So when are people gonna start talking about Zach Hyman?

[Stringer Bell]

Kadri + Hyman > Tavares

I'm a Leafs fan and you can easily argue either one of those on their own > Tavares.

 

[um]

Context matters. Read the thread. I don't need to regurgitate the same analysis that's already been provided.

Just because there’s reasons for a mistake, doesn’t mean it’s not a mistake.

Leafs have been bleeding depth for years, Hyman was the biggest hit.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Dubas comes from the same hockey mindset as Twitter; skill is all that matters and when faced with a decision to choose either skill or grit, you take skill every time.

Fortunately for Edmonton, Hyman is a perfect fit with them. In Dubas's defense, he wouldn't be half as effective on the Leafs.

And yet half as effective Hyman is worth $5.5m x 7 on any team. He's an anomaly.

I highly doubt anyone trying to crap on the Leafs for letting him go thought it was a good signing the day of for the Oilers.

I'm a Leafs fan and you can easily argue either one of those on their own > Tavares.

Please bring back Kadri!

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I'm a Leafs fan and you can easily argue either one of those on their own > Tavares.

It's funny to think that if you believe the rumours, apparently Edmonton and San Jose offered even more.......................

Where's Edmonton? (SCF) Where's San Jose (way down there in the toilet)

Hmmm.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Hyman only needs 3 more goals to outscore Matthews this year

 

[rahad]

Maybe is the team or Toronto media pressure? Kessel won 3 Stanley cups after leaving Toronto. Can Hyman do the same with Edmonton?

 

[Oddbob]

He never was, the leading goal scorer is Hyman. He has 9 more goals than McDavid.

He also gets most of them from playing with McDavid. How many in TO? Not very many,

 

[Gorskyontario]

I kinda agree with just about everything you're saying.

I keep saying "hindsight" because that's what we have now. Super easy to shit on an organization years later and say "they should have kept this player, they shouldn't have signed that player"

Really easy low hanging fruit if you want to rip on another team.

So I can just let it all go. It is what it is. That happened, hopefully something was learned and will be remembered.

Yeah, we really didn't have the cap room for the Hyman that was a Leaf. Tavares was a mistake, yet not a mistake at the time necessarily.

And yet, I feel like he's a very ineffective captain. Dude is a robot. Does he have an emotional pulse? Does he ever come across to anyone like in the locker room, he inspires or challenges the rest of the team?

I feel like if he has concerns about anything, he goes to management reluctanly and takes questions. I don't get the feeling he's in the room hyping them up or anything. Like just a useless leader really.

Morgan Rielly should have been the captain after Phaneuf who was also a robot type (worst Leafs captain since I've been a fan)

I should go do something else though. Zach Hyman has turned into an incredible hockey player. He is a rare thing and to think talk used to be about how he came from money and had favours galore to get into the NHL...................

Phaneuf barely got respect in the handshake line. Since the leafs got Tavares, respect has only went up.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Maybe is the team or Toronto media pressure? Kessel won 3 Stanley cups after leaving Toronto. Can Hyman do the same with Edmonton?

Is this real life? Let's wait and see!

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I'm a Leafs fan and you can easily argue either one of those on their own > Tavares.

I think it's reasonable to assess that both Kadri and Hyman had motivation when they were discarded. Hyman has 14 playoff goals and counting these playoffs, let's not forget he also had 11 in 16 games in 22. The guy's game is built for the playoffs, Kadri had 9 in 15 games in 20 right after Dubas traded him for scraps, and obcourse was a vital part of the Avs cup team with 7 in 16 games. He saluted his cup win moment with to all those that thought I was a playoff liabilty can kiss my ..... A big part of me, wants Hyman to also have his moment if he can pull off a Cup win. he would have taken a discount for the Leafs. Shake your head. As I said earlier in the thread, you can't have 2 bigger misreads of a GM of letting go 2 playoffs performers that play with a huge heart that would have killed to remain as Leafs let go for nothing, and or scraps have a huge role in winning the cup than Dubas made. I have never seen so much incompetence from a GM in all my years of following the game. Every goal Hyman scores these playoffs is just making a futher case he may be the best UFA signing in NHL history.

 

[CookiesAndMilk]

What Ive been told is that Hyman is an annual 50 goal scorer even without McDavid.

You've been told a lot of things in this forum. Don't believe everything you read and form your own opinions.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I'm a Leafs fan and you can easily argue either one of those on their own > Tavares.

Imo Hyman>Tavares>Kadri.

 

[Dog]

Hyman was going to be a 25+ goal scorer for Leafs and with McDavid a 50+ goal scorer. All depends on your ice time and pp time.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He also gets most of them from playing with McDavid. How many in TO? Not very many,

Does’t matter McDavid Is not close to Hyman in goals, and Connor was never a leaf,.

 

[TS Quint]

Year	Cap	Growth	Year	Cap	Growth
18-19	79.5		18-19	79.5
19-20	81.5	2.52%	19-20	81.5	2.52%
20-21	81.5	0.00%	20-21	83.5	2.50%
21-22	81.5	0.00%	21-22	87.7	5.00%
22-23	82.5	1.23%	22-23	92.1	5.00%
23-24	83.5	1.21%	23-24	96.7	5.00%
24-25	87.7	5.03%	24-25	101.5	5.00%
25-26	92	4.90%	25-26	106.6	5.00%

Left is actual, right is projected.

The entirety of the Tavares contract being bad and handcuffing Toronto is due to a Black Swan event. The 21-22 season was the first of the new US TV deal with TNT/ESPN, so the cap would have gone up that year without the pandemic bottoming out revenues. Hyman signs in Toronto with that extra 6 million in cap space they were "supposed" to have. When Dubas was talking about not needing to move any of the Core 4, the projection on the right was his working assumption, and he'd have been correct. Imagine how much better their depth would have been with an extra 10-15 million in cap space, with all their big contracts already signed.

Leafs fans still acting like the flat cap only happened to them. SMH.

 

[TS Quint]

.... Matthews was guaranteed to get 10.5 million at minimum seeing as Eichel got 10 million and wasn't as good of a player nor had lead his team to the playoffs.

These guys aren't comparable.

Eichel took 8 years on his contract while Shanahan could only get 5 years. Over 8 years Eichel got $80m while Matthews got an average of $97,945,000 or a cap hit of $12,243,125. Vs $10m. These guys aren't comparable. The only comparable player is McDavid.....in contract only.

I don't think many Leafs fans understand what a big financial win it was for their stars to not
take 8 years.

 

[HolyGhost]

Leafs preferred mariner and JT

 

[Bobby9]

Well, this year isn't the same as last year... so far.

Figured I started this thread last year so id bump it up this year. What happened to my boy?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Lot of people are pissed who drafted him early

 

[Suntouchable13]

Well, this year isn't the same as last year... so far.

Figured I started this thread last year so id bump it up this year. What happened to my boy?

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Clearly, the pressure to reach 400 career points is too much

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Hyman was Cheechoo 2.0 last year

Lot of people are pissed who drafted him early

I had the 5th pick and took him in the 3rd or 4th round lol. I mean he plays with McDavid but even he isnt playing like himself

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Hyman was Cheechoo 2.0 last year


I had the 5th pick and took him in the 3rd or 4th round lol. I mean he plays with McDavid but even he isnt playing like himself

He went 18th overall in my draft

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Lot of people are pissed who drafted him early

He been drafted years ago,no?

 

[The Nuge]

Remember last year when people were talking about how the Oilers suck and Oilers fans said over time the horrific shooting and save percentages would normalize and the team would suddenly start winning? The Oilers are second last in both categories again. It’ll normalize. Hyman is likely never finishing top 3 in the NHL in goal scoring again, but he’s pretty clearly a 60+ point guy, and will be fine

 

[Mattilaus]

Incoming Hyman hatty