Simon Edvinsson

[HisNoodliness]

Great on-ice IQ, not so great self preservation IQ. Dude gets injured...a lot.

Honestly I think he just needs to put on some weight. When you're so long, all force experts a huge torque. You need the requisite mass to resist that and Edvinsson is still too you g to have his grown man strength. I just hope that he doesn't pick up anything that could turn into a chronic issue before he's strong enough to fend off injuries

Plus what's he supposed to do to avoid things like that Risto hit? One of the few guys in the league as tall as Ed came at him with a flying elbow. There's not much you can do to protect yourself from that besides make everyone understand the consequences of going head hunting. Between our ineffective DPS and the Wings refusal to stand up for their teammates, right now, there are no consequences. Someone needs to go full McCarty on Risto so that other teams know not to head hunt our kids. It's time for Rasmussen to earn his spot in the lineup I think

 

[Konnan511]

Honestly I think he just needs to put on some weight. When you're so long, all force experts a huge torque. You need the requisite mass to resist that and Edvinsson is still too you g to have his grown man strength. I just hope that he doesn't pick up anything that could turn into a chronic issue before he's strong enough to fend off injuries

Plus what's he supposed to do to avoid things like that Risto hit? One of the few guys in the league as tall as Ed came at him with a flying elbow. There's not much you can do to protect yourself from that besides make everyone understand the consequences of going head hunting. Between our ineffective DPS and the Wings refusal to stand up for their teammates, right now, there are no consequences. Someone needs to go full McCarty on Risto so that other teams know not to head hunt our kids. It's time for Rasmussen to earn his spot in the lineup I think

Chip the puck and don't stand up like a Redwood. Chip the puck and brace yourself, bend slightly for impact and spin away to start rotating. Or give them the old Gordie Howe and lead with your elbow, higher and harder (mostly joking).

The DPS is a huge farce, that's for sure.

 

[HisNoodliness]

Chip the puck and don't stand up like a Redwood. Chip the puck and brace yourself, bend slightly for impact and spin away to start rotating. Or give them the old Gordie Howe and lead with your elbow, higher and harder (mostly joking).

The DPS is a huge farce, that's for sure.

Risto came from his blind side while Ed was collecting the puck. He had literally no time after the chip to properly defend himself. If he had bent down, he'd have been putting his head in more danger of getting elbowed. It would have been the better way to brace for a shoulder check, but made the elbow we saw even worse.

If he turns to the wall, he loses his lane to stay in the play and possibly gets boarded anyway- preferable knowing that Risto was going for a cheap shot, but Ed can't know that ahead of time. That's the problem with side swiping guys with a high elbow. As a player, the Gordie Howe reverse elbow is pretty much the only thing you can do to protect yourself. Of course, that's illegal so we have to rely on DPS, the code and consequential violence to discourage it.

The proper hockey play from Risto there is to go shoulder to shoulder. You can't always expect guys to do that, but he had to go out of his way to catch Ed's head. There's really not much you can do there except have some guy on your team that lets the league know "you head hunt my young teammate and it's open season." We should make Ras train with that MMA guy everyone goes to for workouts. If I was on the team, I'd be hip checking Risto in the knees to create a maximum speed head first rotation straight at the ice.

 

[Snuggs]

Who are your top 5 rookies?

Stankoven, Michov, Celebrini, Dustin Wolf, Lane Hutson.

In no particular order, Edvinsson and Tsyplakov belong in this conversation too. It's a relatively 'tight' bunch right now imo. I guess instead of he's not top five I should of said there are about 7 guys bunched up who could win the Calder, idk if anyone is 'clear-cut'.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Stankoven, Michov, Celebrini, Dustin Wolf, Lane Hutson.

In no particular order, Edvinsson and Tsyplakov belong in this conversation too. It's a relatively 'tight' bunch right now imo. I guess instead of he's not top five I should of said there are about 7 guys bunched up who could win the Calder, idk if anyone is 'clear-cut'.

Agree with all except negative 500 Hutson.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Chip the puck and don't stand up like a Redwood. Chip the puck and brace yourself, bend slightly for impact and spin away to start rotating. Or give them the old Gordie Howe and lead with your elbow, higher and harder (mostly joking).

The DPS is a huge farce, that's for sure.

Honestly if opponents are taking hard runs at guys, especially younger players, I'm fully in favor of the elbows out approach.

I'm not saying go full-Trouba on a guy for a routine hit, but when a team is "finishing their checks" hard, meaning taking runs at guys long after the puck is gone in a way the NHL still allows, get that elbow up and out. Zetterberg would to it at times early in his career.

Totally worth the potential penalty and fine.

 

[sepster]

Risto came from his blind side while Ed was collecting the puck. He had literally no time after the chip to properly defend himself. If he had bent down, he'd have been putting his head in more danger of getting elbowed. It would have been the better way to brace for a shoulder check, but made the elbow we saw even worse.

If he turns to the wall, he loses his lane to stay in the play and possibly gets boarded anyway- preferable knowing that Risto was going for a cheap shot, but Ed can't know that ahead of time. That's the problem with side swiping guys with a high elbow. As a player, the Gordie Howe reverse elbow is pretty much the only thing you can do to protect yourself. Of course, that's illegal so we have to rely on DPS, the code and consequential violence to discourage it.

The proper hockey play from Risto there is to go shoulder to shoulder. You can't always expect guys to do that, but he had to go out of his way to catch Ed's head. There's really not much you can do there except have some guy on your team that lets the league know "you head hunt my young teammate and it's open season." We should make Ras train with that MMA guy everyone goes to for workouts. If I was on the team, I'd be hip checking Risto in the knees to create a maximum speed head first rotation straight at the ice.

I think Ristolainen put his shoulder into Edvinsson's chin, which I'm not happy about, but that hit was not from his blindside.

 

[Gniwder]

Honestly if opponents are taking hard runs at guys, especially younger players, I'm fully in favor of the elbows out approach.

I'm not saying go full-Trouba on a guy for a routine hit, but when a team is "finishing their checks" hard, meaning taking runs at guys long after the puck is gone in a way the NHL still allows, get that elbow up and out. Zetterberg would to it at times early in his career.

Totally worth the potential penalty and fine.

Happens all the time in the playoffs when the refs put the whistle away. Of course that's not an issue for the Wings for now...

 

[Oddbob]

I mean if it's concerning something should be done, yeah?

Something can be concerning without needing something done right away.

 

[14ari13]

This kid has been great so far this season. He does some small mistakes, but he has been great. If he can keep it up all season long, and Seider, we are making playoffs.

 

[Stony Curtis]

Saw an interview the other day, and he was asked what he'll work on this coming off season. He just smiled and said, "I'm gonna look a lot different." The boy has plans for the weight room lol.

 

[Frk It]

I am very very high on his long term outlook.

 

[RedHawkDown]

If Edvinsson adds weight while maintaining his skating speed and agility…he’ll be unstoppable

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

I think Ed is sick of all the nicks and dings he has gotten from all the bs that has come at him this year. I think next year he plans on handling the physical play he receives differently.

 

[heyfolks]

I am very high on Simon. I agree on him needing a higher fitness level (not necessarily muscle). He may want to spend the off season with Mo.

My consistent comment is on puck retrieval. Far too often, he doesn't rush to the puck. Rather he looks to time his arrival with the opponent, thinking he can out leverage/hit them. The impacts where him down and impact his control and movement of the puck.

 

[Retire91]

Honestly if opponents are taking hard runs at guys, especially younger players, I'm fully in favor of the elbows out approach.

I'm not saying go full-Trouba on a guy for a routine hit, but when a team is "finishing their checks" hard, meaning taking runs at guys long after the puck is gone in a way the NHL still allows, get that elbow up and out. Zetterberg would to it at times early in his career.

Totally worth the potential penalty and fine.

100% you gotta defend yourself against bad faith hits. I think it was Yzerman that said one adjustment he had to make in the NHL to create space was to learn to use his stick. Back when when slashing was basically legal in the dead puck era. Its worth it to face the consequences to create the knowledge that you won't just be run on to make a play.

Simon with another 20-30 lbs of muscles, holy cow

 

[SirloinUB]

Yeah but there's a really big gap between a giant shutdown D like Ed and Lane Hutson, who literally gives back most of his offense when he tries to defend.

This post in the AlJo thread brings up something interesting that the crew at The Athletic touched on.

I know Corey Pronman can be polarizing but fwiw he ranks U23 players every season (an exercise that one should expect to fail at imo but I digress).

Notably he had:

• Raymond: 9th
• Danielson: 36th
• Edvinsson: 40th
• Kasper: 44th
• ASP: 45th
• MBN: 57th
• Cossa: 134th

Going back to @schuelma24's post Pronman had Lane Hutson ranked 39th, one spot ahead of Edvinsson. Wheeler, Bultman, Pronman and Peters discussed this on their Podcast.

Pronman: Max, I have him back-to-back on the list with Simon Edvinsson. Edvinsson was picked sixth overall by Detroit a couple of years ago. If that was a one-for-one trade proposal, obviously two very different player types, but what do you think Detroit would do if that was on the table?

Bultman: I don’t think they would do it. And you’re right, they’re very different players. I think Lane Hutson’s going to outscore Simon Edvinsson every year of their NHL careers pretty much. But Edvinsson has a very different role. He is already a very good shutdown defender.

I think they are in the same tier. But I don’t think Detroit would make that trade.

I think Im with Max on this one.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

This post in the AlJo thread brings up something interesting that the crew at The Athletic touched on.

I know Corey Pronman can be polarizing but fwiw he ranks U23 players every season (an exercise that one should expect to fail at imo but I digress).

Notably he had:

• Raymond: 9th
• Danielson: 36th
• Edvinsson: 40th
• Kasper: 44th
• ASP: 45th
• MBN: 57th
• Cossa: 134th

Going back to @schuelma24's post Pronman had Lane Hutson ranked 39th, one spot ahead of Edvinsson. Wheeler, Bultman, Pronman and Peters discussed this on their Podcast.





I think Im with Max on this one.

I’m easily with max. A 6’7 shutdown defenseman who can get you 40 or close to 40 points every year in his prime is insanely valuable. I wouldn’t ever trade edvinsson for Hutson.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Yes we do. And he is untouchable too.

 

[Frk It]

This post in the AlJo thread brings up something interesting that the crew at The Athletic touched on.

I know Corey Pronman can be polarizing but fwiw he ranks U23 players every season (an exercise that one should expect to fail at imo but I digress).

Notably he had:

• Raymond: 9th
• Danielson: 36th
• Edvinsson: 40th
• Kasper: 44th
• ASP: 45th
• MBN: 57th
• Cossa: 134th

Going back to @schuelma24's post Pronman had Lane Hutson ranked 39th, one spot ahead of Edvinsson. Wheeler, Bultman, Pronman and Peters discussed this on their Podcast.





I think Im with Max on this one.

I’m easily with max. A 6’7 shutdown defenseman who can get you 40 or close to 40 points every year in his prime is insanely valuable. I wouldn’t ever trade edvinsson for Hutson.

Same reasons I would have picked him over Eklund 10/10 times.