Confirmed Trade: [SJS/NSH] Yaroslav Askarov, Nolan Burke, 2025 COL 3rd round pick for David Edstrom, Magnus Chrona, 2025 SJS/VGK 1st round pick (top 10 conditional)

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You are right, none of us do. Except you because you are the one saying otherwise right?
All you gotta do is look at returns on player with full NMC's and it ain't hard to figure out that even if they do waive they rarely if ever return a haul. It always ends up being way less than people on these boards think.

Generally they want to go to a contender. Know what a contender generally doesn't have? A load of anything to make a big return. He probably pulls a 1st, a couple of more picks and an ok prospect, if they even have one.
 

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All you gotta do is look at returns on player with full NMC's and it ain't hard to figure out that even if they do waive they rarely if ever return a haul. It always ends up being way less than people on these boards think.

Generally they want to go to a contender. Know what a contender generally doesn't have? A load of anything to make a big return. He probably pulls a 1st, a couple of more picks and an ok prospect, if they even have one.
So you previous post you said no one knows...except you right?

Eichel with a broken neck got 1st. Top 6 and a top prospect.
 

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It’s fine to say Nashville shouldn’t have signed vets, but they wouldn’t probably wouldn’t have gotten hauls for the guys with NMC’s and they certainly wouldn’t have turned it around quickly with the hauls.

As far as the return, a first is pretty good for a prospect goalie so I don’t see the fuss.
 

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It's crazy looking at the NHL standings right now. Most people thought the signings made the Predators contenders again to go along with that trio.

Instead, they are just 2 points out of last...overall. With just Chicago behind them knocking on their door. Crazy.

A lot of hockey fans didn't buy in to their completely out of whack hype job. They had a completely unsustainable run last year and this offseason completely changed the identity of their team. They don't have role players anymore, just a bunch of guys that want to shoot on the powerplay. The core wasn't good enough to supplement with a couple of former stars on retirement contracts.

The hype from the media that had predictions as far as them winning the Western Conference were completely out of touch the moment they were made. They were a good story last year, and because they have a fanbase that doesn't annoy people through social media or wherever they were given flowers on their offseason.
 

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A lot of hockey fans didn't buy in to their completely out of whack hype job. They had a completely unsustainable run last year and this offseason completely changed the identity of their team. They don't have role players anymore, just a bunch of guys that want to shoot on the powerplay. The core wasn't good enough to supplement with a couple of former stars on retirement contracts.

The hype from the media that had predictions as far as them winning the Western Conference were completely out of touch the moment they were made. They were a good story last year, and because they have a fanbase that doesn't annoy people through social media or wherever they were given flowers on their offseason.
In all fairness, they built a team that should be a major contender. It just so happens their biggest acquisitions have really started slowly. If both Marchy and Stammer were producing at half the rate they should be the team is in a playoff spot.
 

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In all fairness, they built a team that should be a major contender. It just so happens their biggest acquisitions have really started slowly. If both Marchy and Stammer were producing at half the rate they should be the team is in a playoff spot.

There's nothing about their roster that says to me they are a major contender. If anything you followed the hype train as well and are overrating Stamkos and Marchassault. So no, not in all fairness at all.

Before the season I thought they would challenge for a wildcard spot and a good season would've been 3rd in the Central.
 
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There's nothing about their roster that says to me they are a major contender. If anything you followed the hype train as well and are overrating Stamkos and Marchassault. So no, not in all fairness at all.

Before the season I thought they would challenge for a wildcard spot and a good season would've been 3rd in the Central.
IT was a combination of both their acquisitions and the state of the other teams. I thought Winnipeg and Minnesota were both going to regress and I expected Colorado to be exactly who they are with their goaltending. Dallas didn't do much to address their defense and the loss of Pavs obviously hurt more than anyone expected. The division, I predicted, wasn't going to be all that strong and frankly I still don't think it is.
 

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IT was a combination of both their acquisitions and the state of the other teams. I thought Winnipeg and Minnesota were both going to regress and I expected Colorado to be exactly who they are with their goaltending. Dallas didn't do much to address their defense and the loss of Pavs obviously hurt more than anyone expected. The division, I predicted, wasn't going to be all that strong and frankly I still don't think it is.

You're predictions were wrong to this point.
 

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Is that you Trotz? Want a list of players traded with NMC? I can't believe how many times people post this kind of stuff.

Hey Josi want to be a part of a rebuild?
Josi - Ah hell no.

Ok then loosen up the NMC

Its not difficult.
You know what else isn't difficult? Making up unlikely and unrealistically simplified scenarios that just so happen to prove your point of it not being difficult.

You know what else isn't difficult? Replying with a post that doesn't have anything to do with what the other person said. They didn't say it can't happen. They quite literally said that those kinds of trades don't typically bring back the haul that people might expect due to the limiting nature of the clause itself. Why would someone who is strongly implying those types of trades have happened need a list of those types of trades that have happened? It sounds like you're just trying to start an argument that you can win by saying whatever you want regardless of what the other person said.
 

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You know what else isn't difficult? Making up unlikely and unrealistically simplified scenarios that just so happen to prove your point of it not being difficult.

You know what else isn't difficult? Replying with a post that doesn't have anything to do with what the other person said. They didn't say it can't happen. They quite literally said that those kinds of trades don't typically bring back the haul that people might expect due to the limiting nature of the clause itself. Why would someone who is strongly implying those types of trades have happened need a list of those types of trades that have happened? It sounds like you're just trying to start an argument that you can win by saying whatever you want regardless of what the other person said.
"making up scenarios"

Want a list of players who waived their NMC/NTC?
 

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A lot of hockey fans didn't buy in to their completely out of whack hype job. They had a completely unsustainable run last year and this offseason completely changed the identity of their team. They don't have role players anymore, just a bunch of guys that want to shoot on the powerplay. The core wasn't good enough to supplement with a couple of former stars on retirement contracts.

The hype from the media that had predictions as far as them winning the Western Conference were completely out of touch the moment they were made. They were a good story last year, and because they have a fanbase that doesn't annoy people through social media or wherever they were given flowers on their offseason.

Yea I think it was fair to think they could compete for the playoffs again, as Saros has shown he can be a difference maker, and Josi and Forsberg are great players having slow starts. I think they’re certainly capable of being a much better team than they’ve shown. I didn’t understand the contender talk though, when ROR, Nyquist, Stamkos and Marchessault are all getting old and were unlikely to repeat their seasons. I think the loss of McDonagh was also ignored, and he was a big part of their success last year.
 

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Yea I think it was fair to think they could compete for the playoffs again, as Saros has shown he can be a difference maker, and Josi and Forsberg are great players having slow starts. I think they’re certainly capable of being a much better team than they’ve shown. I didn’t understand the contender talk though, when ROR, Nyquist, Stamkos and Marchessault are all getting old and were unlikely to repeat their seasons. I think the loss of McDonagh was also ignored, and he was a big part of their success last year.

Had them fighting for a wildcard.

They are definitely way lower than their talent but I'm also not that surprised they are struggling this badly. Expectation and big change can be a poisonous combo in hockey, where the talent on paper doesn't always reflect the standings.
 
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A lot of hockey fans didn't buy in to their completely out of whack hype job. They had a completely unsustainable run last year and this offseason completely changed the identity of their team. They don't have role players anymore, just a bunch of guys that want to shoot on the powerplay. The core wasn't good enough to supplement with a couple of former stars on retirement contracts.

The hype from the media that had predictions as far as them winning the Western Conference were completely out of touch the moment they were made. They were a good story last year, and because they have a fanbase that doesn't annoy people through social media or wherever they were given flowers on their offseason.
It was fun seeing us sign these guys for sure. As many have said, you don't win a Cup in July. A few thoughts about FA and Askarov.

1. You are spot on with the "streak". While they had a great record for a long stretch of play, it was a mirage by playing so-so teams or good teams who were missing core players. I want to say we beat Vegas and both Eichel and Stone were out and I think Piertrangelo was too.

2. There hasn't been a team in my recollection that had a core as old as Nashville's that won a Cup. If we had added Stamkos and Marchessault to a contending roster where youth were driving the play, that would've been a different story.

3. They didn't address the center situation in FA, which is where they should've put their money. Counting on Novak to be the 2C hasn't worked out. ROR is a step slower this year and looks like a low end 2C or high end 3C at this point in his career.

4. While I get Trotz was going all in with these signings, he also tied the team to Saros because he thought he might have a contender. My guess is he got the big 3 to sign because he told them Saros would be here for the foreseeable future. While Saros has been a top 5 goalie over the past several years, hitching your wagon to a guy who hasn't won a playoff series wasn't the play to make.

When Poile was stepping down and Trotz was taking over, the team was selling off pieces. That was the time to move Saros as he had 2 full seasons left on a ridiculous contract with 3 playoffs to play. While Nashville has always built from the goalie out, you had your future goalie in place, you had a good young pipeline, give the reigns to the kids and Askarov. If they flopped, high draft pick last year, in a strong draft. Instead, they've moved on from some good young talent, stockpiled picks for this coming draft, which is relatively weak so saying, hey, we've got 3 1st round picks, is not really exciting this fan.
 

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A lot of teams look stupid for not trying to trade for Askarov.

I'm sure teams tried but some had limited assets. Colorado already dealt its first and Nashville maybe didn't want to deal within the division (ditto Utah as a suitor). New Jersey didn't have its 2025 1st and we have a dearth of center prospects which Nashville has been coveting.
 

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