Sign Marner and Tavares before playoffs?

[MilkofthePoppy]

No. Let them stay motivated.

 

[thewave]

You seem to be factoring in whatever random stuff you want in whatever way you want to get to the conclusion you want.
Nylander doesn't have any hardware anyway, and neither him or Matthews have been better in the playoffs.

Random stuff relevant to winning a cup. Oh I don't know like playoff performances? Yeah sure stuff matters. Show me some stuff where Marner got us to rd3. Oh that's right we never made it past rd2 one time.

You were in the plan the parade camp. It's looking like a pretty shitty camp right now.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Random stuff relevant to winning a cup.

Hardware isn't relevant to winning a cup, and Nylander doesn't have any hardware either. Endorsements aren't relevant to winning a cup, and it's no different for Matthews and Nylander. Past playoff production isn't very relevant to winning a future cup, and Marner is the best on the team at that anyway. You don't get paid for team outcomes, and you especially don't get paid less than your teammates for team outcomes they were also there for.

 

[thewave]

Hardware isn't relevant to winning a cup, and Nylander doesn't have any hardware either. Endorsements aren't relevant to winning a cup, and it's no different for Matthews and Nylander. Past playoff production isn't very relevant to winning a future cup, and Marner is the best on the team at that anyway. You don't get paid for team outcomes, and you especially don't get paid less than your teammates for team outcomes they were also there for.

Hardware is absolutely. Its a primary indicator of a cup winner. Virtually all cup winners have hardware winners! Matthews winning hardware with no cup or McDavid is an indictment on the coach and GM being lousy. Shocking we had a stupid GM and Coach. Imagine my shock, and Shanahan was just as dumb for keeping them so long.

In McDavids case it was not on management. They did make it to the show.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Hardware is absolutely.

Winning regular season hardware has nothing to do with winning a cup. At best, it's a player quality indicator, but you're already ignoring better quality indicators.
And again, Nylander doesn't have any.

 

[thewave]

Winning regular season hardware has nothing to do with winning a cup. At best, it's a player quality indicator, but you're already ignoring better quality indicators to avoid acknowledging that Marner is one of the best players in the world.

You missed the its an indicator part. Not surprising because you almost never enter discussions in good faith.

I am waiting for a response like... Crosby Mackinnon and Kucherov won empty calorie hardware the years around them winning the cup.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You missed the its an indicator part. Not surprising because you almost never enter discussions in good faith.

I am waiting for a response like... Crosby Mackinnon and Kucherov won empty calorie hardware the years around them winning the cup.

It's almost never a real discussion with him anyway.

Beyond the fact that some of his pronouncements are so outrageous that they virtually demand rebuttal, I don't see why anyone engages him.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You missed the its an indicator part.

No, I didn't. In fact, I specifically talked about indicators:

At best, it's a player quality indicator, but you're already ignoring better quality indicators.

The issue is, you're trying to randomly claim a poor and limited indicator of quality that barely anybody has as crucial, because Marner doesn't have it, while simultaneously trying to ignore much better and more accurate indicators and evaluations of player quality that show Marner to be a top tier player in the league. You're also being inconsistent in how you apply this to Marner and Nylander. Seems as if you're the one not entering the discussion in good faith.

 

[ToneDog]

I actually factor in hardware and playoff performances. Marner doesn't have any good games 5 6 7. Hardly comes through in clutch situations. He is paid quite a bit by local endorsements. His brand is nothing in other markets. I would let him test the market no matter what. Same with JT.

Show me don't tell. Let's get to the conference finals on two of the biggest bs contracts ever signed. No results. Time to put up or shut up.

I would do what Yzerman did with Stamkos and make each a take it or leave it contract offer. If they leave, you move on. Rather take a step back than running it back for a 10th year, assuming they do not get past round 2 this year.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Seems like the smart/logical/right move if they do not cave because they think/believe he might walk for nothing. Not sure why the Marner camp wants to wait if the Leafs are willing to sign him in the regular season unless the Leafs are lowballing them. Whatever that means when Leafs are probably willing to pay him 50% more than Reinhart and make him one of the top 5 paid players in the league (as per Mirtle).

If they flop in the playoffs again they should let both of them walk.

Throw Marner's money at Rantanen. Use Tavares money on a cheaper 2C. Anything left over can be used to fix defense or add depth.

They have the opportunity to make a major change in direction of this team next year, and it is their one and only chance at fixing it, they better not screw it up.

 

[thewave]

It's almost never a real discussion with him anyway.

Beyond the fact that some of his pronouncements are so outrageous that they virtually demand rebuttal, I don't see why anyone engages him.

All I know is I am not going to blame our playoff failure on the guy that just score 69 goals and won another rocket. Most teams with rocket winner are a deep playoff team or cup winner. Dubas and Keefe could never resolve that because they weren't good at what they do.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

I’m very confident a deal will get done at some point for both of them (especially JT). But, hypothetically if Marner does walk… A backup plan could be to trade for someone for the season next year for example Panarin or some other vet with one year left - and go all in on Mcdavid in FA if he doesn’t sign a new deal with Edmonton.

 

[BigBlu]

Tavares wants 7M? pfft. Let him walk.

You can easily find better value on the open market for 7 mil.

I'd take him for a home town discount of about 3. He owes us that for sure.

 

[Confucius]

Tavares wants 7M? pfft. Let him walk.

You can easily find better value on the open market for 7 mil.

I'd take him for a home town discount of about 3. He owes us that for sure.

7 million is a fair deal for JT as long as the contract is 3 years or less. 112 players made 7 million or more last season, JT was 67th in Scoring on top of being top 10in face offs won and number 1 in board battles won, as was stated during last nights game.

 

[William Johnson]

It's almost never a real discussion with him anyway.

Beyond the fact that some of his pronouncements are so outrageous that they virtually demand rebuttal, I don't see why anyone engages him.

The statement that there are better indicators of player quality than hardware like Hart Trophies is pretty special. Not sure it cracks the top 10 in terms of outrageousness, though.