best assets to sell, but we also have to be realistic. Gibson won’t go for much more than Allen did. No matter how much “better” we think he is. And we got Jack Beck for a 2nd and a 3rd. Allard is nowhere near what he was. I think a 2nd and a 3rd is a great price for Allard.

If teams want to overpay, i’m all for it. But starting your price points too high is a great way to mess up this deadline.

Agreed. If we can get anywhere near 2 2nds and 2 3rds for allard, raftis would be a god lol. Hopefully a second and a 3rd.

Frasca was a proven playoff performer and built for it. Allard hasn't proven anything since his return from wjc last year and hasn't even been healthy this year let alone for a long playoff run.

Hopefully raftis can maximize assets on everyone we sell.

 

[JoeSchmo]

I don't know if I would do that trade even for Smith+Griffin+2,2,3,3

You can probably get a guy like Griffin (or close) for 2 years of an impact player like Miggy.

Consensus seems to be that a guy like Allard is worth about 2,2,3,3

I like Smith a ton, but Gibson is worth more straight up.

It's worth thinking about, but you might get more by dealing the 3 separately.

Oshawa would be massive favourites in the East if it happened though. We've never seen a trade that big that I can recall.

my gut says Gibson + a forward is heading to Oshawa for Smith, Griffen +

I’m not going to sit here and talk about the picks surrounding it but to me it makes sense for everyone. Wouldn’t be surprised if Oshawa a wants a player that will return next year to make up some assets in this deal.

Something maybe only Soo fans can attest to but any team who adds Gibson+ from Soo is getting players that know how to beat London ( we match up very good every year).

Agreed. If we can get anywhere near 2 2nds and 2 3rds for allard, raftis would be a god lol. Hopefully a second and a 3rd.

Frasca was a proven playoff performer and built for it. Allard hasn't proven anything since his return from wjc last year and hasn't even been healthy this year let alone for a long playoff run.

Hopefully raftis can maximize assets on everyone we sell.

Allard is not worth much. The more he plays the more his value goes down.

Everyone says “ he’s a former wjc player”. He shouldn’t have even been there.

 

[Fischhaber]

Agreed. If we can get anywhere near 2 2nds and 2 3rds for allard, raftis would be a god lol. Hopefully a second and a 3rd.

Frasca was a proven playoff performer and built for it. Allard hasn't proven anything since his return from wjc last year and hasn't even been healthy this year let alone for a long playoff run.

Hopefully raftis can maximize assets on everyone we sell.

We are talking about the same Jacob Frasca who had 13 points in only 19 playoff games and had played only 17 regular season games at the time of the trade due to injuries, correct?

It will be a tremendous failure by Raftis' is he gets less than what we gave for Frasca. I almost fell out of my seat laughing at the suggestion what we'd be lucky to get 2,3.

 

[Houndzfan20]

We are talking about the same Jacob Frasca who had 13 points in only 19 playoff games and had played only 17 regular season games at the time of the trade due to injuries, correct?

It will be a tremendous failure by Raftis' is he gets less than what we gave for Frasca. I almost fell out of my seat laughing at the suggestion what we'd be lucky to get 2,3.

Who cares about points? He was arguably our best forward last playoffs when Hayes disappeared after giving up a haul for him. Keep regurgitating how allard is so good and going to net us all these assets. Like Joe said, the more he plays this year, the worse it'll be.

if raftis can pull off that asinine trade of 2 2nds and 2 3rds then I will be impressed.

 

[Fischhaber]

Who cares about points? He was arguably our best forward last playoffs when Hayes disappeared after giving up a haul for him. Keep regurgitating how allard is so good and going to net us all these assets. Like Joe said, the more he plays this year, the worse it'll be.

if raftis can pull off that asinine trade of 2 2nds and 2 3rds then I will be impressed.

Someone who is arguing that he was a 'proven playoff performer' would seemingly want to demonstrate that he played a lot of games, which he didn't, and that he performed well (which he didn't). Your statement was false.

I don't really get the hate-fest on a guy who should be a fan favourite. You guys can pretend like he's a worthless piece of shit, but his play doesn't justify it. It kind of makes me sad that our fans hate a player because he's been injured instead of supporting him. That's not what Soo hockey is about.

All of these coaches who voted for him for best defensive forward, hardest working player, and most improved player are just dying to get him on their team and are talking to their GM about it. He's still been the same defensive beast this year and is still performing at a point per game pace, the best he's ever had.

 

[Houndzfan20]

Someone who is arguing that he was a 'proven playoff performer' would seemingly want to demonstrate that he played a lot of games, which he didn't, and that he performed well (which he didn't). Your statement was false.

I don't really get the hate-fest on a guy who should be a fan favourite. You guys can pretend like he's a worthless piece of shit, but his play doesn't justify it. It kind of makes me sad that our fans hate a player because he's been injured instead of supporting him. That's not what Soo hockey is about.

All of these coaches who voted for him for best defensive forward, hardest working player, and most improved player are just dying to get him on their team and are talking to their GM about it. He's still been the same defensive beast this year and is still performing at a point per game pace, the best he's ever had.

Lol nobody hates him. Everyone loves him. Everyone is just being realistic.

 

[OHLfan200]

Allen went for 7 picks and a strong 07, not just 4 picks. I agree that Gibson will only go for a bit more, as Allen is really good.

We gave up 2,3,4, and a strong OA player just last year for a lesser player in Frasca.

Oliver Peer went for 2,3,3,4,11 and Allard is at least as good, but in a different way.

I think it's really important to look at examples and comparable trades when making a prediction on a trade return. They usually follow a similar pattern.

Sorry.. Yes. He indeed went for 7 picks. Count the change if you want. Point is, a player, 2 2nds and 2 3rds is Gibson’s starting market.


I agree. Look at past trades for a pattern. And in both of those trades, Peer and Frasca, nobody else goes for more than 2 2nds. I am saying the same for Allard. I just don’t think anyone is paying more than at one 2nd for an OA.. But if they do I’ll take it

 

[OHLfan200]

Someone who is arguing that he was a 'proven playoff performer' would seemingly want to demonstrate that he played a lot of games, which he didn't, and that he performed well (which he didn't). Your statement was false.

I don't really get the hate-fest on a guy who should be a fan favourite. You guys can pretend like he's a worthless piece of shit, but his play doesn't justify it. It kind of makes me sad that our fans hate a player because he's been injured instead of supporting him. That's not what Soo hockey is about.

All of these coaches who voted for him for best defensive forward, hardest working player, and most improved player are just dying to get him on their team and are talking to their GM about it. He's still been the same defensive beast this year and is still performing at a point per game pace, the best he's ever had.

I certainly believe that Allard is an upgrade at OA for about every contender in this league. Not hating the player… ?? …, like Houndz20 said I’m just being realistic about the market. He is a Frasca/Peer type add.

 

[Savard18]

Sorry.. Yes. He indeed went for 7 picks. Count the change if you want. Point is, a player, 2 2nds and 2 3rds is Gibson’s starting market.


I agree. Look at past trades for a pattern. And in both of those trades, Peer and Frasca, nobody else goes for more than 2 2nds. I am saying the same for Allard. I just don’t think anyone is paying more than at one 2nd for an OA.. But if they do I’ll take it

I wouldn’t use that Peer trade to justify anything other than McParlan’s stupidity but Allard is better than Peer hands-down.

 

[rve24]

Someone who is arguing that he was a 'proven playoff performer' would seemingly want to demonstrate that he played a lot of games, which he didn't, and that he performed well (which he didn't). Your statement was false.

I don't really get the hate-fest on a guy who should be a fan favourite. You guys can pretend like he's a worthless piece of shit, but his play doesn't justify it. It kind of makes me sad that our fans hate a player because he's been injured instead of supporting him. That's not what Soo hockey is about.

All of these coaches who voted for him for best defensive forward, hardest working player, and most improved player are just dying to get him on their team and are talking to their GM about it. He's still been the same defensive beast this year and is still performing at a point per game pace, the best he's ever had.

Hyperbole supposed to help your argument lol? From the outside I don't see "our fans hate a player" or that "he is a worthless piece of shi....." lol. Your just making stuff up.
Allard will be worth what someone offers n SSM accepts if moved.