Speculation: Speculation, rumours and trade & free agency ideas thread

[Daximus]

Let's hope today is as exciting as yesterday. Come on Chevy make a splah.

 

[CanMerc]

Let's hope today is as exciting as yesterday. Come on Chevy make a splah.

I still think Helle to FLA makes the most sense.
He’s signed long enough for them to get a good run with their currant core at an affordable hit…he’s a damn good goalie with playing history with some of their players and their head coach…and he has the drive and ambition to get a cup for his legacy as it’s really the only thing he’s missing


Chances are this is why it won’t happen…lol

 

[Gil Fisher]

BUF Helenius, #20, UPL
FLA Lundell, #40
NJD Mercer, #12, Yegorev

Can't see another fit.

 

[Daximus]

BUF Helenius, #20, UPL
FLA Lundell, #40
NJD Mercer, #12, Yegorev

Can't see another fit.

That seems like all of them. Hopefully we can find something that works. Chevy is a grinder but maybe he's being to patient.

 

[Classic16]

I thought Rosen was fine, sure he didn't produce but look he spent most of his time playing with and he was still adapting to a different team. The kid just turned 23, let us give him some time, I would still take him over keeping Stan for example any day of the week and we got a pick on top of it.

He also has chemistry with Ostlund and Helenius, if we can grab one, that can jump start a 3rd line.

 

[CanMerc]

BUF Helenius, #20, UPL
FLA Lundell, #40
NJD Mercer, #12, Yegorev

Can't see another fit.

My takes…
BUF- Trading Helenius for a goalie when they are low on C’s makes no sense…I could see them using some of their new assets to make a play for Robert Thomas again…#4, Helenius, +…makes a lot more sense than trading for Helle
FLA- I’m thinking and hoping this is the one that gets done…just makes to much sense and works for both teams
NJD- Mercer is more a winger at this point I think

 

[Classic16]

I find it kind of ironic that even Winnipeg Jets players have certain teams they don't want to go to...

People probably have coaches and players they dont want to play with.

 

[CanMerc]

People probably have coaches and players they dont want to play with.

Coaches, players, GMs, locations, etc..

 

[Classic16]

I still think Helle to FLA makes the most sense.
He’s signed long enough for them to get a good run with their currant core at an affordable hit…he’s a damn good goalie with playing history with some of their players and their head coach…and he has the drive and ambition to get a cup for his legacy as it’s really the only thing he’s missing


Chances are this is why it won’t happen…lol

Florida is still trying to make a deal with Bob. They're running out of time. Helle has to be theyre second option, but obv thats not free like Bob is.

 

[Classic16]

Coaches, players, GMs, locations, etc..

From winnipeg, every location is probably better lol

 

[JohnnyKnox]

Sounds like Chevy isn't getting any good offers for Helle, according to Dreger. 33 coming off a down year sure isn't opening up the market as much as people hoped.

 

[CanMerc]

Florida is still trying to make a deal with Bob. They're running out of time. Helle has to be theyre second option, but obv thats not free like Bob is.

Bob is also older, so they risk being in the position of looking for a new goalie again in a year or 2…I think they’re stupid keeping Bob

 

[CanMerc]

Sounds like Chevy isn't getting any good offers for Helle, according to Dreger. 33 coming off a down year sure isn't opening up the market as much as people hoped.

We might be keeping him another year…let him play his value up

 

[Maukkis]

I lurked the Sabres boards. They unanimously want to draft with 4 OA and unanimously don't want Hellebuyck in exchange for it.

Interesting approach. Losing Byram and potentially Tuch after the first playoff run in 15 years hurts, so the natural fix is... let's check... to hate the idea of strengthening the roster with pieces that aren't contributing next year? Do I have this right?

I thought the blueprint of a WPG-BUF trade for Hellebuyck was clear as day 24 hours ago, and now things have changed and it's even clearer. We take on UPL and Norris, which gives them the cap flexibility to keep Tuch. For that, we charge either #4+, Helenius+, or Östlund++. If they bite on McLeod+UPL instead of Norris+UPL, that works too (just don't think the cap does for the Sabres). One plus means a minor piece.

We can afford to take the gamble on whether Norris is healthy enough, because we'll be left for a top C prospect for our troubles anyway. UPL is a good enough replacement for now - we aren't going to be better next year, but if we're dealing Hellebuyck, that's just how it is.

They'll be left with two of Östlund/Helenius/"Björck/Malhotra/Stenberg" to sort out their forward depth chart. Part of the value prop for the Sabres is getting to keep Tuch without jeopardising their long-term extension to Benson. They improve their goaltending massively.

It makes so much sense. What doesn't make sense is for Buffalo to look at their current situation and decide that keeping all their futures is worth it. Thompson, Samuelsson, and Dahlin are all in their prime - now it's not the time to wait for the next wave to roll around.

 

[Daximus]

Interesting approach. Losing Byram and potentially Tuch after the first playoff run in 15 years hurts, so the natural fix is... let's check... to hate the idea of strengthening the roster with pieces that aren't contributing next year? Do I have this right?

I thought the blueprint of a WPG-BUF trade for Hellebuyck was clear as day 24 hours ago, and now things have changed and it's even clearer. We take on UPL and Norris, which gives them the cap flexibility to keep Tuch. For that, we charge either #4+, Helenius+, or Östlund++. If they bite on McLeod+UPL instead of Norris+UPL, that works too (just don't think the cap does for the Sabres). One plus means a minor piece.

We can afford to take the gamble on whether Norris is healthy enough, because we'll be left for a top C prospect for our troubles anyway. UPL is a good enough replacement for now - we aren't going to be better next year, but if we're dealing Hellebuyck, that's just how it is.

They'll be left with two of Östlund/Helenius/"Björck/Malhotra/Stenberg" to sort out their forward depth chart. Part of the value prop for the Sabres is getting to keep Tuch without jeopardising their long-term extension to Benson. They improve their goaltending massively.

It makes so much sense.

Became it makes sense, is probably why it won't happen.

 

[Maukkis]

Became it makes sense, is probably why it won't happen.

That's more or less been the story of my following of the Jets for the last half a decade.

 

[CanMerc]

Interesting approach. Losing Byram and potentially Tuch after the first playoff run in 15 years hurts, so the natural fix is... let's check... to hate the idea of strengthening the roster with pieces that aren't contributing next year? Do I have this right?

I thought the blueprint of a WPG-BUF trade for Hellebuyck was clear as day 24 hours ago, and now things have changed and it's even clearer. We take on UPL and Norris, which gives them the cap flexibility to keep Tuch. For that, we charge either #4+, Helenius+, or Östlund++. If they bite on McLeod+UPL instead of Norris+UPL, that works too (just don't think the cap does for the Sabres). One plus means a minor piece.

We can afford to take the gamble on whether Norris is healthy enough, because we'll be left for a top C prospect for our troubles anyway. UPL is a good enough replacement for now - we aren't going to be better next year, but if we're dealing Hellebuyck, that's just how it is.

They'll be left with two of Östlund/Helenius/"Björck/Malhotra/Stenberg" to sort out their forward depth chart. Part of the value prop for the Sabres is getting to keep Tuch without jeopardising their long-term extension to Benson. They improve their goaltending massively.

It makes so much sense. What doesn't make sense is for Buffalo to look at their current situation and decide that keeping all their futures is worth it. Thompson, Samuelsson, and Dahlin are all in their prime - now it's not the time to wait for the next wave to roll around.

See…I went the other way…I think with what they now have in assets, they should chase Thomas again…upgrade their C

 

[tbcwpg]

Interesting approach. Losing Byram and potentially Tuch after the first playoff run in 15 years hurts, so the natural fix is... let's check... to hate the idea of strengthening the roster with pieces that aren't contributing next year? Do I have this right?

I thought the blueprint of a WPG-BUF trade for Hellebuyck was clear as day 24 hours ago, and now things have changed and it's even clearer. We take on UPL and Norris, which gives them the cap flexibility to keep Tuch. For that, we charge either #4+, Helenius+, or Östlund++. If they bite on McLeod+UPL instead of Norris+UPL, that works too (just don't think the cap does for the Sabres). One plus means a minor piece.

We can afford to take the gamble on whether Norris is healthy enough, because we'll be left for a top C prospect for our troubles anyway. UPL is a good enough replacement for now - we aren't going to be better next year, but if we're dealing Hellebuyck, that's just how it is.

They'll be left with two of Östlund/Helenius/"Björck/Malhotra/Stenberg" to sort out their forward depth chart. Part of the value prop for the Sabres is getting to keep Tuch without jeopardising their long-term extension to Benson. They improve their goaltending massively.

It makes so much sense. What doesn't make sense is for Buffalo to look at their current situation and decide that keeping all their futures is worth it. Thompson, Samuelsson, and Dahlin are all in their prime - now it's not the time to wait for the next wave to roll around.

From the reports that are out there now, Tuch is gone. "Cap flexibility" to re-sign him doesn't matter much if he's decided he's not sticking around.

So the question they need to ask themselves is, are they better off with Hellebuyck but minus Helenius/Östlund/Byram? Better off enough that they can compete right now? That's assuming that Hellebuyck sees that Tuch is likely gone and Byram is out and decides to waive to go there anyway.

I know the answer on this board would probably be don't trade 4th overall and a young roster player for a 33 year old goaltender.

I think they'd probably be better suited to use it for more skaters than a goaltender, myself.

See…I went the other way…I think with what they now have in assets, they should chase Thomas again…upgrade their C

I agree they should use it to focus on an upgrade at forward but I doubt Thomas waives his no trade for Buffalo at this point.

 

[CanMerc]

From the reports that are out there now, Tuch is gone. "Cap flexibility" to re-sign him doesn't matter much if he's decided he's not sticking around.

So the question they need to ask themselves is, are they better off with Hellebuyck but minus Helenius/Östlund/Byram? Better off enough that they can compete right now? That's assuming that Hellebuyck sees that Tuch is likely gone and Byram is out and decides to waive to go there anyway.

I know the answer on this board would probably be don't trade 4th overall and a young roster player for a 33 year old goaltender.

I think they'd probably be better suited to use it for more skaters than a goaltender, myself.



I agree they should use it to focus on an upgrade at forward but I doubt Thomas waives his no trade for Buffalo at this point.

I don’t know if he would or not…apparently when they tried for him last season, it never got to the asking for him to waive point.
There’s also Larkin…but Buffalo seems to have the same issues attracting talent as we do.
Maybe McTavish works for them

 

[gojetsgo]

I hope we get another day of big trades lol

 

[CanMerc]

I hope we get another day of big trades lol

As long as it’s not Reilly to WPG

 

[Mooche]

Florida went from seeming like the most likely destination to one of the most unlikely trade partners for me.

It seems like a tough task to put something together if they aren't budging off Lundell. Especially with Mackie + 9OA now out the door and gone.

 

[Daximus]

As long as it’s not Reilly to WPG

I'd be okay with Rielly if he can be had for cheap. He's an upgrade on Fleury.

 

[CanMerc]

I hope we get another day of big trades lol

Looks like Dregs is feeling neglected

 

[DRW204]

obviously BUF getting the 4th overall pick, first time in nearly 20 years a known top 5 pick was exchanged is insane. But think STL did extremely well too with the Kyrou trade.