It's an exhibition tournament because it isn't organized by a worldwide governing body of the sport.
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It's an exhibition tournament because it isn't organized by a worldwide governing body of the sport.
Is the Stanley Cup playoffs an exhibition because it is not organized by a worldwide governing body of the sport?
The KHL playoffs too?
the SEL?
The CHL?
The AHL?
These are all exhibition tournaments and games?
The players do not care because the IIHF has not organized it? they are just friendly little matches and social get togethers ?
What do you mean when you say "exhibition"
...why are you comparing leagues with a tournament that is supposed to be a world cup?
The tournament is also invitational, lacking a qualification system. Like the Spengler Cup.
I am glad to see I am not the only one who does not understand all this European fascination and insistence with bureaucratic mumbo jumbo.
You would think it is the players that participate and whether or not they take it seriously that makes a game or tournament legit but no, what is important is a rubber stamp from an organizaton, that is what makes something legit. And without that all holy stamp, it can only ever be an exhibition, a feel good rendezvous.
Quality of competition and desire to win of the players involved means nothing.
It's not like we don't know who the top teams are.
Are you saying a team like Denmark not being invited has robbed them of their chance of winning it?
Do you really believe that?
I don't think it makes any sense to mix club and international hockey like that. The national teams belong to the national federations and no one else. The NHL can co-operate with them but has no authority over them, never mind the right to organize its own national teams. The national federations are represented by the IIHF.
No, I don't think that Denmark would have chances to win it. Neither does Slovakia or Switzerland, to be honest so should you reduce the number of teams to six?
International competition would improve their players though and more countries involved = wider audience. But it's not like the NHL would care if Latvia, Germany or Belarus is involved or not.
I actually think both Slovakia and the Swiss have a shot to win it. Slovakia have won the worlds before, the swiss have BEATEN Canada at the olympics with the best team they could bring at the time.
What makes them candidates for exclusion?
But teams like Norway?
Whats the issue if they are not there?
So no, I would not reduce the amount of teams from 8 to 6 but saying that teams like Norway not being there because they don't have the IIHF involved to include them does not make the tournament an exhibition whatsoever .
Is the WHC an exhibition and less legitimate because the IIHF does not find room to make sure the world is fully represented and North Korea is there?
I mean, how far do you carry this sort of thinking?
Some of these arguments for the World cup not being legitimate because they are not organized by a world boddy really are silly and I think you know it but dare not admit it.
Exactly. I think Switzerland has been objectively considered as the #8 nation. I'm not against a qualification that would include Germany, Latvia, Belarus, Denmark...but I think just from looking at the past 5 WHC and last two olympics, it's clear that Switzerland has done more than any other team in this group. I doubt there is even time for a qualification like that. And even it there was, it would be without NHL players probably, which loses the meaning then. If you want, make the 8th team by looking at the IIHF ranking - and that's Slovakia, Switzerland is actually 7th now.
So if Michael Granlund scores in OT on Carey Price to win the 2016 World Cup for Finland, your reaction will be "its not sanctioned by the iihf so it doesn't count"?
Like hell.
Can you see Switzerland and Slovakia going for gold, beating all the teams on their way? And yes, Slovakia has indeed won the WCH... 12 years ago. A lot has happened since, and their results seem to go downfall, the 2012 WCH being an exception.
I personally just think that eight participating countries is ridiculously few and imo even the elite division of the WCH has too few countries. 20 would be ideal at this point and the number could be gradually increased.
So who is included there at all? Of course you can also try to do contracts with all the national federations individually, but if even just one of the big ones says 'no' then you're going to have a huge credibility problem. NHL's own national teams have no credibility in any case.
There is nothing being said about the NHL having an authority over anyone. The NHL just wants to have a best-on-best tournament on ice that the best players in the world play on, with their referees and rules, which is very understandable for every hockey fan that is not blind and sees that NHL refs and rules is nothing that brings the game down, just the opposite.
Actually, yes. I would rather see 6 teams playing each other in one group, and then maybe a best-of-three series in the semis and the finals.
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The players are getting paid, in the from of the NHLPA sharing the profit. That's the only reason they're willing to play.
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You show your complete lack of knowledge for international hockey by even asking this. Slovakia won the Worlds 12 years ago. Look where they are now. Since you keep claiming Russia, Finland nor Slovakia would be affected by lack of KHL players, post their best rosters with all the active NHL players.
I agree it is unlikely the Swiss or Slovaks win but not at all impossible. The Swiss beat Canada's best team only 6 years ago and had a silver at the worlds at the WHC just 2 years ago, it is not impossible. hell, who would have even had the Finns winning bronze this last olympics with all the injury hits they took?. we have to keep things in perspective here and give teams like the Swiss and slovaks the benefit of the doubt, they have talent and anything can happen, they have proven they are one of the better countries in the game of Hockey.
Whether you want to have 20 teams participating or not,as long as the acknowledged most strong teams are there then the total number of teams competing has absolutely no bearing on whether the World cup is legitimate or not.
That is just not a strong argument against the World cup of Hockey.All games in N.A? maybe, all refs from N.A? maybe. Those arguments have some validity in theory.
But not this one, it is desperately weak.
A Finland victory at a best-on-best world cup wouldn't interest you at all on account of there being no IIHF sanction?
You'd be indifferent to that Granlund GWG?
Be honest with yourself if not with me.
It does not show lack of hockey knowledge at all.
The fact that you do not consider an acknowledged top 10 team in international hockey as being a legitimate threat shows nothing more then a lack of respect on your part for that team.
Are you telling me that you have little to no fear of losing to a team like Slovakia when you play them?
That is ******** and I am gonna have to call you on that pal.
Lack of hockey knowledge my ass.
That's your opinion, but not a reality. Are the players paid for participating at the World Championships? No. But you have seen there players like Malkin, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Jagr, Zetterberg, Karlsson, Getzlaf, Heatley, Nash, Bouwmeester, M.Koivu, Chara, Gaborik, Rinne, Kane, P.Stastny, Tavares, Elias, Lundqvist, St.Louis, Giroux, or H.Sedin and D.Sedin.
I'm wondering what the reason is they have played at this tournament.
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Imagine if the KHL were holding a best-on-best event and Canada's A-squad was showing up.
Would Canadian fans be indifferent to that event, as some Europeans are at least pretending to be with the world cup?
Not a chance. If anything most fans would see it as an opportunity to (again) win it all on their ice.
This obsession with the iihf sanctioning an event is just bizarre.
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