Social Media Septic Tank Thread

[TB87]

The production split cases are weird because besides making a relatively small sample even smaller, you are basically giving other guys a free pass for not producing against weaker competition.

I don’t recall production splits via quality of competition being a talking point for really any other Flyers forward in recent memory. Recent, as in the past decade or so. Maybe longer? It’s a reductive exercise that is meaningless.

 

[TB87]

That's because they bought into the bad pr spin on him

Ah, that tracks! The TV broadcasters definitely aren’t fans of his. JJ in particular.

 

[volnoir]

Ah, that tracks! The TV broadcasters definitely aren’t fans of his. JJ in particular.

He was the main piece in the Schenn trade, and when drafted was putting up 100+ point seasons in the Soo. I think people thought he would walk in here and instantly be a 60-70pts centre.

 

[Magua]

"Morgan Frost only scores against bad teams!" Say fans of the team that would have lost to the Sharks had it not been for Morgan Frost.

Says fans of the team that DID lose to the Sharks (0-10-1) while scratching Morgan Frost.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Therein*

Oh damn what's that big buffoon up to now?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Ah, that tracks! The TV broadcasters definitely aren’t fans of his. JJ in particular.

JJ you can really tell. He does not make JJ horny because he does not do FIGHTING.

 

[BernieParent]

I don’t recall production splits via quality of competition being a talking point for really any other Flyers forward in recent memory. Recent, as in the past decade or so. Maybe longer? It’s a reductive exercise that is meaningless.

Excuse my laziness for not looking it up but the mattress-like "Do not remove under penalty of Torts" label was stuck to Frost after he put up 2 4-point games against Arizona last season and then went quiet, no?

Edit: I unlazied myself.

 

[Striiker]

JJ is an unbearable piece of shit and I will never willingly watch a game with his horrible voice and empty skull ever again.

Opponent's feed or muted. Both are infinitely superior.

 

[Cody Webster]

What rebuild?

 

[freakydallas13]

Says fans of the team that DID lose to the Sharks (0-10-1) while scratching Morgan Frost.

The Flyers have proven twice this season they can't beat the Sharks without Frost.

 

[trostol]

Bill straight up top kool-aid drinker

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Nice to see Charlies. uncles give him props

 

[TB87]

Bill straight up top kool-aid drinker

They don’t have a single elite player. I don’t understand how you can watch this team, as currently constructed, and think: this is a very good team and the “rebuild” is moving along nicely and ahead of schedule. Last I checked, the only team in the last 20 years who won a cup without elite talent was the Blues and Hurricanes. 10% of the last 20 Cup winners lol. It’s not a formula for success to just have depth pieces. TK is a very good player but an elite talent he is not. Otherwise, this team is bereft of the talent needed to win a Cup and they seemingly have no intention of going the route needed to acquire it.

 

[BernieParent]

The other side of the optimism coin is that this season has all the makings of an outlier, with several teams either finally hitting the age wall (Penguins and, to a lesser extent, Washington) or seriously underperforming (NJ, Tampa Bay all season; Carolina, Toronto, Edmonton early on). The Flyers did some very good things to get out to a plus start but who had Vancouver leading the league well into the season?

 

[GKJ]

The other side of the optimism coin is that this season has all the makings of an outlier, with several teams either finally hitting the age wall (Penguins and, to a lesser extent, Washington) or seriously underperforming (NJ, Tampa Bay all season; Carolina, Toronto, Edmonton early on). The Flyers did some very good things to get out to a plus start but who had Vancouver leading the league well into the season?

Winnipeg was supposed to be in a retool as well

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Bill straight up top kool-aid drinker

Development of what? Lappy hasn't produced any worthy f***ing players since he's been a coach in the AHL.

Also, can't wait for Bonk to go the way of JOB and prove this crappy tweet wrong.

 

[VladDrag]

They don’t have a single elite player. I don’t understand how you can watch this team, as currently constructed, and think: this is a very good team and the “rebuild” is moving along nicely and ahead of schedule. Last I checked, the only team in the last 20 years who won a cup without elite talent was the Blues and Hurricanes. 10% of the last 20 Cup winners lol. It’s not a formula for success to just have depth pieces. TK is a very good player but an elite talent he is not. Otherwise, this team is bereft of the talent needed to win a Cup and they seemingly have no intention of going the route needed to acquire it.

**I agree with the overall opinion - they need more skill, so this is just a nuanced discussion.**

I guess it depends on what your definition of elite talent is, but I firmly believe that TK is an elite winger. His tracking data is below - according to all three zones tracking, he's in the 95th (or better) percentile for shots, shot assists, primary contributions, chance contributions, chance assists, high danger assists, one-timer assists, cycle & forecheck offense, rush offense, entries with chances, and controlled entries with chances.

He's also 26th of 354 forwards (500m) in ES xGAR Offense, and 29th of 354 in ES GAR offense.

Again, I'm not saying this to be divisive, but I don't know if TK gets enough credit for how good of a player his is. I've been saying this since last year, but with a legitimate 1C, not even an elite 1C, someone like Eriksson Ek, he's a 90 point player IMO.

What does he look like in TOR instead of Marner, for example? I'm not saying he's as good as Marner, but it's pretty clear that Marner and Matthews benefit from playing with each other. It would be nice to see prime TK with a real 1C.

 

[TB87]

**I agree with the overall opinion - they need more skill, so this is just a nuanced discussion.**

I guess it depends on what your definition of elite talent is, but I firmly believe that TK is an elite winger. His tracking data is below - according to all three zones tracking, he's in the 95th (or better) percentile for shots, shot assists, primary contributions, chance contributions, chance assists, high danger assists, one-timer assists, cycle & forecheck offense, rush offense, entries with chances, and controlled entries with chances.

He's also 26th of 354 forwards (500m) in ES xGAR Offense, and 29th of 354 in ES GAR offense.

Again, I'm not saying this to be decisive, but I don't know if TK gets enough credit for how good of a player his is. I've been saying this since last year, but with a legitimate 1C, not even an elite 1C, someone like Eriksson Ek, he's a 90 point player IMO.

What does he look like in TOR instead of Marner, for example? I'm not saying he's as good as Marner, but it's pretty clear that Marner and Matthews benefit from playing with each other. It would be nice to see prime TK with a real 1C.



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I appreciate this post. I haven’t followed Corey’s tracking data for awhile. Really impressive work from TK here.

I badly want the Flyers to win the Cup but I’m just not seeing a viable path towards them achieving this goal anytime soon. The front office seems to be patting themselves on the back for not having a terrible season. They need more talent. Everywhere. It’s hard to get excited about them and the future of the team and though since they seemingly think they can win a Cup with lots of depth. It’s so frustrating to see them doing the same shit over and over again and expecting a different result.

 

[VladDrag]

I appreciate this post. I haven’t followed Corey’s tracking data for awhile. Really impressive work from TK here.

I badly want the Flyers to win the Cup but I’m just not seeing a viable path towards them achieving this goal anytime soon. The front office seems to be patting themselves on the back for not having a terrible season. They need more talent. Everywhere. It’s hard to get excited about them and the future of the team and though since they seemingly think they can win a Cup with lots of depth. It’s so frustrating to see them doing the same shit over and over again and expecting a different result.

Yeah - you won't see me disagree there. They are IMO the following away:

1C
1W (probably Michkov)
1D

 

[freakydallas13]

Yeah - you won't see me disagree there. They are IMO the following away:

1C
1W (probably Michkov)
1D

On the plus side, all of those will be much easier to acquire than secondary depth pieces.

 

[Striiker]

I want to know what made Meltzer pick Frost to defend, out of all the players who were horribly misused and shit on by this dumbass fanbase.

 

[Audible Velvet]

I want to know what made Meltzer pick Frost to defend, out of all the players who were horribly misused and shit on by this dumbass fanbase.

Definitely doesn’t seem like his type

 

[Striiker]

Definitely doesn’t seem like his type

Which says a lot about him

 

[BillDineen]

All for people passionate about hockey, but who the F cares these days about this?

Flyers’ Next Shift program promotes female mentorship | Philadelphia Flyers

College-age women get opportunity to shadow members of organization, ‘build the pipeline’

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[Magua]

The only difference statistically between the Flyers and Senators is the PK. That’s it. Ottawa actually has a better 5v5 GF%.

You’re huffing New Era of Orange paint if you’re not taking the Senators talent. Oh, they don’t have a plan! The Flyers would never.