WHOneedsSOX
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Defense definitely needs work but if Lucic is gone then who's your top 9?
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That's not winning you anything either.
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Defense definitely needs work but if Lucic is gone then who's your top 9?
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That's not winning you anything either.
cannot wait that long. AS soon as july 1 hits he will be able to sign anywhere and why would he wait for LA? Kinda like why would Sekera wait for LA to figure out what is goign on with Richards and Voynov when he has guaranteed $$ staring at him.
I think DL should figure the max he can pay Lucic (factoring in and increase in $$ to D) and offer that. If Lucic does not sign shift focus.
If Lucic signs and LA has no $$ to bring in D I think our D will be better next year with Gravel and maybe Forbort up and one year more developed.
This is quickly turning into and offseason gameplan thread witch is premature, but havign a D of Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, McNabb, Gravel, Forbort, Scuder/Greene is not the worse D by a long shot.
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This shows you how important Willie Mitchell and even Regehr were.
No substitute for solid vets on D that can be counted on. Scuderi is not the Scuderi of 2012. Greene is not the Greene of 2012.
Have not been able to replace Mitchell, Voynov or Regehr and it's
been devastating. Sekera was the only viable replacement for any
of these 3 and he played 15 games, got hurt and bolted. You don't replace the likes of those 3 with: Erhoff, (he was good 3 yrs ago) McBain, Schultz, Schenn, 2016 version Scuderi. Crap.
They were hoping for more from McNabb, but he's not progressing.
I have high hopes for Gravel and I think he will be stellar next year and a fixture, but they should have gotten him more than 5 games this year. I think he's the one that needs to play now, given the circumstances. Just too bad he didn't get more games in.
I have hopes that LaDue can be signed and become the 2nd pairing RD, but that doesn't help now. Cernak has a lot of potential as well.
Too bad the Kings don't draft Euro defensemen. (Cernak the exception in last several yrs...and he may be the best of the young D crop) So many Euros have the skill needed now and can skate...which is lacking on the backend now.
No substitute for solid vets on D that can be counted on. Scuderi is not the Scuderi of 2012. Greene is not the Greene of 2012.
Have not been able to replace Mitchell, Voynov or Regehr and it's
been devastating. Sekera was the only viable replacement for any
of these 3 and he played 15 games, got hurt and bolted. You don't replace the likes of those 3 with: Erhoff, (he was good 3 yrs ago) McBain, Schultz, Schenn, 2016 version Scuderi. Crap.
They were hoping for more from McNabb, but he's not progressing.
I have high hopes for Gravel and I think he will be stellar next year and a fixture, but they should have gotten him more than 5 games this year. I think he's the one that needs to play now, given the circumstances. Just too bad he didn't get more games in.
I have hopes that LaDue can be signed and become the 2nd pairing RD, but that doesn't help now. Cernak has a lot of potential as well.
Too bad the Kings don't draft Euro defensemen. (Cernak the exception in last several yrs...and he may be the best of the young D crop) So many Euros have the skill needed now and can skate...which is lacking on the backend now.
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Face it, I don't think we're going to be winning much down the road. This year is our last really good shot.
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Last I read he's been struggling, probably due to the increased amount of games they play in the AHL. I think its wearing him down.
I think McNabb has been progressing, maybe not as quickly as some have hoped but he is not an issue back there.
I think you hit the nail on the head with RR. His impact has been missed.
after looking at his lines without lucic..I like our chances with him and a sub par bottom 3 D than without and a good top 4.
i just posted that above too...we are getting ahead of ourselves here. We should be looking at game 2 not 2 months from now.
2010 me would kick my ass
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Well first off, not sure I'd say Penner was the difference between winning and not winning in 2012, we will never know but the Kings dominated everyone that year.
As far as bringing it up, just showing the reasons why the Kings defense is in the spot it's in. Although it obviously isn't nearly as big a reason as the Voynov situation or those three awful defensive picks in 07, 08 and 10.
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Yup. You could see the makeup of this team coming apart at the seams at different points this year. Major changes are in order, even if it's trimming the fat.
Even if they squeak by SJ, I dunno...I just have zero faith in this current squad.
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Agreed. I recall the first 10 games I saw Regehr here, I was bummed we gave up 2 high picks and thought he was a bit slow, but I changed
my view after that. He was solid and was very physical and not that slow. He has been missed.
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
I still think the Kings really messed with McNabb's development when he was benched last season in favor of Greene. When Sekera got hurt and McNabb was inserted back into the lineup he has never been the same.
For any long time fans, I could easily see McNabb turn into another Sydor or Boucher situation.
BTW, that being said, McNabb had a solid Game 1.
WHOneedsSOX
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Can't really compare McNabb's development to Muzzin's either. McNabb never got groomed in the Kings AHL system. Plus, Muzzin's upside is a lot higher than McNabb's.
Penner was very dominate for us both in 2012 and 2013. He was frustrating as all hell in the regular season but come April Pancake Penner would turn into Playoff Penner.
You are right with how LA steam rolled everyone so it is hard to know what the team would have done without him. However considering the team also barely got into the playoffs maybe they would not have even been at the dance without him.
07 (hickey) - I agree 100% with
08 (Tuebert) - I do not..You cannot point out that draft without pointing out LA got Voynov in the 2nd, plus dealing Tuebert helped get us penner (we may just have to both agree and disagree on that)
10 (Forbort) - McKenzie had him at 11, so it was actually a good get at 15. http://www2.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=39853. Just pointing out it's not like they went off the board like with Hickey.
tsanuri
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So lets not give him a chance to fully adjust.
He's having to play more games, learn how to play on smaller ice, and got injured.
It's just throwing away someone whom I think will be a perfectly good player.
I think some people look at Muzzin as what the development curve should look like, however really it rare not the rule.
honest question for all,
Other than Viktor Arvidsson (only putting him here as he has played so many games), who was selected after kempe in 2014 that is developing faster? Or who would people rather have taken?
Probably not the right thread for that comment, but I am curious.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I'm not talking about the hindsight of the picks themselves. I actually had no issues with Hickey or Forbort at the time. I am talking about the fact that the Kings used three first round picks on defenseman and have absolutely zero to show for it on the current roster, that would hurt any team. And then you add in Voynov and it becomes an even bigger problem.
Hickey (27), Teubert (26), Voynov (26) and Forbort (24) are all basically in what should have been the primes of their career, and we have nothing to show. Tough break for the Kings.
BigKing
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Someone should link to the PGT after Games 1-3 of the SJ series in '14.
Probably reads exactly the same.
Doesn't mean everything is roses right now, but we shouldn't be worrying about 2019 at the moment.
Probably reads exactly the same.
Doesn't mean everything is roses right now, but we shouldn't be worrying about 2019 at the moment.
losingsand
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I don't think any of us are asking for the world with McNabb / Schenn / Scuderi. We are not asking ANY of these 3 to score or do anything dynamic. We just want them to contain, play smart, be positionally sound, and make a good first pass. However we continually see detrimental play. That's the thing that kills me is that we just need serviceable guys to do basic things, and we are getting wildly inconsistent games from these 3. Little different with Scuderi since he flat out is just getting too old for this intensity.
We have enough up front and one of the most clutch goalies of all time to get us pass a lot of teams, we just need our bottom 3 D guys to be basic D guys and I think that's really enough. Here's to Gravel and Mcbain getting in the line up and being the answer. Their footspeed alone is enough to do a better job of containing these quick SJ wingers.
We have enough up front and one of the most clutch goalies of all time to get us pass a lot of teams, we just need our bottom 3 D guys to be basic D guys and I think that's really enough. Here's to Gravel and Mcbain getting in the line up and being the answer. Their footspeed alone is enough to do a better job of containing these quick SJ wingers.
