Confirmed Trade: [SJS/EDM] D Cody Ceci, '25 3rd round pick for D Ty Emberson

[Overkamp]

Well Broberg and Holloway no longer on the nhl.com Oilers roster...think that means something?

Oilers running a huge psych op lol

 

[TheBeard]

Yeah because Florida has a great history of good GMs. Don’t be so emotional. Some teams have bad GMs. The sharks are one of them.

Please explain why he's one of the bad GMs.

 

[Dallasman]

Well Broberg and Holloway no longer on the nhl.com Oilers roster...think that means something?

Were they on it earlier today?

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Well,

Were they on it earlier today?

When I looked around 9am CST they were.

 

[joestevens29]

Were they on it earlier today?

All RFA's appear to be gone from their teams. Unless there is some sort of massive deals happening with Jarvis, Seider and Swayman too

 

[Dallasman]

All RFA's appear to be gone from their teams. Unless there is some sort of massive deals happening with Jarvis, Seider and Swayman too

Figured as much but figured I'd ask since I rarely go onto teams websites to check out their rosters.

 

[Oilslick941611]

No kidding.

But we're going down a bunch of tangents that have nothing to do with my point.

Is Broberg a better defenseman than Ceci as of right now? Yes or no.

Its clearly no.

Broberg has to show he is better than Ceci. He hasn’t done that in the past. There’s little reason to think he will this year as well. He hasn’t shown he’s able to play 20 mins a night for a full season, let alone be better than Ceci at it. The blues took away to chance for the Oilers to see if Broberg could replace Ceci with the offersheet, so you pass on Broberg.

I’m 100% Ceci over Broberg and will be until it’s proven otherwise. it’s a massive gamble the Oilers are taking and even it pans out still need to replace Broberg who replaced Ceci. At this point in the Oilers curve you take proven players over promise.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Please explain why he's one of the bad GMs.

Because everything he has done has been mediocre to garbage. Hertl’s retention was one of the dumbest things ever I’ve seen. He drafted Celebrini wow! That’s his only good move. Why don’t you tell me why he’s even considered “medicore” which would be a best case scenario.

 

[Shane Diesel]

But that is up for debate on their most recent sample of games. Broberg outperformed him in the WCF and SCF. We'll see what this season has in store. I've pointed out various areas that Broberg excels in and laps Ceci by a mile in (puck retrieval, skating, and puck moving).

It really isn't. As of today Ceci is the far better player. And cheaper.

I'm not interested in recency bias.

 

[Oilslick941611]

But that is up for debate on their most recent sample of games. Broberg outperformed him in the WCF and SCF. We'll see what this season has in store. I've pointed out various areas that Broberg excels in and laps Ceci by a mile in (puck retrieval, skating, and puck moving).

He absouletly did not. Look up the fancy stats. Broberg was last of the Oilers D.

 

[TheBeard]

Because everything he has done has been mediocre to garbage. Hertl’s retention was one of the dumbest things ever I’ve seen. He drafted Celebrini wow! That’s his only good move. Why don’t you tell me why he’s even considered “medicore” which would be a best case scenario.

I could name a bunch of moves that worked but, tbh, would it even matter?

 

[McFlyingV]

It really isn't

What isn't up for debate is that Broberg outplayed Ceci in the playoff games they both played. What is up for debate is who will be better this season.

He absouletly did not. Look up the fancy stats. Broberg was last of the Oilers D.

"Fancy stats" show next to nothing in a sample that small. Especially when Broberg was playing with Nurse who was getting caved on "fancy stats" all playoffs.

 

[McFlyingV]

It really isn't. As of today Ceci is the far better player. And cheaper.

I'm not interested in recency bias.

It might be recency bias if I had ever supported the notion that Ceci was a valuable defender on a 2nd pairing. I've never supported that opinion and wanted him traded and upgraded on at the deadline.

 

[Shane Diesel]

"Fancy stats" show next to nothing in a sample that small. Especially when Broberg was playing with Nurse who was getting caved on "fancy stats" all playoffs.

If it's too small a sample to use the "fancy stats" then it's too small a sample to draw conclusions about Broberg's play period. Using any method.

 

[Oilslick941611]

What isn't up for debate is that Broberg outplayed Ceci in the playoff games they both played. What is up for debate is who will be better this season.


"Fancy stats" show next to nothing in a sample that small. Especially when Broberg was playing with Nurse who was getting caved on "fancy stats" all playoffs.

You cant prove anything based on 10 games, you can’t prove Broberg is better than Ceci based on 10 games either. But you can look at Ceci’s whole year and say yes, he’s better than what Broberg brought year. This could be different next year, or in 2 years, but that doesn’t matter, the Oilers need the better D man today.

So your saying you can’t prove that broberg was worse than Ceci on a 10 sample size, but that same 10 game sample size is enough to say that Broberg is better than Ceci?

It might be recency bias if I had ever supported the notion that Ceci was a valuable defender on a 2nd pairing. I've never supported that opinion and wanted him traded and upgraded on at the deadline.

Yeah, and now we can’t upgrade Ceci because we sidegraded to keep a massive question mark in broberg.

 

[Shane Diesel]

It might be recency bias if I had ever supported the notion that Ceci was a valuable defender on a 2nd pairing. I've never supported that opinion and wanted him traded and upgraded on at the deadline.

Cool, he's still better than Broberg overall going into the season. That's the point.

 

[McFlyingV]

If it's too small a sample to use the "fancy stats" then it's too small a sample to draw conclusions about Broberg's play period. Using any method.

I already stated we don't know what the season will hold. I said there's at least some viewings to suggest Broberg could be the better player this year as he was in that sample and got much better results.

Have never said he will be better, but its not out of the realm of possibility.

You cant prove anything based on 10 games, you can’t prove Broberg is better than Ceci based on 10 games either. But you can look at Ceci’s whole year and say yes, he’s better than what Broberg brought year. This could be different next year, or in 2 years, but that doesn’t matter, the Oilers need the better D man today.

So your saying you can’t prove that broberg was worse than Ceci on a 10 sample size, but that same 10 game sample size is enough to say that Broberg is better than Ceci?


Yeah, and now we can’t upgrade Ceci because we sidegraded to keep a massive question mark in broberg.

The Oilers don't need the better D man today. They need the better D in 7 months when the playoffs start. A lot of development can happen in that time, and Broberg hasn't even been signed yet.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If Broberg isn't matched I have a feeling Edmonton has a deal set up for a RHD on a cheaper contract that will use the Blues 2nd rounder.

 

[McFlyingV]

Cool, he's still better than Broberg overall going into the season. That's the point.

I don't really care about that. I care about what he would look like in 7 months in the playoffs if they even decide to match the offer. You keep pointing back to the start of the season when I've clearly outlined my point that development can happen quick once a young player has arrived in the NHL.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Flukes happen all the time.


At this moment in time Ceci is a better defender than Broberg. Cheaper too.

This might change in the future, but considering Bouchard, McDavid and Draisaitl are all do for significant raises very soon, it sure doesn't help Edmonton's contention window this year or next, most likely.

Nobody makes the Cup finals by accident. Edmonton has been building to this. Third round exit to the Cup champs in Colorado, second round exit to the Cup champs in Vegas that said Edmonton was the toughest test they faced, now a loss in the Cup finals.

To hear most of this board tell it Ceci was a make a wish child that found his way into the lineup by accident so it's cute to try to paint him as some loss now.

 

[SirKillalot]

Some teams have bad GMs. The sharks are one of them.

I think they had pretty good GM in the past, and Grier is doing decent so far. Not great, not all the trades he has done has given full value coming their way, but its been hacking and whacking at making the team more set up for the future. Also put together a decent looking d-core that can handle themselves during teams transition and get some assets for them here and there if they play well. Obviously Sharks are thinking long term here.

I do think they been a little unfortunate with some trades their way in terms of the value of taking them or leverage haven't really been there to a very strong degree.

 

[Shane Diesel]

I don't really care about that. I care about what he would look like in 7 months in the playoffs if they even decide to match the offer. You keep pointing back to the start of the season when I've clearly outlined my point that development can happen quick once a young player has arrived in the NHL.

I know development can happen at intervals outside a straight-line.

The point is the Oilers are now worse defensively than they were at the end of last season. And more expensive.

For this gamble to work out Broberg needs to be as good or better than Ceci at the end of the year. We'll see if he's capable of that. There are no guarantees of anything.

 

[TheNumber4]

I’m one of the biggest Ceci detractors in Oilers nation. And even I wasn’t dumb enough to think it’d cost a 1st to dump him. Had his value pegged around a 5th round pick or just future considerations all year. What’s Emberson worth in vacuum? He was the AHLs best defensive defenceman and analytically showed well in the NHL in a small sample. Plus he’s cost controlled. Doms model had him valued at 5M based on his play quality last year. I’d say he’s probably worth a 3rd to 5th round pick, which pegs Ceci’s value exactly where I had it.

Ceci has his warts but he’s still a viable top 4 RHD in this League paid only 3.25M. You don’t play 20 minutes in a Game 7 Stanley cup run if he’s a defenceman that would cost a 1st to dump.

 

[TheNumber4]

It really isn't. As of today Ceci is the far better player. And cheaper.

I'm not interested in recency bias.

He’s not “far better”. Ceci is more experienced and will be the safer bet, but provides nearly nothing past just being safe and serviceable. Broberg has much much higher potential, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s better than Ceci as soon as mid season.

 

[TheNumber4]

People point to Edmonton's low leverage (no cap, a deadline approaching), but the Sharks didn't have much leverage. They either get Ceci (who they want) and a 3rd-round pick, or they get nothing. What else are they going to do with that cap space?

People point to Edmonton's low leverage (no cap, a deadline approaching), but the Sharks didn't have much leverage. They either get Ceci (who they want) and a 3rd-round pick, or they get nothing. What else are they going to do with that cap space?

Truth, the Sharks helped themselves out here by getting value out of Emberson. And also potentially more value out of a Ceci flip at the deadline. Trades are ALWAYS made to help BOTH teams, this is how every trade in the history of the NHL went down on some level. So anyone saying “why would the Blues help the Oilers cap” are f***in morons.