Again, the results are that he has the worst team in the league. We don't have to go back far to see teams that have done this and the picks didn't pan out and they went through even more "rebuilds". Edmonton, Buffalo and Arizona come to mind just in the past decade.
Whos script? Karlsson had value it's just that most people on this website don't like him and think he's a 4th forward. Congrats on the Sharks getting 14 overall just like the Sens got 3rd overall when they traded Karlsson which NOBODY saw coming.
Yes. When they traded away multiple former cornerstone pieces Taylor Hall, Eberle and Yakupov, I consider that starting the rebuild over. Unless you think trading away multiple #1 overalls was part of the original plan
Not sure if they went through multiple rebuilds but what do you call 4 first overalls and a top 3 pick in a 5-year span?
Yeah that was a dumb, shortsighted move thats for sure, even though nobody expected things to turn out the way they did.
If you're looking at those results for a rebuilding club in its second year, you're already being dishonest for the sake of argument.
Weird. It was all within a 5 year span (Taylor to Connor) and they never moved out of the top 10. It was all part of the same rebuild. In fact, Connor and Taylor even played together.
A rebuild?
The fact Grier got ANY value for EK even with his historical season is a miracle in itself. EK wasn't just gonna go for the sake of going, NO team was going to trade for an 11.5 million dollar aging D-man with injury history. Combine that with the fact the owner wasn't interested in anything more than minimal retention and you're basically out of options. The fact Grier got a first round pick and a pretty viable piece in Granlund is impressive.
It took a while, lol, the organization lived in denial for about 3 full seasons from 2020-2022, it wasn't until the 2022 offseason they even began their tepid slide into a rebuild but by the trade deadline that year it was a fire sale
I like Luchenko a lot. I know he's already leaving a sour taste because of who else was available, but Jett's a fun player.
As a fellow hater of the Pittsburgh Penguins, I hope your time comes sooner rather than later
Yea I kinda look at your guys' roster and wonder what the plan is. I know Sanheim, Tippett, and Farabee are pretty good but it seems kinda odd to commit these guys to the core. So it's a slightly older group and you may end up being a little too good to add more elite talent to match Michkov.
And you're claiming he's accomplished something when he hasn't. The players he's drafted haven't even cracked the NHL yet. "There's no arguing with the results so far." Uh yeah there is because he's accomplished nothing on the ice. You're just drinking flavor aid at this point.
No it was not. You think the Oilers rebuild plan was to suck for 8-10 years straight? Weren't you following the Sharks at the time? The team just sucked despite the rebuild attempt. They couldn't put together a good team, so they kept getting high picks. No teams rebuild plan is to suck for a decade straight.
Wait, so you think they went to the Stanley cup finals and then immediately decided to go into rebuild mode? They tried for the next three years, they declined and started to change things around in 08-09. It certainly didn't help having an ownership group in flux that couldn't/wouldn't make any financial commitments, so the team floundered until Katz finally came in. New ownership, new front office. Barely missed the playoffs. in 09-10 they bottomed out finally and began their rebuild. A team missing the playoffs doesn't mean they're rebuilding. Some of their picks didn't work out. Some of their trades didn't work out. It was a slow process. The sharks plan was never to suck for 8-10 years either but because DW refused to accept a rebuild was needed he kept trying to put band-aids on gunshot wounds. Because of that the team went nowhere for 3-4 years before he was let go and the team finally acknowledged what was needed.
Says the guy who called Sharks fans being satisfied with Grier's rebuild "ball-licking".
How many players drafted in the past two years that Grier was legitimately in control of the draft were you expecting to crack the NHL by now? If your answer is anything but zero then your expectations are not reasonable and this argument is just for the sake of being contrarian. If your answer is zero then this point is meaningless.
No, I think that when they traded Taylor Hall then Jordan Eberle it symbolized that they knew that the team they constructed was not going to win anything and were rebuilding the team around McDavid. Rebuild 1: stinking bad enough to draft Hall, Nuge, Yakupov, Nurse, Leon, McDavid. Rebuild 2: trading Hall, making the playoffs, then trading Eberle away after flailing the next season and continuing to stink bad enough to get top 10 picks to draft Poolparty, Bouchard, Broberg. You can't just claim it was all one seamless rebuild when they traded away two of their three best players that they drafted with high picks 6-7 years prior.
Why are you putting words in quotes that I never even posted? I said ball-washing.
My answer is zero. So I'm not judging him on that. And I'm not giving him credit for creating cap space when he hasn't used it. If Toffoli looks good with Celebrini, I'll praise Grier for that.
