Speculation: Speculation, rumours and fanciful ideas on trades, Free Agents and arriving prospects 25/26 season

[gojetsgo]

Cond. 2029 1st + Connelly + W. Karlsson, I presume. The return doesn't have to be mind-blowing when your list of destinations has two teams that have traded all their futures away for a couple of years straight, and another team that just sacrificed four of their first round selections from the period of 2020-2026.

That said, Florida has a better individual asset to trade (9th OA, no good prospects though), and Minnesota can offer up a better package of prospects (Yurov, Stramel) and picks that become available two years earlier.

I don't see detroit having interest in that at all, a late 1st, a 33 year old with 1 year left(who has been injured the last two years) and a non blue chip prospect

 

[Maukkis]

I don't see detroit having interest in that at all, a late 1st, a 33 year old with 1 year left(who has been injured the last two years) and a non blue chip prospect

I wouldn't have interest either. But that is probably quite close to the top of the range of value they can expect to receive from those teams. Maybe they could squeeze someone like Ihs-Wozniak from Vegas on top of that package, or get two 1sts and Stramel from Minnesota, but the teams involved just don't have much of anything interesting to trade. It's going to have to be quantity over (top) quality, unless I'm missing something.

This is going to be a tough one for Detroit. Trade requests don't need to be honoured, but when it's your captain... that doesn't seem like something you can just let go on till the start of the season.

E: 8th + Yager would top anything those three teams would/could realistically offer, sans 9 + Lundell from Florida.

 

[gojetsgo]

I wouldn't have interest either. But that is probably quite close to the top of the range of value they can expect to receive from those teams. Maybe they could squeeze someone like Ihs-Wozniak from Vegas on top of that package, or get two 1sts and Stramel from Minnesota, but the teams involved just don't have much of anything interesting to trade. It's going to have to be quantity over (top) quality, unless I'm missing something.

This is going to be a tough one for Detroit. Trade requests don't need to be honoured, but when it's your captain... that doesn't seem like something you can just let go on till the start of the season.

E: 8th + Yager would top anything those three teams would/could realistically offer, sans 9 + Lundell from Florida.

I think they end up getting him to add more teams that would actually give better packages and if he doesn't they just keep him until he does, centers are too hard to find in the league, can't be giving them up for much less then they are worth

 

[Maukkis]

I think they end up getting him to add more teams that would actually give better packages and if he doesn't they just keep him until he does, centers are too hard to find in the league, can't be giving them up for much less then they are worth

I don't think it's all that simple to just keep him until he accepts a trade somewhere with better futures to trade, but I certainly hope they can find a better solution than being forced into a bad trade.

 

[gojetsgo]

I don't think it's all that simple to just keep him until he accepts a trade somewhere with better futures to trade, but I certainly hope they can find a better solution than being forced into a bad trade.

I think it's that simple, he has 5 years left, center is the hardest position to fill, if you aren't getting good enough offers from the 3 teams he has he can add more teams or he can report back to detriot, I don't think yzerman is going to be bullied into a trade that he doesn't like

 

[Maukkis]

GET RID OF THE NO TRADE CLAUSES FFS

I'm not saying that Larkin's situation is at all comparable to what I'm going to say next, but Yzerman has given trade protection to Copp, Compher, and you guessed it, Ben Chiarot.

Maybe GMs should refuse to put those clauses into the contracts they themselves sign?

 

[Maukkis]

I think it's that simple, he has 5 years left, center is the hardest position to fill, if you aren't getting good enough offers from the 3 teams he has he can add more teams or he can report back to detriot, I don't think yzerman is going to be bullied into a trade that he doesn't like

And when your captain is getting booed the second he steps onto the ice at Joe Louis Arena on the opening night of the season, the simplicity is no longer there.

 

[gojetsgo]

And when your captain is getting booed the second he steps onto the ice at Joe Louis Arena on the opening night of the season, the simplicity is no longer there.

if he doesn't like getting boo'd he can expand his list of teams then... I think most detriot fans would rather hold onto him then get a subpar return as well

 

[Warhead77]

Agreed no cap and we wouldn't be in the league but the no trade clauses affect us almost as much. It's too bad alot of players want to only play in certain cities, lower tax rate, good weather, and a winning team. Very tough for a team in Winnipeg to win a Cup that's for sure.

Correct. But its probably hurting us more. At least now after been back in the league for 15 years.

 

[tbcwpg]

if he doesn't like getting boo'd he can expand his list of teams then... I think most detriot fans would rather hold onto him then get a subpar return as well

I think you're overestimating who's going to get the most of the vitriol from a fanbase who's captain has played 5 playoff games total in his career behind a collapsed Yzerplan.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think you're overestimating who's going to get the most of the vitriol from a fanbase who's captain has played 5 playoff games total in his career behind a collapsed Yzerplan.

I think you are underestimating yzerman if you think he's just going to honour a trade request that gives him 3 teams that don't have the best offers

 

[tbcwpg]

I think you are underestimating yzerman if you think he's just going to honour a trade request that gives him 3 teams that don't have the best offers

He might not, but I don't think there's any fan leverage here. Yzerman doesn't have to trade him at all, but there's a point where the distraction is not worth it.

 

[Board Bard]

and that's how you wreck a team's culture, spirit and any confidence

Don't worry. Chipman will hold on to all the losers and the team will maintain its culture of losing, its loser spirit and its misplaced confidence.

 

[gojetsgo]

He might not, but I don't think there's any fan leverage here. Yzerman doesn't have to trade him at all, but there's a point where the distraction is not worth it.

I don't think there is fan leverage either, I'm not the one who brought it up, I just said if larkin doesn't like the booing he can expand after it was brought up that he would be boo'd if they didn't trade him, I just don't see a world where yzerman just takes a bad deal just to get him off the team, I expect him to end up expanding his list of teams anyways

 

[DRW204]

Don't worry. Chipman will hold on to all the losers and the team will maintain its culture of losing, its loser spirit and its misplaced confidence.

Did you have a chance to eat breakfast before drinking your cups of stupid today?

 

[WolfHouse]

and that's how you wreck a team's culture, spirit and any confidence

Honest question, don’t you think the old and slow additions wrecked the team culture this past season? Those last four games of the year honestly scare me about the Jets moving forward… that was not ‘giving it all’ to the end.

Going to presidents cup to last in January kills a culture… going from 7th last in the league to still out of the playoffs but starting a rebuild, not sure thats any worse

 

[Daximus]

and that's how you wreck a team's culture, spirit and any confidence

Oh it would gut us.

 

[Daximus]

I think it's that simple, he has 5 years left, center is the hardest position to fill, if you aren't getting good enough offers from the 3 teams he has he can add more teams or he can report back to detriot, I don't think yzerman is going to be bullied into a trade that he doesn't like

I think you're giving Yzerman to much credit. He's on the tail end of a failed rebuild where they haven't made the playoffs in 10 years. They're homegrown hometown captain just asked for a trade because he doesn't get along with Yzerman and it's very likely he's on very very thin ice right now. If his name wasn't Steve Yzerman he'd probably be fired already.

Ownership isn't going to just wait until he finds the best package available. They are going to want to avoid going into the season with Larkin on the ice because it's a massive pain in the ass distraction. They'll probably field offers from whoever and ask if he'll waive but ultimately they probably trade him to Minnesota and just take the Yurov, Stramel and a 27 1st among potentially a few other things. I can't see this going to deep into the summer.

 

[Daximus]

whoever we trade Helle to will presumably finish high enough that their 2027 first becomes not much better than a high 2nd rounder.

Potentially. But that will be the case when we eventually trade any of our core guys. If and when that happens hopefully Chevy will be able to squeeze them for unprotected 1sts.

 

[CanMerc]

Agreed no cap and we wouldn't be in the league but the no trade clauses affect us almost as much. It's too bad alot of players want to only play in certain cities, lower tax rate, good weather, and a winning team. Very tough for a team in Winnipeg to win a Cup that's for sure.

NMC basically breaks down to No Manitoba Clause

 

[gojetsgo]

I think you're giving Yzerman to much credit. He's on the tail end of a failed rebuild where they haven't made the playoffs in 10 years. They're homegrown hometown captain just asked for a trade because he doesn't get along with Yzerman and it's very likely he's on very very thin ice right now. If his name wasn't Steve Yzerman he'd probably be fired already.

Ownership isn't going to just wait until he finds the best package available. They are going to want to avoid going into the season with Larkin on the ice because it's a massive pain in the ass distraction. They'll probably field offers from whoever and ask if he'll waive but ultimately they probably trade him to Minnesota and just take the Yurov, Stramel and a 27 1st among potentially a few other things. I can't see this going to deep into the summer.

I'm really not giving him to much credit lol, I don't think any gm would just trade for a terrible return because he could be a distraction

what's worse, a distraction while you wait for a good package or trading the hardest position to fill in the nhl for a terrible return?




also friedman said he heard a different team then those 3 so we might not even have his full list

 

[Daximus]

I'm really not giving him to much credit lol, I don't think any gm would just trade for a terrible return because he could be a distraction

what's worse, a distraction while you wait for a good package or trading the hardest position to fill in the nhl for a terrible return?




also friedman said he heard a different team then those 3 so we might not even have his full list

It's very likely those 3 could be his top destinations and he has a few more than might be more "I might waive for them if I like the fit."

We've seen terrible returns for players wanting out all the time. I'm not so sure this one will be much different. I don't see Detroit winning this trade baring some draft luck with any picks they might get.

 

[voyageur]

I'm really not giving him to much credit lol, I don't think any gm would just trade for a terrible return because he could be a distraction

what's worse, a distraction while you wait for a good package or trading the hardest position to fill in the nhl for a terrible return?




also friedman said he heard a different team then those 3 so we might not even have his full list

Larkin for Mc Tavish. Everyone wins.

 

[gojetsgo]

It's very likely those 3 could be his top destinations and he has a few more than might be more "I might waive for them if I like the fit."

We've seen terrible returns for players wanting out all the time. I'm not so sure this one will be much different. I don't see Detroit winning this trade baring some draft luck with any picks they might get.

we've also seen players ask out and not be traded before

 

[Daximus]

we've also seen players ask out and not be traded before

And that rarely ends well.