Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXV

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Some players carry more risk than others. Zibanejad, with his concussions, would be among them with more risk.

In theory, yes. But you don't know how a player will be effected by a concussion until he gets one. One could be all it takes. Therefore any player is one concussion away.

 

[Avery16]

The Blues handling of Tara’s trade request is necks and shoulders above Buffalo’s handling of Eichel’s.

 

[pld459666]

Last year, Tavares 50 points in 56 games. Hrm, Zibanejad 50 points in 56 games.

The year before? Only 5 centers had more points than the Zibster, none of which were named Tavares (60 points in 63 games, Zibanejad 75 points in 57)

People can like or dislike the contract, the term, the player, etc... but the man is going to get paid as if he's the 10th-ish best center in the league. If he finds his 2019-20 game again this season then that cost is just going to go up the longer the Rangers twiddle their thumbs in trying to figure out what they're going to do.

I hear ya.

No knock on Mika at all, but if I had a choice of a 28/29 year old Mika or a 28/29 year old Tavares, I'm taking Tavares.

And that could just be me, but that's where I am coming from with my statement.

 

[GAGLine]

Golf and Pickleball....two of the most brutal contact sports.

My ability to contact a golf ball could be described as brutal.

 

[haohmaru]

I hear ya.

No knock on Mika at all, but if I had a choice of a 28/29 year old Mika or a 28/29 year old Tavares, I'm taking Tavares.

And that could just be me, but that's where I am coming from with my statement.

Let’s not forget that JT is also paid more than the 9M that we’re talking Zibby might get. Quite a bit more.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

whoa, five years is more than enough. Imo, seven or eight is catastrophic. Bye, if he wants north of five years.

As i see it, the Rangers can opt to trade players away for Mika’s replacement soon or lose them in the FA market later. Choose how you want to part ways with them. You’re not keeping them all. Five years is fine, beyond five, forget it imo.

I think we all anticipate the Rangers streak of making the playoffs is soon. If not this year then next season. The more playoff games they play the longer the season is, the shorter the offseason is and it’s back to an 82 game grind. The younger kids on the rise are built for that. The aging vets on the decline are not as much imo. Watch Mika three years from now and the risk of that decline accelerates. I’ll deal with two more years of that rather than risk four or five more years while kids walk out the door for the open market. Five years is plenty for Mika imo.

Then you better get ready to be disappointed. There is no way in hell Mika is agreeing to a 5 year term. This is his last big payday and it's going to be for at least 7 years. I'm just hoping the AAV is not more than 9 mil.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I hear ya.

No knock on Mika at all, but if I had a choice of a 28/29 year old Mika or a 28/29 year old Tavares, I'm taking Tavares.

And that could just be me, but that's where I am coming from with my statement.

We don't have that choice though. We have to pick and choose based on the options we are given.

If we don't re-sign Zibanejad, what is our plan? Who is centering that line? Sure, I'd love to sign a guy like Barkov, but the far more realistic scenario is that Zibanejad is our best option.

 

[JimmyG89]

Is your friend a professional athlete in a contact sport? Eichel won't allowed to wear a no contact sweater during the game.

Where is the professional athlete who had this surgery? Are they all hiding behind HIPPA? A kid who hurt his neck playing high school hockey and now works for Target is not enough.

We've been over this before. There are multiple UFC fighters now that are having this surgery. Chris Weidman was one and now Aljamain Sterling is also getting it. Weidman came back and competed. I don't think there are too many guys that have to make sure their neck is in line than UFC fighters. The amount of ground work and awkward positions require more flexibility than an NHL player, so if their necks are okay after being mounted and pounded, having their body put in awkward spots, I don't think an NHL player will have an issue.

Eichel should get the disc replacement surgery. Shorter recovery time and he won't need an additional surgery in the years to come.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Then you better get ready to be disappointed. There is no way in hell Mika is agreeing to a 5 year term. This is his last big payday and it's going to be for at least 7 years. I'm just hoping the AAV is not more than 9 mil.

I’m full prepared for the Rangers to overpay . . . and then fans screaming for vengeance when kids hitting their prime walk out the door due to cap restraints.

 

[Fitzy]

I’m full prepared for the Rangers to overpay . . . and then fans screaming for vengeance when kids hitting their prime walk out the door due to cap restraints.

Maybe mid-level kids like Hagelin, but when was the last time you saw a team have to lose a young star because of cap constraints?

NYR would probably trade multiple pieces away to move a contract or submit to multiple painful buyouts before losing guys like Fox or Lafreniere.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Maybe mid-level kids like Hagelin, but when was the last time you saw a team have to lose a young star because of cap constraints?
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It’s easy math bud. Look at what happened to Chicago. They were loaded and hamstrung themselves. Penguins have had similar issues. I’m good with five years for Mika. Beyond that? It’s ridiculous.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I hear ya.

No knock on Mika at all, but if I had a choice of a 28/29 year old Mika or a 28/29 year old Tavares, I'm taking Tavares.

And that could just be me, but that's where I am coming from with my statement.

I take mika every day of the week...Taveres is slowing down already and he never had any extra speed to begin with, his contract is looking terrible already.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I’m full prepared for the Rangers to overpay . . . and then fans screaming for vengeance when kids hitting their prime walk out the door due to cap restraints.

Im not sure it would be an overpay or market value. He's a 1c. Those guys are going to get signed to long term deals and for big bucks.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Im not sure it would be an overpay or market value. He's a 1c. Those guys are going to get signed to long term deals and for big bucks.

Five years is long enough. It’s stupid to go beyond and be paying high dollars for players on the downside with young players on he upside walking.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I’m full prepared for the Rangers to overpay . . . and then fans screaming for vengeance when kids hitting their prime walk out the door due to cap restraints.

It won't happen, Trouba has a limited nmc that kicks in in a couple years i believe, Strome will be gone. Theres a ton of young d coming through we can use on entry deals, the core will stay here. Im not comfortable with a long term deal for mika either but unless we're getting eichel we can't just let him walk.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I take mika every day of the week...Taveres is slowing down already and he never had any extra speed to begin with, his contract is looking terrible already.

most third contracts are awful. They’re the killer and can’t sign too many of them. Imo, some fans try to look at it from the players perspective. Who cares? This is a Rangers perspective.

 

[NYSPORTS]

It won't happen, Trouba has a limited nmc that kicks in in a couple years i believe, Strome will be gone. Theres a ton of young d coming through we can use on entry deals, the core will stay here. Im not comfortable with a long term deal for mika either but unless we're getting eichel we can't just let him walk.

never said let him walk. I said five years is enough. Flash forward a year, the Rangers will have enough firepower to find a center if Mika is gone. I don’t care if it’s not Mika at center b/c the face of the franchise is going to be one of the kids. Five years, he stays, beyond that, bye.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Five years is long enough. It’s stupid to go beyond and be paying high dollars for players on the downside with young players on he upside walking.

Is it long enough for Mika and his NMC he has this year? Because the alternative is having mika walk at the end of the year. If Eichel isnt coming the organization would be forced to resign Strome in that case, Barkov, Lindholm etc are all pipe dreams that won't happen.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

never said let him walk. I said five years is enough. Flash forward a year, the Rangers will have firepower to find a center if Mika is gone. I don’t care if it’s not Mika at center b/c the face of the franchise is going to be one of the kids. Five years, he stays, beyond that, bye.

Problem is if Mika wants a 7 year deal there's little the organization can do, its either pay him or let him walk.

 

[EpicDing]

never said let him walk. I said five years is enough. Flash forward a year, the Rangers will have enough firepower to find a center if Mika is gone. I don’t care if it’s not Mika at center b/c the face of the franchise is going to be one of the kids. Five years, he stays, beyond that, bye.

Staying firm at 5 years is tantamount to saying let him walk. Zib is not gonna sign for 5 years.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Five years is long enough. It’s stupid to go beyond and be paying high dollars for players on the downside with young players on he upside walking.

They figure the next 5 years they can win a cup or 2 with him, Panarin, and the elite young talent, and will deal with the fallout afterwards. He is not signing a 5 year deal. If they lose him then what do they do? Who do they go after? It's not an easy fix.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Is it long enough for Mika and his NMC he has this year? Because the alternative is having mika walk at the end of the year. If Eichel isnt coming the organization would be forced to resign Strome in that case, Barkov, Lindholm etc are all pipe dreams that won't happen.

Don’t understand the first line. A young Mika vs an aging Mika.

I’m confident the Rangers can find a center of Mika wants north of five years. We’ll be happier too.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The Blues handling of Tara’s trade request is necks and shoulders above Buffalo’s handling of Eichel’s.

Tara is also not waiting on a surgery and able to recoup trade value if healthy.
Eichel needs a surgery and his value is dropping.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

never said let him walk. I said five years is enough. Flash forward a year, the Rangers will have enough firepower to find a center if Mika is gone. I don’t care if it’s not Mika at center b/c the face of the franchise is going to be one of the kids. Five years, he stays, beyond that, bye.

The problem for us right now is that Mika has a nmc, something no player should have in their final year of their contract. If we could move him we'd be much more comfortable giving take it or leave it offers, but as it stands Mika has control of this situation, he is either comfortable leaving 15-18 mill on the table or not

 

[NYSPORTS]

Staying firm at 5 years is tantamount to saying let him walk. Zib is not gonna sign for 5 years.

then goodbye. The Rangers will find another center.