Post-Game Talk: Slip slippin' away Jets get clobbered

[GNP]

Remember when the Jets clobbered the Ducks 9-2, Carlyle lost his job shortly thereafter. I don't think Maurice is in the same boat here, but a 1st place team that's supposed to be a Cup contender should never get blown out like that.

I really think it's time to split up Wheeler and Scheifele -- the same way that Colorado has done with the MacKinnon line. It may pay off bigtime. Need to shake up the team.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Mark Scheifele looked slow and tired. He could be injured. Blake Wheeler is not playing as well as earlier in the season. Both could use some rest by limiting their ice time to maybe 15:00 minutes per game.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Based on the post game presser, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a rift between Maurice and Wheeler, especially given Wheelers play and effort the last few weeks.

Unfortunately, our captain has responded by sulking on and off the ice. Give the C to someone who can manage effort expectations over the course of an entire season

You don't rip the C off Wheeler's jersey at this stage in the season.

 

[Evil Little]

What a strange way to say "I have no idea what I'm talking about."

He wants to 'conveniently' swing by to gloat that the Jets lost this game (like he said they would? I guess I missed that post) but also conveniently forgets all the things he predicted that never came true.

It's like the boy who cried corsi.

Not to mention the fact that all the shit that gets repeated as 'fancystats' (5-on-5 shot-share) aren't what lost the Jets that game. It was special teams and then eventually the emotional response to losing--one of those intangibles that supposedly don't exist.

 

[GNP]

DELETE

 

[ffh]

Apparently, by listening to the broadcast, the Jet's won the last 4 games straight in Colorado, so no time to panic just yet -- but they did look bad.

jets lost the last 4 there.

 

[Atoyot]

He wants to 'conveniently' swing by to gloat that the Jets lost this game (like he said they would? I guess I missed that post) but also conveniently forgets all the things he predicted that never came true.

It's like the boy who cried corsi.

Not to mention the fact that all the **** that gets repeated as 'fancystats' (5-on-5 shot-share) aren't what lost the Jets that game. It was special teams and then eventually the emotional response to losing--one of those intangibles that supposedly don't exist.

He said that their record was unsustainable the way they were playing, and it was, and now they're moving towards where the numbers say they should be. It's not about one game, they've looked bad for awhile now and their record is starting to show it.

Nobody ever claimed Postma would be a star, in fact what was said about Postma was that he's a very serviceable and competent 3rd pairing defenceman.

Nobody ever said intangibles don't exist, just that they're not measurable so there's no point in including them into any predictive formulas. Also while they exist their importance is likely overstated. But that's impossible to know. Because they're not measurable. Because they're intangibles.

 

[GNP]

jets lost the last 4 there.

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Yikes --"my mistake" -- I better delete my post. I heard the broadcaster wrong then -- must have been the other way around.

 

[ffh]

He said that their record was unsustainable the way they were playing, and it was, and now they're moving towards where the numbers say they should be. It's not about one game, they've looked bad for awhile now and their record is starting to show it.

Nobody ever claimed Postma would be a star, in fact what was said about Postma was that he's a very serviceable and competent 3rd pairing defenceman.

Nobody ever said intangibles don't exist, just that they're not measurable so there's no point in including them into any predictive formulas. Also while they exist their importance is likely overstated. But that's impossible to know. Because they're not measurable. Because they're intangibles.

and did we need fancy stats that he was bragging about to tell us that or could people that have no need for them not see the team playing bad for along time. whats the point about bragging about the bloody obvious.

 

[Evil Little]

He said that their record was unsustainable the way they were playing, and it was, and now they're moving towards where the numbers say they should be. It's not about one game, they've looked bad for awhile now and their record is starting to show it.

Their record is starting to show them still leading the Central division.

 

[Atoyot]

Their record is starting to show them still leading the Central division.

And ignoring "fancy stats" and going entirely by the eye test, do they look like a division leading team the past 15ish games?

 

[Ducky10]

and did we need fancy stats that he was bragging about to tell us that or could people that have no need for them not see the team playing bad for along time. whats the point about bragging about the bloody obvious.

Why would people have no need for stats? That's just narrow minded and wrong. You realize NHL teams employ people to provide them with stats people have no need for.

The only problem with stats is how some people use them.

 

[ffh]

Why would people have no need for stats? That's just narrow minded and wrong. You realize NHL teams employ people to provide them with stats people have no need for.

The only problem with stats is how some people use them.

yes I am aware of that but nobody around here works for the nhl. did you need stats to tell you they have been playing bad for a long while.

 

[Evil Little]

And ignoring "fancy stats" and going entirely by the eye test, do they look like a division leading team the past 15ish games?

Well, yes, because every team struggles occasionally.

Even the mighty Hurricanes.

 

[Ducky10]

yes I am aware of that but nobody around here works for the nhl. did you need stats to tell you they have been playing bad for a long while.

Well that's not entirely true and what difference does that make anyway?

Yes, stats have helped give a broader and more accurate picture to what my eye was generally telling me. Not sure why that's a bad thing.

 

[Atoyot]

I mean, one person does work for an NHL team as a stats guy. The guy who came by and "bragged" about being right. @ffh

 

[SensibleGuy]

yes I am aware of that but nobody around here works for the nhl. did you need stats to tell you they have been playing bad for a long while.

some people apparently did. All the folks who keep saying stuff like "hey we're in first place" and then go all Alfred E Neuman...

 

[rkp]

They are probably playing up to PoMo's coaching abilities. He has never really had much success has a coach in getting his team into the playoffs or a successful playoff run except once into the SCF. The last number of years despite being a labeled as a playoff team or now as a Stanley Cup contender, they have had only last year as any means of success under PoMo's regime. I don't expect much success in this year's playoff run.

 

[Jets2point0]

You don't rip the C off Wheeler's jersey at this stage in the season.

Yes, I meant next year

 

[Jets2point0]

They are probably playing up to PoMo's coaching abilities. He has never really had much success has a coach in getting his team into the playoffs or a successful playoff run except once into the SCF. The last number of years despite being a labeled as a playoff team or now as a Stanley Cup contender, they have had only last year as any means of success under PoMo's regime. I don't expect much success in this year's playoff run.

I agree with this, except that every single team aside from Tampa, Calgary and possibly San Jose right now are saying the exact same thing about their coaching staffs’ abilities and overall confidence in them

 

[ffh]

some people apparently did. All the folks who keep saying stuff like "hey we're in first place" and then go all Alfred E Neuman...

you want to pat him on the back for stating the obvious go ahead. I have been saying the team has looked terrible for a long time and didn't have to waste hours looking at charts to figure that out either. same with 99% of the posters here. we know they have not been playing good for a while.

 

[Evil Little]

I mean, one person does work for an NHL team as a stats guy. The guy who came by and "bragged" about being right. @ffh

If he had predicted that the special teams were going to turn to shit, then I'd mail him a feather for his f***ing cap, but everyone is and has been talking about the 5-on-5 numbers and that's not where they're losing most of these games.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Time to start to play defense first.

Since that blowout against an Anaheim team that was deliberately trying to get rid of a coach, Jets have played 8 games. They have scored 18 G. They need some offense. They have given up 32 G. They also need D.

They have been equally horrible in both directions and in goal too.

If I didn't know better I'd think that Jets are doing a Ducks. Trying for a new coach. I do know better though.

 

[SensibleGuy]

If he had predicted that the special teams were going to turn to ****, then I'd mail him a feather for his ****ing cap, but everyone is and has been talking about the 5-on-5 numbers and that's not where they're losing most of these games.

I believe what was "predicted" was that the 5v5 numbers were bad and that we were making hay on the back of special teams and that it was probably an unsustainable situation.

 

[Gm0ney]

here's a voice of reason.
in the past 20something years, how often have Stanley Cup champions looked like Stanley Cup champions during the regular season?
since 1985-86 (33 years?) only 8 of the trophy winners won the cup. i.e. 24% chance. Odds of reaching the Cup finals and winning the trophy? not much better. 33%. so having the best record increases your odds of winning the Cup, but it assures nothing.
in the past 10 seasons:

2008–09	San Jose Sharks	117	Lost Conference Quarterfinals (ANA)
2009–10	Washington Capitals	121	Lost Conference Quarterfinals (MTL)
2010–11	Vancouver Canucks	117	Lost Stanley Cup Finals (BOS)
2011–12	Vancouver Canucks	111	Lost Conference Quarterfinals (LAK)
2012–13	Chicago Blackhawks	77[nb 3]	Won Stanley Cup (BOS)
2013–14	Boston Bruins	117	Lost Second Round (MTL)
2014–15	New York Rangers	113	Lost Conference Finals (TBL)
2015–16	Washington Capitals	120	Lost Second Round (PIT)
2016–17	Washington Capitals	118	Lost Second Round (PIT)
2017–18	Nashville Predators	117	Lost Second Round (WPG)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If the question is "What position in the standings gives you the best chances of winning the Stanley Cup?", the answer is: 1st overall...since you can't simultaneously finish in 2nd - 16th position (unless you're using a quantum standings table).