Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXV

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Honestly, if I'm Drury, I'm offering bare minimum at this point. JE is going to miss half of the season and the Rangers look like they're going to at least compete for a playoff spot this year. Adams left a deal on the table back in the summer and if he comes crawling back, Drury should start from scratch and offer a deal loaded with protections for the Rangers. Slam dunk / risk protected deal or walk away. If there is another team out there negotiating for him(seems like very fews team actually want him at this point), let him go there, we can just resign Zib.

 

[jay from jersey]

You would think that a rebuilding team has the inside track on Eichel because it wouldn’t matter losing assets for a guy who’s gonna be out. It wouldn’t make sense for a contending team or a team that’s pushing for a playoff spot to trade away valuable pieces for a guy who’s gonna miss months and hurt your chances. Hypothetically, let’s say the Rangers trade for him, they could slot Barron in on the third line for now, and whoever isn’t traded (Strome/Chytil), go from 2C to 3C once Eichel’s ready.

This is true. They you add hopefully a healthy Eichel for the playoff push and delay the Zibby ext for a while to see how he is upon return. It’s unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility

 

[rangers1314]

It was mentioned before, but I'm just so sick of all this JE shit. Enough already. It's not all his fault, but the drama is just exhausting.

I'm firmly in the Larkin camp.

 

[JohnC]

This is what? The hundredth time we’ve heard this exact same update about the Eichel situation?

 

[jay from jersey]

I firmly believe Drury wants Eichel and wants him bad.

but idk there’s just too many roadblocks at this point. The largest being Buffalo’s ownership does not want him traded here

The other thing is if Brooks/Vince is correct and Drury is deep in negotiations with Mika, if they get Eichel is the plan to just stop negotiating with Mika and say “we got our 1C, hit the road”

Would be a shitty move if they do that

this is where I’m at with it. I think Drury is more comfortable paying Eichel 10 mill 5 years from 25/30 then Zibby close to 10 mill per 7-8 from 30-37 even with the injury if he can get him for his price.
We all know the risks that come along with Eichel, so there’s no point in bringing them up. I’m not too concerned that he won’t return and play at a high level for the entirety of his contract after he gets surgery and rehabs properly.
I’ve had fusion surgery, it sucks, but I’m not an invalid. I work outside all year round, lifting, bending, climbing etc. there is an adjustment period in those 6-9 months of rehab for sure, but for the most part I’m back to normal besides losing a little range of motion. I’m 36 now, got my surgery almost 9 years ago, so I’m sure they are better at it now. Young guys bodies also heal pretty fast.
As far as our rebuild goes, Eichel has the potential to be worse then Zibby upon his return, but he can also be better. He is a stud 1C, a game breaker surrounded by a bad environment.
His age gap fits more with what we have. I think we get higher end better play from Eichel from 25/26-30 then Zibby 30-35/ followed by a buyout or trade.
Lastly, Gorton had the offer for Eichel prior. You have to think Drury was in on those talks/decisions. If that’s the case, depending on how our Doctors feel and the price to get Eichel here, Drury/NYR would still have interest.
It’s also very Fortunate to have a 1C like Zibby while Eichel would need months to get back into game shape.
Like I’ve been saying, until Zibby signs on the dotted line making Eichel financially impossible, you cannot completely rule out the rangers interest in bringing him here.
They will weigh the Risk/reward factors and make the deal if they think it puts us in a better position over the next 5 or so years at 1C

 

[cheech70]

Kravy at home could be intriguing

 

[RangerBoy]

This is what? The hundredth time we’ve heard this exact same update about the Eichel situation?

Unless the Sabres lower their asking price, nothing will happen. Dreger and Friedman were saying Eichel will be traded sooner rather than later last April/May. Five or six months ago.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

If it’s taken as a given that the return isn’t going to be that great, that opens it up to anyone who can pay him/live with the medical thing, he can go somewhere really weird

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Unless the Sabres lower their asking price, nothing will happen. Dreger and Friedman were saying Eichel will be traded sooner rather than later last April/May. Five or six months ago.

Yeah I think it was just so logical to trade him back then, even this summer. Now it's so past due, who knows what the hell will happen. Kind of hard to imagine that he's dealt anytime soon, unless the Sabres have some internal deadline to get this resolved before the season starts.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I've always said this, could the Rangers get a pick hungry team like Arizona or Seattle to cover some of the cap hit cost in a three way trade much like Tampa did? Long term sure would mean larger value but I wouldn't mind it. We have 2 2nds this year. Arizona gets one and a 3rd in 2023 to take 2 million of the cap hit. Would give Arizona a staggering 6 picks in the second round next season.

 

[cheech70]

Unless the Sabres lower their asking price, nothing will happen. Dreger and Friedman were saying Eichel will be traded sooner rather than later last April/May. Five or six months ago.

I would say the NEW news is the medical records being reviewed

 

[IDvsEGO]

this is where I’m at with it. I think Drury is more comfortable paying Eichel 10 mill 5 years from 25/30 then Zibby close to 10 mill per 7-8 from 30-37 even with the injury if he can get him for his price.
We all know the risks that come along with Eichel, so there’s no point in bringing them up. I’m not too concerned that he won’t return and play at a high level for the entirety of his contract after he gets surgery and rehabs properly.
I’ve had fusion surgery, it sucks, but I’m not an invalid. I work outside all year round, lifting, bending, climbing etc. there is an adjustment period in those 6-9 months of rehab for sure, but for the most part I’m back to normal besides losing a little range of motion. I’m 36 now, got my surgery almost 9 years ago, so I’m sure they are better at it now. Young guys bodies also heal pretty fast.
As far as our rebuild goes, Eichel has the potential to be worse then Zibby upon his return, but he can also be better. He is a stud 1C, a game breaker surrounded by a bad environment.
His age gap fits more with what we have. I think we get higher end better play from Eichel from 25/26-30 then Zibby 30-35/ followed by a buyout or trade.
Lastly, Gorton had the offer for Eichel prior. You have to think Drury was in on those talks/decisions. If that’s the case, depending on how our Doctors feel and the price to get Eichel here, Drury/NYR would still have interest.
It’s also very Fortunate to have a 1C like Zibby while Eichel would need months to get back into game shape.

The point is that eichel's basically been told, if you get the fusion, you're gonna need another fusion in 5-6 years. and the range of motion is gonna go down again next time, and its only ever gonna get worse.

 

[jay from jersey]

The point is that eichel's basically been told, if you get the fusion, you're gonna need another fusion in 5-6 years. and the range of motion is gonna go down again next time, and its only ever gonna get worse.

That’s what I’m saying. I don’t think he gets the fusion. I think he ultimately gets ADR. I think whoever trades for him will be ok with that decision to facilitate the trade.
No guarantee he needs another fusion in 5-6 years either. That’s worse case scenario

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Don't re-sign Strome and trade Trouba and Kreider in a couple years when their NMCs become partial NTCs. That will be when Kakko and Laf are due for raises after their bridge deals expire.

They won't be able to fit Eichel with Zibs extension and Fox new contract next season. Kakko is also due for a new contract this summer.

 

[JohnC]

Unless the Sabres lower their asking price, nothing will happen. Dreger and Friedman were saying Eichel will be traded sooner rather than later last April/May. Five or six months ago.

The time for Buffalo to make a move was last summer when it was all over the place that Eichel wanted out. The neck situation is just the icing on the cake.

I'd respect Adams' hubris as a sophomore GM drawing a line in the sand if he wasn't playing this like an absolute dumbass.

 

[RangerBoy]

Don't re-sign Strome and trade Trouba and Kreider in a couple years when their NMCs become partial NTCs. That will be when Kakko and Laf are due for raises after their bridge deals expire.

Re-signing Strome isn't part of the scenario. His money will go towards paying Zibanejad. Both Kakko and Lafrenière looked poised for breakthrough seasons. Kakko will be a group II next summer. Lafrenière in 2023. A bridge contract for those players will be expensive. A 2-3 year deal will cost the Rangers $5M minimum for two seasons and upwards of $7M in a three year contract. They aren't getting a 2 year bridge deal for $2.5M per. PLD got 2 years/$10M. Tkachuk got 3 years/$21M.

 

[duhmetreE]

Trading Chytil for a Center works
Trading Kravtsov for a Center works because it would move Chytil to RW.

We need a long term 2c. I'm confident in Barron and Goodrow to lock down the 3rd line.

all this is moot if Chytil tears it up

 

[Ola]

I've always said this, could the Rangers get a pick hungry team like Arizona or Seattle to cover some of the cap hit cost in a three way trade much like Tampa did? Long term sure would mean larger value but I wouldn't mind it. We have 2 2nds this year. Arizona gets one and a 3rd in 2023 to take 2 million of the cap hit. Would give Arizona a staggering 6 picks in the second round next season.

Yeah, great point, but I think the critical point is to become a good/great team first. Then opposing teams will be drooling over our players, and we can get good value for them.

 

[duhmetreE]

Lafreniere Zibs Kreider
Panarin _____ Kakko
Goodrow Barron Chytil/Kravtsov

Fill in the _____.

Larkin? Barkov? Hertl? still think Dvorak would have been a great fit... missed opportunity

 

[bl02]

Lafreniere Zibs Kreider
Panarin _____ Kakko
Goodrow Barron Chytil/Kravtsov

Fill in the _____.

Larkin? Barkov? Hertl? still think Dvorak would have been a great fit... missed opportunity

I think obviously Dvorak would have been the most realistic to acquire. Interesting to see how he performs under the pressure that is montreal.
The other two are pipe dreams and the third won’t have functional NHL capable knees in 2-3 years

 

[Atax]

Honestly, at this point, who cares about Eichel? Lets roll with what we've got and see what the young guys have in them.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think obviously Dvorak would have been the most realistic to acquire. Interesting to see how he performs under the pressure that is montreal.
The other two are pipe dreams and the third won’t have functional NHL capable knees in 2-3 years

I think Larkin is the deal in the coming offseason. Let him have an average season in detroit, then trade for him with a reasonable extension in place.

 

[Guyute]

Re-signing Strome isn't part of the scenario. His money will go towards paying Zibanejad. Both Kakko and Lafrenière looked poised for breakthrough seasons. Kakko will be a group II next summer. Lafrenière in 2023. A bridge contract for those players will be expensive. A 2-3 year deal will cost the Rangers $5M minimum for two seasons and upwards of $7M in a three year contract. They aren't getting a 2 year bridge deal for $2.5M per. PLD got 2 years/$10M. Tkachuk got 3 years/$21M.

maybe years of quantitative easing and zero interest rate policy combined with supply shocks from covid supply chain bottlenecks will finally trigger high inflation causing hockey-related revenue to skyrocket as ticket sales and concessions prices fly higher and lead to higher salary cap so we can afford all of our players

fyi: i'm being sarcastic not going full bern

 

[AirGut]

Lafreniere Zibs Kreider
Panarin _____ Kakko
Goodrow Barron Chytil/Kravtsov

Fill in the _____.

Larkin? Barkov? Hertl? still think Dvorak would have been a great fit... missed opportunity

Eichel, it's always been Eichel

 

[RangerBoy]

The time for Buffalo to make a move was last summer when it was all over the place that Eichel wanted out. The neck situation is just the icing on the cake.

I'd respect Adams' hubris as a sophomore GM drawing a line in the sand if he wasn't playing this like an absolute dumbass.

I heard a podcast during last season. I think it was Pierre Lebrun's and Scott Burnside's podcast. Pierre said Buffalo had good offers for Eichel in the 2020 offseason and they were waiting for a better offer. Eichel got hurt. That ruined their plans. Buffalo wants 4 assets equivalent of 4 first round picks for Eichel. Everyone knows that. Some people say they want more than four. How bad does Adams look accepting less than that? Buffalo may not get an offer better than they turned down 12 months ago. That will be tough for Adams to accept. Eichel needs neck surgery. He will miss several months of this season. Those offers last October were for 6 years remaining on Eichel's contract. Nobody knows how many games Eichel will play this season or how effective Eichel will be playing when he returns. The guy will miss training camp and the several months of this season. We have seen players return from off-season surgery and they end up returning in November. They struggled at times during the season. At breakup day, we hear the player missed all of training camp and the first couple of months in the regular season. It was a tough year for him but he will be better next season. Eichel will be joining a new team which is another adjustment for him. The 2021-22 season will be a lost season for him. The team is getting Eichel for basically four seasons and they will be hoping the disc in Eichel's neck doesn't pop out every time he takes a small or big hit.