Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXV

[Shesterkybomb]

Don’t understand the first line. A young Mika vs an aging Mika.

I’m confident the Rangers can find a center of Mika wants north of five years. We’ll be happier too.

They've been looking for a 2c since Strome arrived, hasnt happened. The first line means that Mika will decide if he wants a 5 year deal or not. Teams like Vegas and Minnesota have been looking for #1c since they came in the league.

 

[nyr2k2]

We've been over this before. There are multiple UFC fighters now that are having this surgery. Chris Weidman was one and now Aljamain Sterling is also getting it. Weidman came back and competed. I don't think there are too many guys that have to make sure their neck is in line than UFC fighters. The amount of ground work and awkward positions require more flexibility than an NHL player, so if their necks are okay after being mounted and pounded, having their body put in awkward spots, I don't think an NHL player will have an issue.

Eichel should get the disc replacement surgery. Shorter recovery time and he won't need an additional surgery in the years to come.

Yeah I don't really know anything about MMA, but I've seen enough fights to believe that if a neck procedure is good enough for a high-level MMA fighter to continue successfully fighting, it's pretty much good enough for anyone in any sport.

 

[Tob]

If Phil Kessel with salary retained is barely garnering interest, it's easy to figure how little traction the Tarasenko deal is getting. Only natural to embrace the situation considering he's going nowhere until he puts up a healthy and powerful 1st half.

 

[NYSPORTS]

The problem for us right now is that Mika has a nmc, something no player should have in their final year of their contract. If we could move him we'd be much more comfortable giving take it or leave it offers, but as it stands Mika has control of this situation, he is either comfortable leaving 15-18 mill on the table or not

i have no issue with a NMC for a young player. I think his current contract is fine. Third one is a killer and if five years is not to his liking, bye, b/c i know those last few years are going to stink and i’m not paying for it.

 

[Raspewtin]

Yeah I don't really know anything about MMA, but I've seen enough fights to believe that if a neck procedure is good enough for a high-level MMA fighter to continue successfully fighting, it's pretty much good enough for anyone in any sport.

MMA training is more intense than actual fights too IIRC.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Don’t understand the first line. A young Mika vs an aging Mika.

I’m confident the Rangers can find a center of Mika wants north of five years. We’ll be happier too.

really the rangers can find a center better than mika? Because there’s like 15 of those (maybe) in the NHL.
None are hitting UFA and the ones who do will ask for even more than the reported ask for Mika, and they’ll all be 8 year deals.
Trading for one, means we give up our biggest strength which is depth.

 

[NYSPORTS]

They've been looking for a 2c since Strome arrived, hasnt happened. The first line means that Mika will decide if he wants a 5 year deal or not.

bs, this rebuild still has kids joining the team. This isn’t a bunch of mid 20 years olds and a management staff searching for a center. They have a few centers so have sat while the kids mature. Heck, they’re still trying to figure out their lines with Laf now getting RW time.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

then goodbye. The Rangers will find another center.

Is it really on overpay when a star player gets a 7 or 8 years deal at a high AAV? Him getting over 5 years isn't an overpay, it's just your expectations are out of whack if you expect that, it's just not realistic. No star player in Mika's shoes is taking less than 7 years.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

i have no issue with a NMC for a young player. I think his current contract is fine. Third one is a killer and if five years is not to his liking, bye, b/c i know those last few years are going to stink and i’m not paying for it.

I agree with you about more than 5 years but its unrealistic to think we'll just walk away and easily replace him. I just hope they don't load it up with nmc's. If we could sign him for 7 years with no nmc atleast after year 3 or 4 I'd be ok with making the deal.

 

[IDvsEGO]

bs, this rebuild still has kids joining the team. This isn’t a bunch of mid 20 years olde and a management staff searching for a center. They have a few so have sat while the kids mature.

You can’t keep rebuilding forever. The gallant signing indicates that the rebuild is over.
that we’re pushing for the playoffs plus.
We’re not adding 18 year olds to our roster anymore.
Kids are gonna have time to season and develop.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Is it really on overpay when a star player gets a 7 or 8 years deal at a high AAV? Him getting over 5 years isn't an overpay, it's just your expectations are out of whack if you expect that, it's just not realistic. No star player in Mika's shoes is taking less than 7 years.

third contract is a killer. Goodbye for north of five years. It’s not like i’m proposing three. Not to mention, with all these wingers and defensemen some will have to be moved. The Rangers will find a center. Have a little faith. Zibby isn’t the end all.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

bs, this rebuild still has kids joining the team. This isn’t a bunch of mid 20 years olds and a management staff searching for a center. They have a few centers so have sat while the kids mature. Heck, they’re still trying to figure out their lines with Laf now getting RW time.

Ive been saying for 4 years we needed to draft more centers in anticipation of this year, its been my constant criticism of this organization. I love Schneider, I'm one of his biggest tire pumper but we should have used that pick to take a center since we had Lundkvist already. This team needs to take a step, if Strome and Zibanejad both leave and we replace them with Chytil and Barron the only step we will take is backwards.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You can’t keep rebuilding forever. The gallant signing indicates that the rebuild is over.
that we’re pushing for the playoffs plus.
We’re not adding 18 year olds to our roster anymore.
Kids are gonna have time to season and develop.

yes it is, and we anticipate the kids to make huge strides. By this time next year we’ll be wondering how to keep them all. Angry at the Kreider deal and asking why is Zibby signed for 7 years when 5 is fine.

Since when is a 5 year extension for a 28 year old for a fortune a problem? B/c the Rangers haven’t traded for Eichel’s broken neck at $10 million per?

5 years is fine.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Ive been saying for 4 years we needed to draft more centers in anticipation of this year, its been my constant criticism of this organization. I love Schneider, I'm one of his biggest tire pumper but we should have used that pick to take a center since we had Lundkvist already. This team needs to take a step, if Strome and Zibanejad both leave and we replace them with Chytil and Barron the only step we will take is backwards.

well boo hoo, we won two lotteries so went with the BAP. Want a stud center then go trade Kappo or Laf for your young center. Otherwise, hold tight and the Rangers will figure it out. This is the NHL when players are always available. The only players not available are the aging vets with no movement clauses.

 

[JimmyG89]

Maybe mid-level kids like Hagelin, but when was the last time you saw a team have to lose a young star because of cap constraints?

NYR would probably trade multiple pieces away to move a contract or submit to multiple painful buyouts before losing guys like Fox or Lafreniere.

Exactly, and who knows what the situation is in 2-3 years. There is a plan for the cap to remain the same, but if revenues hit well with the additional team in the league and the return of fans to arenas, is it possible that it is closer to the 2 years instead of 3.

Also, the young guys haven't done anything to warrant allocating large amounts of cap space in the future. Kakko and Kravtsov haven't produced at high levels. Lafreniere has another ELC year after this to do that. Fox is the one guy so far. We expect Lafreniere to join him in that regard. Is Miller going to need a big deal? Not everyone is going to bust out at the same time.

On top of all of that, if they let Zibanejad go, who is filling that 1C role? We'd be looking for that guy all over again. Unless Chytil takes a massive jump in production and takes over 2C this year from Strome, it'd be hard to project him as a 1C down the line in their contention window.

It might not be an easy decision to make, but re-signing Zibanejad is the right thing to do for this group. You make the necessary moves down the line. Look at Tampa and other teams that have won. You do what you need to do for your top guys and figure out the rest after.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

well boo hoo, we won two lotteries so went with the BAP. Want a stud center then go trade Kappo or Laf for your young center. Otherwise, hold tight and the Rangers will figure it out. This is the NHL when players are always available. The only players not available are the aging vets with no movement clauses.

Not talking about those picks, talking about the late firsts and second rounders where we passed on centers and took dmen, wingers and even a goalie when this year was staring us in the face only the organization was blatantly ignoring it. The boo hoo is gonna be reserved for you because 1 of 2 things is happening, they'll sign him for 7 years or trade for eichel.

 

[nyr2k2]

then goodbye. The Rangers will find another center.

From where? Gomez, Drury, and Richards were our last three attempts at getting top centers and none of them exactly worked out. The reason Zibanejad and other guys like hi are so f***ing expensive is because they're few and far between.

 

[NYSPORTS]

really the rangers can find a center better than mika? Because there’s like 15 of those (maybe) in the NHL.
None are hitting UFA and the ones who do will ask for even more than the reported ask for Mika, and they’ll all be 8 year deals.
Trading for one, means we give up our biggest strength which is depth.

I have faith in Laf, Kakko and company will do well regardless. I don’t think their careers will be defined by a centerman, otherwise, they wouldn’t have been the lottery picks.

 

[NYSPORTS]

From where? Gomez, Drury, and Richards were our last three attempts at getting top centers and none of them exactly worked out. The reason Zibanejad and other guys like hi are so f***ing expensive is because they're few and far between.

Then move out Panarin for your center if we’re so desperate. Oh no, don’t trade any wingers, lottery picks or a Fox b/c we can’t find them either right? You can’t keep everybody and apparently some think five years is too short? Stop

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Then move out Panarin for your center if we’re so desperate. Oh no, don’t trade any wingers, lottery picks or a Fox b/c we can’t find them either right? You can’t keep everybody and apparently some think five years is too short? Stop

Losing Zib and then trading Fox for a center is next level dumb.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Losing Zib and then trading Fox for a center is next level dumb.

reading it that way is dumber. To think you’re going to sign Zibby for seven years and keep these rising stars is comical. Think

 

[Shesterkybomb]

reading it that way is dumber. To think you’re going to sign Zibby for seven years and keep these rising stars is comical. Think

Devil is in the details, you just need to be able to get rid of the contract in 4 or 5 years if you need to. Its fairly simple. They just need to stop handing out nmc for the duration of the contract, if Zib didnt have one now we could trade him for assets or another center. If you can trade him in 3 or 4 years you give him his security, he gets a good crack at a cup here and you can send him somewhere for assets.

 

[nyr2k2]

Then move out Panarin for your center if we’re so desperate. Oh no, don’t trade any wingers, lottery picks or a Fox b/c we can’t find them either right? You can’t keep everybody and apparently some think five years is too short? Stop

Don't put words in my mouth. While I do generally consider Fox off-limits, it's all pending how other players develop. Things that you mentioned could become feasible down the road, sure. Not sure people would want a 30-something Panarin at $11M, but okay. And moving him also presupposes the other young wingers become high-end players; if they don't, trading Panarin for a C is just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Five years isn't too short for me. It would be for Zibanejad, though.

All I'm saying is that "we'll go get another center" seems to massively oversimplify things. Half the league is always in the market for a 1C because they're rare.

 

[duhmetreE]

Like it or not. Mika will be signed for 7 years. Hopefully the AAV is reasonable

after year 5 of his deal, hoping the Cap is approaching $100M. He doesn't have a full NMC. His contract is structured in a way similar to Kreider/Trouba. ie make him moveable.

It is what it is. Trouba and Kreider will be moved if some kids need fat contracts in 3-4 years.

 

[NYR Viper]

I keep coming back to the idea that it would have been nice for them to stockpile some centers in general but lets look at this for a moment. Let's assume for a moment that the team wants to re-sign Zibanejad. Based on Chytil's development and underlying numbers, it appears he is destined to be a 2C. Barron is clearly being groomed to be a center at the NHL level. Where would this theoretical other young center play?

2021
Korczak and Grubbe in the 3rd round.

2020
Tarnstrom, Vierling and Rempe in the 3rd, 5th and 6th rounds

2019
Henriksson in the 2nd

I wouldn't say they are just ignoring the position, more, it would appear, looking at kids who may be 3-4 years out assuming they develop.