Softest team in the NHL
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All i asked for was a rational defense of your opinions. Since you could not offer even the thinnest evidence to back your assertions, it is not shocking that personal insults were the only tricks left in the bag.I am crushed that you don't like me.
The point was that saying a player is good because the guy who drafted him said so is comical, as proof. Reminds me of the two relatives in the Zimmerman trial telling us that they recognize the screams on bad audio that experts can't figure out.
You look at Lucic as a goon or bodyguard?
No one here doesn't want tough players. Most of us want tough players with skill. Easier said than done.
Best post of thread was the one enthralled with tough guys who don't even suit up.
Lucic is on Boston. No team has an equivalent player but some here seem crazed that the Rangers should have his equivalent. Who or where that guy is remains a mystery.
Amazing. Hockey to you is solely about fighting and intimidation. Who on the Rangers looked scared?
NYR Viper
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Everyone wants an equivalent. Not going to happen.
What I would have liked to have seen was, somehow, to address the bottom-6 with some guys who could potentially drop the gloves a bit more than say Pyatt or Powe. I like Pouliot and Moore. They are upgrades. I just wish they could find a couple more players who could play the game 10-12 minutes a night AND drop the gloves when called upon to do so. Gregory Campbell, Eric Nystrom, Matt Hendricks, Dwight King, Kyle Clifford, Marcus Foligno, Chad Larose, Juston Abdelkader, Zack Kassian, Brandon Prust, Derek Dorsett, Nick Foligno, Brandon Dubinsky, Wayne Simmonds, Scott Harntnell, Brayden Schenn.
I am not talking about goons. I am talking about guys willing to change the momentum with a fight or sticking up for a teammate. They aren't THAT rare
Lucic hasn't produced without an elite playmaker like Krejci/Savard on his line. He is an overpaid complimentary player at best and I love the guy due to his Serbian heritage. But I'd take Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Eriksson over him any day of the week.
NYR Viper
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No. I said I wanted Clowe for under 3.5 million for 3-4 years. I would not have given him that contract.
The fact of the matter still stands, there are other players who could be had.
yeah, I surely yearn for the days where Sather has a fetish for goons like Rupp, Asham, Boogaard, Orr, Shelly, Hollweg, Haley, Brashear, etc. Look how far that got us.
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"You win with guys like Shaw, Bollig and Bickell on your roster".
Let's disregard the fact that those players are 3rd liners or worst at best and are not even remotely close to being as valuable as Kane, Toews, Hossa and Sharp. No you win with your top, high end skilled players and depth players in the bottom 6.
Let's disregard the fact that those players are 3rd liners or worst at best and are not even remotely close to being as valuable as Kane, Toews, Hossa and Sharp. No you win with your top, high end skilled players and depth players in the bottom 6.
Brashear, Shelly, Boogaard, Rupp, and Hollweg were all bad.
Arron Asham can play hockey and scores some clutch goals.
Colton Orr does his job well, not a great player but better than the guys in the first group.
Haley, idk what to say about him, I do think he can play though.
Got you further then last season then without them.
Asham scored big goals in playoffs
Rupp very solid vet took regular shift not a goon
Shelly was best ranger on the ice fOr short time when with us
Haley never played Orr was on a shut down fourth line with hollweg and betts did a great job under renney torts never played him ..
Next bad point ?
Asham had 2 goals in the regular season this past season. He is an offensive blackhole to this roster. There is a reason why he was a frequent healthy scratch, even in the playoffs. His toughness and grit got the team nowhere.
Asham was a big time liability on the ice and was also scratched further on for good reasons.
Rupp couldn't take regular shifts and cost the team in the playoffs with boneheaded penalties and lack of ability to skate. Zucc would've made a world wind of a difference if he was on the roster instead.
I agree Shelly played well for his stint, but the Flyers haven't even played him for good reasons too the past 2 seasons.
Orr is an utter liability at ES statistical wise.
All of those players are terrible at the game of hockey at this point in their careers. I miss none of them.
Those 'skilled' players aren't even that skilled in the first place when you rack it up against the Hawks, Pens, Bruins, Kings, Blues, etc. That list consists of tweeners, one borderline star player and one washed up player that can't skate anymore.
What about Ryan Callahan? How far has he gotten this team? For such a gritty, tough player, Callahan is one of the team's worst playoff performers.
Whats the point here? I think everyone agrees you need a blend of skill and toughness.
And personally, I think its quite plain to see that the Rangers are not championship caliber in either category.
NYR Viper
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Lucic, Horton, Marchand, Getzlaf, Perry, Bertuzzi, Kunitz
I mean let's not act like Chicago was the only team to ever win The Cup.
Getzlaf and Perry are far from the tough guys this thread is asking for. They are elite, skilled players that engage aggressively in the offensive zone. In terms of skill level, where the heck can the Rangers find players of that ilk? Toughness aside, they are extremely talented hockey players, more so than any player on the Rangers roster. That's exactly the point I'm trying to send across, the Rangers struggled because of lack of talent and skill level, not because of grittiness and toughness.
Betuzzi never won the cup. Marchand/Horton are on par of the toughness that Callahan has, but are much more talented players skill wise, hockey sense wise and naturally gifted mitts and scoring touch. Lucic is the guy here you can mention, but he struggled immensely in that cup winning postseason and as usual, was carried by the superior David Krejci.
Of course I'm a fan of this team! And people seemingly ignore my posts on McDonagh, Girardi, Stepan, Boyle, Lundqvist, Stralman, MDZ, etc. I have a preference of players that I like and am not quite a fan of, as most posters here are.
