Sidney Crosby Top 5 player of all time

[Gnome17]

So you might have been in kindergarten in 2006. I'm sorry. Not discussing with you.

Nice gatekeeping.

Yeah id say Crosby is top5, or will be top5 when he ends his career. Certainly would be already if he hadnt be so injury prone, without those injuries he would most likely have a few more trophies.

Edit: Actually thinking about it another minute, its hard. A lot of great players around. Top 10 is a more given.

 

[ted2019]

Thats all you have to say?

Shore in the same sentence as Crosby, what a ****ing crock. Go make that poll see if Shore gets a single vote lmfao

Go to the HOH section of this board and ask the same question. The same about Morenz and the other ATG you trashed. See how far that gets you.

 

[ted2019]

Nice gatekeeping.

Yeah id say Crosby is top5, or will be top5 when he ends his career. Certainly would be already if he hadnt be so injury prone, without those injuries he would most likely have a few more trophies.

Edit: Actually thinking about it another minute, its hard. A lot of great players around. Top 10 is a more given.

Top 10 is a push, but it could happen. Depends on how fats and much he starts to decline in the upcoming seasons.

 

[ted2019]

1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Gordie Howe
3. Bobby Orr
4. Mario Lemieux
5. Bobby Hull
6. Jean Beliveau
7. Patrick Roy
8. Doug Harvey
9. Maurice Richard
10. Ray Bourque
11. Howie Morenz
12. Sidney Crosby
13. Dominik Hasek
14. Eddie Shore
15. Nicklas Lidstrom
16. Jaromir Jagr
17. Red Kelly
18. Denis Potvin
19. Jacques Plante
20. Frank Nighbor
21. Mark Messier
22. Alex Ovechkin
23. Guy Lafleur
24. Stan Mikita
25. Viacheslav Fetisov
26. Sergei Makarov
27. Phil Esposito
28. Glenn Hall
29. Bobby Clarke
30. Martin Brodeur
31. Bryan Trottier
32. Joe Sakic
33. Cyclone Taylor
34. Bill Cook
35. Terry Sawchuk
36. Mike Bossy
37. Larry Robinson
38. Ted Lindsay
39. Newsy Lalonde
40. Steve Yzerman
41. Chris Chelios
42. Frank Boucher
43. Valeri Kharlamov
44. King Clancy
45. Syl Apps Sr.
46. Ken Dryden
47. Brad Park
48. Paul Coffey
49. Henri Richard
50. Vladislav Tretiak
51. Peter Forsberg
52. Evegni Malkin
53. Milt Schmidt
54. Pierre Pilote
55. Charlie Conacher
56. Frank Brimsek
57. Sprague Cleghorn
58. Ted Kennedy
59. Chris Pronger
60. Bernie Geoffrion
61. Earl Seibert
62. Andy Bathgate
63. Marcel Dionne
64. Scott Stevens
65. Tim Horton
66. Georges Vezina
67. Al Macinnis
68. Dickie Moore
69. Teemu Selanne
70. Anatoli Firsov
71. Frank Mahovlich
72. Joe Malone
73. Dit Clapper
74. Clint Benedict
75. Charlie Gardiner
76. Jari Kurri
77. Max Bentley
78. Aurele Joliat
79. Cy Denneny
80. Brett Hull
81. Elmer Lach
82. Bill Durnan
83. Turk Broda
84. Borje Slaming
85. Ed Belfour
86. Boris Mikhailov
87. Bill Cowley
88. Sergei Fedorov
89. Zdeno Chara
90. Bill Gadsby
91. Joe Thornton
92. Nels Stewart
93. Patrick Kane
94. Duncan Keith
95. Mark Howe
96. Eric Lindros
97. Brian Leetch
98. Martin St. Louis
99. Dave Keon
100 Sid Abel

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Go to the HOH section of this board and ask the same question. The same about Morenz and the other ATG you trashed. See how far that gets you.

Whats that supposed to mean?

If anyone has Shore Morenz and Roy above Crosby then they need to explain themselves because that sure as hell is not common perception.

Argue about end of career vs 31yo, if thats the only reason you have then its not a good enough basis. Crosby has been far more dominant than the others were even close to.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Gordie Howe
3. Bobby Orr
4. Mario Lemieux
5. Bobby Hull
6. Jean Beliveau
7. Patrick Roy
8. Doug Harvey
9. Maurice Richard
10. Ray Bourque
11. Howie Morenz
12. Sidney Crosby
13. Dominik Hasek
14. Eddie Shore
15. Nicklas Lidstrom
16. Jaromir Jagr
17. Red Kelly
18. Denis Potvin
19. Jacques Plante
20. Frank Nighbor
21. Mark Messier
22. Alex Ovechkin
23. Guy Lafleur
24. Stan Mikita
25. Viacheslav Fetisov
26. Sergei Makarov
27. Phil Esposito
28. Glenn Hall
29. Bobby Clarke
30. Martin Brodeur
31. Bryan Trottier
32. Joe Sakic
33. Cyclone Taylor
34. Bill Cook
35. Terry Sawchuk
36. Mike Bossy
37. Larry Robinson
38. Ted Lindsay
39. Newsy Lalonde
40. Steve Yzerman
41. Chris Chelios
42. Frank Boucher
43. Valeri Kharlamov
44. King Clancy
45. Syl Apps Sr.
46. Ken Dryden
47. Brad Park
48. Paul Coffey
49. Henri Richard
50. Vladislav Tretiak
51. Peter Forsberg
52. Evegni Malkin
53. Milt Schmidt
54. Pierre Pilote
55. Charlie Conacher
56. Frank Brimsek
57. Sprague Cleghorn
58. Ted Kennedy
59. Chris Pronger
60. Bernie Geoffrion
61. Earl Seibert
62. Andy Bathgate
63. Marcel Dionne
64. Scott Stevens
65. Tim Horton
66. Georges Vezina
67. Al Macinnis
68. Dickie Moore
69. Teemu Selanne
70. Anatoli Firsov
71. Frank Mahovlich
72. Joe Malone
73. Dit Clapper
74. Clint Benedict
75. Charlie Gardiner
76. Jari Kurri
77. Max Bentley
78. Aurele Joliat
79. Cy Denneny
80. Brett Hull
81. Elmer Lach
82. Bill Durnan
83. Turk Broda
84. Borje Slaming
85. Ed Belfour
86. Boris Mikhailov
87. Bill Cowley
88. Sergei Fedorov
89. Zdeno Chara
90. Bill Gadsby
91. Joe Thornton
92. Nels Stewart
93. Patrick Kane
94. Duncan Keith
95. Mark Howe
96. Eric Lindros
97. Brian Leetch
98. Martin St. Louis
99. Dave Keon
100 Sid Abel

Brodeur 30

Let me guess, too good of a team in front of him?

 

[freakydallas13]

Well while you may not put stock into PPG, Crosby is ranked 6th all-time in PPG in a much harder era to score (not now but his first half)

Crosby's career is still going, the longer he plays the lower his PPG will be.

Take other great players and do their PPG up until they were Crosby's age.

 

[Voight]

Whats that supposed to mean?

If anyone has Shore Morenz and Roy above Crosby then they need to explain themselves because that sure as hell is not common perception.

Argue about end of career vs 31yo, if thats the only reason you have then its not a good enough basis. Crosby has been far more dominant than the others were even close to.

Roy is the best goalie of all time so him being ranked ahead of Sid isn't anything crazy.

 

[pitcher]

Really don’t understand people who can’t look at point totals with context, you don’t think Lemieux was top 5 all time?

There is no comparison to be made with Lemieux. Lemieux dominated in a way Crosby could only dream of. Lemieux was also a crazy prolific goal scorer. Also, Lemieux best ppg seasons are his longer ones, making it pretty evident that if he were to be healthy he would have been more productive if he played full seasons instead of shortened ones. On the other hand, Crosby best ppg seasons are his shorter ones. I’m sure Lemieux would never have lost the Art Ross to guys like Sedin, even he was able to play only 60-70 games.

Finally, and imo most importantly, talking about not being able to look at point totals with context... why are you comparing the point totals of a winger and a center? Would you compare the point totals of a defenseman and a center as if it was the same context? History has shown us that centers cumulate more points than wingers, that is the nature of the position.

 

[Voight]

Ovy has over over 200 goals more than Crosby. Where as the point totals are nearly identical. I'm not a fan of PPG stats, you don't help your team in games you don't play.

Team success is one of the only remaining things in Crosby's favour, that and being Canadian.

8 time Richard winner, and likely the greatest goalscorer of all time
3 Harts
2 Lindsay's
1 Calder
1 Art Ross
1 Pearson
1 Smythe

vs

2 Harts
2 Art Ross
2 Lindsays
1 Pearson
2 Smythes
1 Leadership award.

It' a lot closer than many let on, but to me the 8 Richard's is what separates the two for me. Ridiculous.

Pretty crazy he was 3rd in goals & points as a rookie playing with Jeff Halpern and Danius Zubrus.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Crosby only was seen as the universal best player for near a decade but sure lets keep this narrative that since Crosby didnt ‘dominate’ scoring during the period of low scoring he played in

Crosby is/will be a top-5 player (for those who argue career lengths)

 

[SeanConn]

He is 5th, people love to freak out and say "no no no he can't be top 5!" But fail to actually argue the point. Who can you argue over Crosby at #5?

Jaromir Jagr, bud.

 

[SeanConn]

1,Gretzky
2.Orr
3.Lemieux
4.Howe
5.Hasek
6.Lidstrom
7.Potvin
8.Roy
9.Messier
10.Yzerman
11.Sakic
12.Brodeur
13.Brett Hull
14.Francis
15.Bourque
16.Dionne
17.Esposito
18.Oates
19. Robinson
20. Richard
21. Pronger
22. Ovechkin
23. Mcdavid
24. Probert
25. Dave Schultz
26. Crosby

Not even in my top 25.

Did Jagr threaten you as a child or something? gotta be a joke list...

 

[CartographerNo611]

Did Jagr threaten you as a child or something? gotta be a joke list...

1,Gretzky
2.Orr
3.Lemieux
4.Howe
5.Hasek
6.Lidstrom
7.Potvin
8.Roy
9.Messier
10.Yzerman
11.Sakic
12.Brodeur
13.Brett Hull
14.Francis
15.Bourque
16.Dionne
17.Esposito
18.Oates
19. Robinson
20. Richard
21. Pronger
22. Ovechkin
23. Mcdavid
24. Jagr
25. Dave Schultz
26. Probert
27. Morenz
28. Dye
29. Bentley
30. Clarke

31. Crosby

U don goofed son. Crosby not even in my top 30 no more, Had to go research some true legends from the FDR days. Couple of these players couldnt even afford bread lead alone all the Vitamins in Crosbys system.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Roy is the best goalie of all time so him being ranked ahead of Sid isn't anything crazy.

Yes. And on the list Ted posted above, I'd move Crosby behind at least Jagr, Lidström and Hasek. Maybe a few others too.

 

[SwaggySpungo]

There is no comparison to be made with Lemieux. Lemieux dominated in a way Crosby could only dream of. Lemieux was also a crazy prolific goal scorer. Also, Lemieux best ppg seasons are his longer ones, making it pretty evident that if he were to be healthy he would have been more productive if he played full seasons instead of shortened ones. On the other hand, Crosby best ppg seasons are his shorter ones. I’m sure Lemieux would never have lost the Art Ross to guys like Sedin, even he was able to play only 60-70 games.

Finally, and imo most importantly, talking about not being able to look at point totals with context... why are you comparing the point totals of a winger and a center? Would you compare the point totals of a defenseman and a center as if it was the same context? History has shown us that centers cumulate more points than wingers, that is the nature of the position.

Centers are usually the most offensively skilled players. That’s why the coach plays then at center in the first place. They are put in that position because if their skill level. Even with kids, it’s usually the best player on the team that gets to be 1st line center.

A winger also won the Art Ross this year, so there’s that.

 

[LeafMaple]

1,Gretzky
2.Orr
3.Lemieux
4.Howe
5.Hasek
6.Lidstrom
7.Potvin
8.Roy
9.Messier
10.Yzerman
11.Sakic
12.Brodeur
13.Brett Hull
14.Francis
15.Bourque
16.Dionne
17.Esposito
18.Oates
19. Robinson
20. Richard
21. Pronger
22. Ovechkin
23. Mcdavid
24. Jagr
25. Dave Schultz
26. Probert
27. Morenz
28. Dye
29. Bentley
30. Clarke

31. Crosby

U don goofed son. Crosby not even in my top 30 no more, Had to go research some true legends from the FDR days. Couple of these players couldnt even afford bread lead alone all the Vitamins in Crosbys system.

Only top 30? Crosby doesn’t even make my top 100 players list. You’re overrating Crosby

 

[slicedbread]

Roy is the best goalie of all time so him being ranked ahead of Sid isn't anything crazy.

Dom Hasek says hello...

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

1,Gretzky
2.Orr
3.Lemieux
4.Howe
5.Hasek
6.Lidstrom
7.Potvin
8.Roy
9.Messier
10.Yzerman
11.Sakic
12.Brodeur
13.Brett Hull
14.Francis
15.Bourque
16.Dionne
17.Esposito
18.Oates
19. Robinson
20. Richard
21. Pronger
22. Ovechkin
23. Mcdavid
24. Jagr
25. Dave Schultz
26. Probert
27. Morenz
28. Dye
29. Bentley
30. Clarke

31. Crosby

U don goofed son. Crosby not even in my top 30 no more, Had to go research some true legends from the FDR days. Couple of these players couldnt even afford bread lead alone all the Vitamins in Crosbys system.

LOL You know that your list is a joke when you have Dave Schultz and Bob Probert in your top 30 players of all time.

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Dom Hasek says hello...

Nope Roy is the greatest goalie of all time, deal with it.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Really don’t understand people who can’t look at point totals with context, you don’t think Lemieux was top 5 all time?

Lemieux >>>>> Crosby, the eye test tells you this without looking at a single statistic. Not so with Crosby/Ovy imo.

 

[Lomez]

1,Gretzky
2.Orr
3.Lemieux
4.Howe
5.Hasek
6.Lidstrom
7.Potvin
8.Roy
9.Messier
10.Yzerman
11.Sakic
12.Brodeur
13.Brett Hull
14.Francis
15.Bourque
16.Dionne
17.Esposito
18.Oates
19. Robinson
20. Richard
21. Pronger
22. Ovechkin
23. Mcdavid
24. Jagr
25. Dave Schultz
26. Probert
27. Morenz
28. Dye
29. Bentley
30. Clarke

31. Crosby

U don goofed son. Crosby not even in my top 30 no more, Had to go research some true legends from the FDR days. Couple of these players couldnt even afford bread lead alone all the Vitamins in Crosbys system.

Please tell me you're joking. I couldn't care less where you place Sid, but seriously? You could make a better list if you pulled names from a hat.

 

[Lomez]

Lemieux >>>>> Crosby, the eye test tells you this without looking at a single statistic. Not so with Crosby/Ovy imo.

Lemieux >>>>> Everyone not named Gretzky. Again, eye test.

 

[ted2019]

Whats that supposed to mean?

If anyone has Shore Morenz and Roy above Crosby then they need to explain themselves because that sure as hell is not common perception.

Argue about end of career vs 31yo, if thats the only reason you have then its not a good enough basis. Crosby has been far more dominant than the others were even close to.

Yes it is common. Head to the HOH section and talk about it. We just finished the top 100 players of all time (2019 edition). There are 22 threads of discussions talking about this subject. Go there to add to your hockey knowledge.

 

[ted2019]

Lemieux >>>>> Everyone not named Gretzky. Again, eye test.

Eye isn't everything. If that's the case, Orr >>>>>>>> everyone else.