Confirmed with Link: Spezza tenders resignation - Update 6/14 Named Penguins AGM

[A1LeafNation]

Yeah, no way Dubas didn't have this whole thing schemed up and that Monday press conference was nothing more than window dressing.

So? If my employer was fking around and waiting until the last minute to give me a contract offer. You bet your ass I'm shopping my services around elsewhere.

 

[ToneDog]

How did Kyle backstab Shanahan lmao? Shanahan fired him. Not the other way around. He asked for more money and for Shanny to let him do his job without interfering so much. Hardly a back stab.

If that is a serious question, perhaps you should ask why Shanny fired him when he was all set to extend him?

 

[LeafGrief]

Y'all pretending this is some soap opera shit lmao. No doubt that Dubas and Spezza are tied at the hip now, but this isn't a nefarious scheme that was necessarily concocted beforehand. Executives bring their people with them, this is nothing new. The only difference is that Spezza has enough name recognition that people bother to care.

 

[ULF_55]

Spezza picked sides early in the Dubas vs Shanny clash. So probably not surprising this happens.

Bit of a pity the Spezza in Toronto storyline ended this way

Nothing wrong with getting more training before he takes his next step.

 

[ToneDog]

So? If my employer was fking around and waiting until the last minute to give me a contract offer. You bet your ass I'm shopping my services around elsewhere.

If you believe Shanny an extension was in the works for at least a month. If anybody was waiting around it was Shanny while Kyle planned his best et tu brute ??

 

[francis246]

If that a serious question, perhaps you should ask why Shanny fired him when he was all set to extend him?

Shanny fired him because Shanny has an ego to protect. Shanny Is equally full of shit IMO. How can you sit there and say I trust this guy, I like his work and the job he’s done. Then be mad he asks for a bit more autonomy. If he was really confident in Dubas he would have found a way to work things out.

 

[ULF_55]

How did Kyle backstab Shanahan lmao? Shanahan fired him. Not the other way around. He asked for more money and for Shanny to let him do his job without interfering so much. Maybe a hard pill for Shanny to swallow but hardly a back stab.

This whole situation seems to be really blown out of proportion and we’ve only heard one side. So until others in the organization and Dubas himself spill on what happened the last year or so. We can’t just take Shanny’s word as gospel.

Kind of the butt-hurt Leafy thing.

If you have or had kids you know ...

 

[ToneDog]

Shanny fired him because Shanny has an ego to protect. Shanny Is equally full of shit IMO. How can you sit there and say I trust this guy, I like his work and the job he’s done. Then be mad he asks for a bit more autonomy. If he was really confident in Dubas he would have found a way to work things out.

That we can agree on. Like you say we need to hear Kyle's side. Until then, he left an odour before he left IMO. Asking for more money last minute was the wrong way to go about getting more money and autonomy and playing the family card was not a good look on Dubas IMO.

 

[ULF_55]

Interested to see how it goes in Pittsburgh.

 

[francis246]

That we can agree on. Like you say we need to hear Kyle's side. Until then, he left an odour before he left IMO. Asking for more money last minute was the wrong way to go about getting more money and autonomy and playing the family card was not a good look on Dubas IMO.

I don’t think Dubas lied about the family part though. I think both are true. I don’t know for fact, but it’s probably very likely that his family may have said. Listen you can probably do this job in another market that is less stressful and where they will trust you to make the decisions. Coming home this stressed is affecting our home life. If they want you back then you need to be paid more and have a bigger role to make it worth it. Otherwise you’re better off working somewhere else where you’ll be better appreciated and happier.

I personally believe that was the conversation he and his wife had and I don’t see a problem with that. Again I’d love to hear Kyle’s side. But just from doing some research I think that’s the most logical scenario. I think things in the last year were contentious at certain points between Dubas and Shanny.

A lot of people like to think the Maple Leafs job is the best job in the world and you’d be dumb to leave it. I don’t think all GM’s think like that. It’s a great job/opportunity but there’s 30 other places to work and you could be happier in at least 20 of the other places.

 

[LeafSteel]

No problems with it.

I liked Spezza and wish him well.

Now Dubas needs to take Keefe to Pittsburgh so the 3 Amigos can continue on.

 

[Wiseguys]

Looks like Pridham might be next after the draft is completed going to Pittsburgh. Not unless Shanaham makes him an offer he can't refuse. " Either your brains or your signature would be on the contract "

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Spezza and Dubas can GTFO.

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From my understanding Shanny didn't renew Kyle's contract due to Kyle's proposal for more money and asking for Presidential powers. Moreover Shanny felt that Kyle was unsure of his dedication to being TOR's GM due the reference to his family struggles.

I think deep down Shanny felt betrayed. Kyle knew all along that he was going to PIT. Shanny went to bat for him so long. Moved on from Hunter/Lou. All to have Kyle demand more money and be President of hockey operations (lite).

f*** Spezza. He wants to follow an ungrateful fraud like Dubas to Pittsburgh? He's in for a shock when he discovers how few scruples Kyle actually has.

Good riddance.

 

[Buds17]

Shanny fired him because Shanny has an ego to protect. Shanny Is equally full of shit IMO. How can you sit there and say I trust this guy, I like his work and the job he’s done. Then be mad he asks for a bit more autonomy. If he was really confident in Dubas he would have found a way to work things out.

Shanahan liked the work Dubas had done as GM. Dubas then "apparently" proceeded to ask for the autonomy and pay consistent of a POHO "behind the scenes" while mentioning he was unsure about remaining as Leaf GM during a live presser. I'd say that Shanahan fired Dubas to protect/retain his own job and Dubas wasn't returning to the Leafs for anything less than what he currently has with Pittsburgh.

 

[francis246]

Shanahan liked the work Dubas had done as GM. Dubas then "apparently" proceeded to ask for the autonomy and pay consistent with a POHO "behind the scenes" while mentioning he was unsure about remaining as Leaf GM during a live presser. I'd say that Shanahan fired Dubas to protect/retain his own job and Dubas wasn't returning to the Leafs for anything less than what he currently has with Pittsburgh.

Do you think Dubas just all of a sudden decided he wants more autonomy? That’s why I want Dubas at some point to speak on it. Because I’m not 100% buying Shanny’s version. I think some of the reports are true, Shanny probably started blocking or saying no to certain decisions.

Or maybe it was Shanny’s decision to actually hand out the contracts and Dubas took all the heat for him. We have no idea what the relationship was like. The more that’s coming out, the more it seems like Shanahan has been the most in love/loyal to the core four.

 

[Peasy]

Shanahan liked the work Dubas had done as GM. Dubas then "apparently" proceeded to ask for the autonomy and pay consistent with a POHO "behind the scenes" while mentioning he was unsure about remaining as Leaf GM during a live presser. I'd say that Shanahan fired Dubas to protect/retain his own job and Dubas wasn't returning to the Leafs for anything less than what he currently has with Pittsburgh.

Exactly. Don't think its rocket science to figure out how it played out.

 

[TakeTheBody]

The more we look behind the curtain the more flawed things seem to be. Shanny is just a figurehead in a suit or sweater. Dubas I liked, but he's far from perfect and the way he left was weak. Keefe I just don't see how he can return as coach. People want the core and the team blown up. I prefer the coach and above be blown up.

 

[GoonieFace]

I just picture the movie poster of Dumb and Dumber when I think of Dubas and Spezza

 

[A1LeafNation]

If you believe Shanny an extension was in the works for at least a month. If anybody was waiting around it was Shanny while Kyle planned his best et tu brute ??

A month? Yeah that's not gonna fly... at least for me.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Spezza firmly solidifies himself as a stooge, good on him.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Wow the Leafs lost a tonne of management experience

 

[ULF_55]

Dubas was put on the clock when he wasn't extended going into the season.

At that point he was told prepare to be let go.

If you're a contractor and told you may or may not be extended you're going to be proactive.

 

[justashadowof]

I think deep down Shanny felt betrayed. Kyle knew all along that he was going to PIT. Shanny went to bat for him so long. Moved on from Hunter/Lou. All to have Kyle demand more money and be President of hockey operations (lite).

The one thing we've never heard one way or another is whether it was Shanahan's decision to not offer Dubas an extension before the 2022-23 season or the Board's decision. I strongly suspect it was the Board's decision. It may even have been a compromise between Shanahan and the Board to save Dubas from the knife for the team's poor performances in the post season. It set up the scenario where Shanahan acted the part of Dubas' advocate to the Board nearing the end of the season getting them to sign off on an extension offer that Dubas waffled on.

If the above is how it went, and this is the most likely the way it went, how could Shanahan feel anything other than betrayed? This is end of a personal relationship kind of stuff.

 

[Buds17]

Do you think Dubas just all of a sudden decided he wants more autonomy? That’s why I want Dubas at some point to speak on it. Because I’m not 100% buying Shanny’s version. I think some of the reports are true, Shanny probably started blocking or saying no to certain decisions.

Or maybe it was Shanny’s decision to actually hand out the contracts and Dubas took all the heat for him. We have no idea what the relationship was like. The more that’s coming out, the more it seems like Shanahan has been the most in love/loyal to the core four.

I'd simply be curious to understand when Dubas had the Pittsburgh interest/offer to use as leverage? Ultimately, I wouldn't expect either of Shanahan or Dubas to discuss the matter further as neither good nor reason could possibly come out of doing so with both sides having since moved onward and forward.

 

[justashadowof]

Dubas was put on the clock when he wasn't extended going into the season.

At that point he was told prepare to be let go.

If you're a contractor and told you may or may not be extended you're going to be proactive.

If this was the Board's decision to not extend Dubas, driving Dubas to seek employment elsewhere may have always been the plan. There's this assumption that everyone likes Kyle Dubas. I'm going to offer up the idea that there are some people who really don't like the guy and some of them may be in high places.