Sony PS5 2

[Dolemite]

This is both good and bad.

The Bad: With all their new games on Game Pass I have no reason to go buy a console. I can play everything on my PC.

The Good: I don't have to go buy two consoles to play all the games I want.

I own a next Gen Xbox and I’m pissed that they’re doing this. To them exclusive means PC/Xbox only.

 

[robertmac43]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

I own a next Gen Xbox and I’m pissed that they’re doing this. To them exclusive means PC/Xbox only.

You’re pissed that more people get to play those games?

Sounds like Sony is developing it’s on GamePass competitor, minus day one new releases.

 

[Dolemite]

You’re pissed that more people get to play those games?

Sounds like Sony is developing it’s on GamePass competitor, minus day one new releases.

It's more of not having value for the Next Gen Xbox. Why did I buy an Xbox when I can now play them all on PC?

 

[Tonneau]

Why did I buy an Xbox when I can now play them all on PC?

I don't know. Why did you?

Microsoft has been releasing its games on PC Game Pass for quite some time. There was no reason to believe that would change with the new console generation.

 

[Unholy Diver]

It's more of not having value for the Next Gen Xbox. Why did I buy an Xbox when I can now play them all on PC?

Some of us do prefer a console to a PC be it because of the cost difference or some just like the console way of playing, MS is doing this way to get the most penetration for their games, keeping them on XB or PC only eliminates a portion of potential buyers

 

[Mikeaveli]

For Microsoft.

If it was bad for them wouldn't they stop putting games on PC instead of continuing to lean into that business model?

 

[Khelandros]

If it was bad for them wouldn't they stop putting games on PC instead of continuing to lean into that business model?

It looks like Microsoft is transitioning to a Software company, who occasionally releases a console, based on their acquisitions lately.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Man I hope the new ps plus sub will have amazing games from the past consoles.

 

[Mikeaveli]

It looks like Microsoft is transitioning to a Software company, who occasionally releases a console, based on their acquisitions lately.

They have just realized that there is a large amount people out there who either don't want a console or cant get one. I for one wouldn't have paid for MCC or my game pass subscription if it was only on Xbox. Sony has realized this as well as they're slowly bringing their games to PC.

 

[Commander Clueless]

You’re pissed that more people get to play those games?

Sounds like Sony is developing it’s on GamePass competitor, minus day one new releases.

It's a good notion and likely a necessary move. They already have a good base in PS Now. Not having day one releases still keeps them behind Game Pass, though.

That said, I understand why they would do that. Their in-house developed games are generally a higher tier.

I will say the PS Plus collection for PS5 is a great preview of what that service could offer. There's a ton of great stuff in there. Unfortunately for me, personally, I've already played most of what I would want from it.

It's more of not having value for the Next Gen Xbox. Why did I buy an Xbox when I can now play them all on PC?

If you don't find value in it, sell it or don't buy the next one. Why would you want yourself and other people to be restricted to give you a perceived sense of value in your purchase?


In terms of the general public, not everyone wants to buy a console and not everyone wants to buy a PC. Some prefer desk gaming, some prefer couch gaming. Some prefer mouse and keyboard, some prefer controller. Big screen vs small screen. And sometimes you want all of the above. Sometimes it depends on the game or the mood of the player.

For me, I generally prefer PC gaming, but I also sometimes want to game on a couch. Having both makes a ton of sense in my case.


I don't see these options as anything but win-win for everyone involved and would love it if PlayStation did something similar.

 

[Dolemite]

It's a good notion and likely a necessary move. They already have a good base in PS Now. Not having day one releases still keeps them behind Game Pass, though.

That said, I understand why they would do that. Their in-house developed games are generally a higher tier.

I will say the PS Plus collection for PS5 is a great preview of what that service could offer. There's a ton of great stuff in there. Unfortunately for me, personally, I've already played most of what I would want from it.



If you don't find value in it, sell it or don't buy the next one. Why would you want yourself and other people to be restricted to give you a perceived sense of value in your purchase?


In terms of the general public, not everyone wants to buy a console and not everyone wants to buy a PC. Some prefer desk gaming, some prefer couch gaming. Some prefer mouse and keyboard, some prefer controller. Big screen vs small screen. And sometimes you want all of the above. Sometimes it depends on the game or the mood of the player.

For me, I generally prefer PC gaming, but I also sometimes want to game on a couch. Having both makes a ton of sense in my case.


I don't see these options as anything but win-win for everyone involved and would love it if PlayStation did something similar.

The Xbox is inferior to the PS in a few ways. The main one being the lack of hardware compatibility for devices. This isn’t an issue in PS. They do some things right but it’s clear they didn’t think about the major uses of these devices outside the home. Streaming for example. These devices are horrible for streaming. There’s major privacy issues as well as the inability to properly stream from the device.

 

[chicagoskycam]

It looks like Microsoft is transitioning to a Software company, who occasionally releases a console, based on their acquisitions lately.

MSFT was always a software company that occasionally released hardware. Now they want to be the Netflix of gaming, own content, and sell subs.

 

[Commander Clueless]

The Xbox is inferior to the PS in a few ways. The main one being the lack of hardware compatibility for devices. This isn’t an issue in PS. They do some things right but it’s clear they didn’t think about the major uses of these devices outside the home. Streaming for example. These devices are horrible for streaming. There’s major privacy issues as well as the inability to properly stream from the device.

Fair enough, but what effect does that have on Sony creating a version of Game Pass?

 

[Dolemite]

Fair enough, but what effect does that have on Sony creating a version of Game Pass?

It depends on what their version consists of. It’s too early to say.

 

[Commander Clueless]

It depends on what their version consists of. It’s too early to say.

I'm curious, what scenario(s) are you worried about?

 

[Dolemite]

I'm curious, what scenario(s) are you worried about?

With Game Pass you can’t keep the games. I’m looking to see if Sony will let you like they do now with their current services.

 

[Commander Clueless]

With Game Pass you can’t keep the games. I’m looking to see if Sony will let you like they do now with their current services.

Understood. I would say that is extremely unlikely, as their already existing similar service in PS Now does not let you keep games.

Like any subscription model, the valuation on whether a service is worth paying for changes with its content.


I feel like the ownership discussion will come to a head if/when they start making games subscription exclusive (remove the option to buy).

 

[Dolemite]

Understood. I would say that is extremely unlikely, as their already existing similar service in PS Now does not let you keep games.

Like any subscription model, the valuation on whether a service is worth paying for changes with its content.


I feel like the ownership discussion will come to a head if/when they start making games subscription exclusive (remove the option to buy).

It's also based on how much Sony/MS pays developers per download too. Some publishers get screwed on this.

 

[chicagoskycam]

It's also based on how much Sony/MS pays developers per download too. Some publishers get screwed on this.

You're never going to have a sub-model where you keep the content when you stop the sub, it doesn't make any sense. You don't even really own the game when you purchase it either.

 

[Commander Clueless]

It's also based on how much Sony/MS pays developers per download too. Some publishers get screwed on this.

I'm not sure how readily this data will be available. Is there an example of a publisher being screwed?

 

[Dolemite]

I'm not sure how readily this data will be available. Is there an example of a publisher being screwed?

It's not publishers getting screwed by Sony, its the developer screwing themselves by undervaluing the individual game's worth.

 

[aleshemsky83]

You're never going to have a sub-model where you keep the content when you stop the sub, it doesn't make any sense. You don't even really own the game when you purchase it either.

That's why I buy games physically as much as possible. You have the original version of the game which is extremely useful for games like Bloodborne and Demon's souls, and I often like to sell it. People often massively overestimate what's in a day 1 patch. 95% of the time the full game is on the disc.

 

[93LEAFS]

That's why I buy games physically as much as possible. You have the original version of the game which is extremely useful for games like Bloodborne and Demon's souls, and I often like to sell it. People often massively overestimate what's in a day 1 patch. 95% of the time the full game is on the disc.

Yeah, mostly agreed. I tend to buy hard copy, partially support my local independent store, and just due to habit. Although, some companies are taking this to a dark place. Didn't the new Far Cry only have like 700mb on the disc? And, some companies are becoming brutally dependent on day one patches (CyberPunk should be a lesson on what should be allowed to go gold for platform holders). While I love what patches have done to fix issues with games, I do think tons of companies use it as a crutch now compared to the cartridge era where if you released a broken game it stayed broken and destroyed your companies reputation.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Finally got one on Walmart today. Had to get a paid Walmart + membership but I'll just cancel it once the PS5 arrives.