Show me another example of a player getting denied an obvious point

[Dayjobdave]

I’d rather 99 and a chip on his shoulder.

 

[banks]

Sports forecaster shows him at 100 points.

They must have some Leafs fans working for them.

 

[GoonieFace]

Yes I'm the only one that complains. Here is one of your posts from 2 days ago...

"The inability for Bunting to get a call is so far beyond a joke at this point. The entire league should be embarrassed"

So stfu


Show me one, please I dare you.

But will you double dare me?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Can't show you an obvious point being denied like that...

But I can show you a point like that being awarded to McDavid!

 

[IPS]

These league apologists are actually serious about this one

It's an assist guys, holy f*** that's crazy some of you can't see it.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Who really cares if Marner gets 100 points or 99 points.

Should be nobody after game 82.

 

[Hellcat]

The Montreal player clearly kicked the puck as a quick breakout pass and Matthews intercepted it and scored. I can see why they didn't give the assist, if it had just bounced off the Montreal player inadvertently then I think an assist would have been granted, but as it stands now, that goal occurred because Matthews picked off a kick pass, and not a pass reception from Marner.

The Montreal player needed to have control of the puck, you could easily argue the puck bounced off the Montreal player and there was never a point where Montreal had control.

If 100 points was so important a landmark to reach them perhaps Keefe shouldn't have played Marner for 30 minutes a game earlier, only to then have to give him 2 complete games off of the last 5 to recover from overuse.

Marner also had the last game to record a point against the NYR if he really wanted that milestone, he had complete control of that situation.

Trying to turn back time and alter the results of a historical game seems like the least logical way to change the outcome to find blame for not reaching 100. IMO

Playoffs start now, and real games begin and ALL players totals all get reset to Zero. Marner doesn't have 99 points today anymore he now has 0-0-0 points just like all players on teams that qualified for the playoffs.

Lets focus on the future not dwell on the past.

People are not batteries that drain with use, we do have regenerative abilities, other wise after my daily workout I would need a week off.

 

[Hellcat]

Who really cares if Marner gets 100 points or 99 points. Do it in the playoffs and his legacy will be cemented

I'd say Marner but besides being a nice number for the HOF to consider, it has zero effect on the player or the team, no one on the Leafs has performance based incentives in their contracts.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Anyone on Bruins makes that play and it is an automatic apple .. 1 quick call and it is done .. but TO no freakin way that call gets made .. like i said you gotta beat Tampa plus refs plus league .. but we will

 

[Arzak]

The Montreal player needed to have control of the puck, you could easily argue the puck bounced off the Montreal player and there was never a point where Montreal had control.



People are not batteries that drain with use, we do have regenerative abilities, other wise after my daily workout I would need a week off.

But your couldn't it was clearly attempt to kick it out of the zone.

Seriously before half the PP in this league, there is a delayed penalty, this is whistled down as a possession every time. What makes this different? Apart from it being Mitch's assistance.

Can't show you an obvious point being denied like that...

But I can show you a point like that being awarded to McDavid!

This is not a possession. Again never saw a delayed penalty? Refs are clear on what is possession on most nights, this is not even close to debate.



But this whole discussion just amplifies how moronic it is to treat goals the same way you do assists.

Marner failed to make a pass, Montreal player failed to kick it out, how is this a 100-point play?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Seriously before half the PP in this league, there is a delayed penalty, this is whistled down as a possession every time. What makes this different?

Plays like that do not trigger a whistle for delayed penalties. That does not qualify as possession. So yes, what makes this different?

This is not a possession.

No, it's not. Because kicking at a puck is not possession. That's the whole point.
This play, where a player kicked a stationary puck out of the crease with a distinct kicking motion does not deny the assist two touches prior for McDavid.
And yet Marner gets denied a primary assist because a player kicked at his midair pass and it deflected off of him?

Marner failed to make a pass, Montreal player failed to kick it out, how is this a 100-point play?

Marner didn't fail to make a pass. He flipped it ahead right to Matthews, directly leading to the goal.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Can't show you an obvious point being denied like that...

But I can show you a point like that being awarded to McDavid!

Beautiful, just what I was waiting for, thank you.

If the Leafs lost possession on that kick, then so should've the Oilers here.

Joke of a league.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Option 1
All our players have record breaking seasons
We lose again


Option 2
All our players play their asses off for each other and for the team and fans and they have good numbers , but we win the cup .




This is all that matters

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Man I really feel horrible for Mitch, hope it doesn't cost him much off his next contract.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Option 1
All our players have record breaking seasons
We lose again


Option 2
All our players play their asses off for each other and for the team and fans and they have good numbers , but we win the cup .




This is all that matters

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Sure, but we've been rolling over and taking it from the league for decades now in multiple regards. The fact everyone just glances over stuff like this because Leafs is infuriating.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Sure, but we've been rolling over and taking it from the league for decades now in multiple regards. The fact everyone just glances over stuff like this because Leafs is infuriating.

As a fan of our Leafs for 60plus years I couldn’t give a rats ass about personal goals
I love all our players , regardless so long as they play for the Crest and our storied franchise and for each other and give it all their best .
Hopefully they win along the way .
I’m fortunate I’ve witnessed and been around for celebrations with the cup . Until this recent ( very very strange Fascination ) about individual points , I’ve never ever ever heard in public any player on our great teams and not so great teams make issuers about Individual points ??
This is extremely strange to me …
I’ve never even been part of players ( other than dressing room fun and banter ) in any sport ive played on or coached or managed that would bring this up in public or even seriously in the room .
This fascinates me and boggles me at the same time .
After our recent unfortunate non success when it counts , I would think that player points and bonuses etc would be the last thing on our collective minds .
Anyway
GLG
GLG
GLG
GLG

Let’s win it all

This is my last take ever on personal points and achievements
Unless
Unless
We win it all
Then it’s alllll good

 

[ACC1224]

Can’t believe people are still going on about this.

 

[VanW27]

I think it's a point every time (nearly every evidently) in the NHL. I can see the argument for why it shouldn't be an assust but based on how the NHL awards an assist it should clearly be one. If you want to argue the NHL should be stingier with it's assists that's a separate discussion.

That said, if you're going to go back through the season and try to find an extra point for Marner to get to 100 I'd bet you could also find a questionable second assist or 2 over the course of the year that went his way.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

It is odd because he made a good play, the defender reacted the best way he could and tried a hopeless kick without control to try and limit the developing scoring chance (due to the pass) and the puck went to matthews and in the net. Tough break.

 

[Dreakmur]

Can't show you an obvious point being denied like that...

But I can show you a point like that being awarded to McDavid!

It’s not the same situation at all… keep searching…

 

[Dreakmur]

I think it's a point every time (nearly every evidently) in the NHL. I can see the argument for why it shouldn't be an assust but based on how the NHL awards an assist it should clearly be one. If you want to argue the NHL should be stingier with it's assists that's a separate discussion.

That said, if you're going to go back through the season and try to find an extra point for Marner to get to 100 I'd bet you could also find a questionable second assist or 2 over the course of the year that went his way.

The argument is simple. The Montreal player made a deliberate and meaningful play in the puck. It didn’t just bounce off his leg. He didn’t whiff or flub his attempt. It was the Montreal player who gets “credit” for giving the puck to Matthews, not Marner.

And that’s not to say it wasn’t a smart play by Marner, because it absolutely was. It just wasn’t an assist.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It’s not the same situation at all…

Yeah, in the McDavid situation, it's even more blatant, since instead of a moving puck hitting off a leg, the player very clearly and deliberately kicks a stationary puck with a distinct kicking motion out of the crease.

 

[AvroArrow]

Tavares should have had a point here

 

[Dreakmur]

Yeah, in the McDavid situation, it's even more blatant, since instead of a moving puck hitting off a leg, the player very clearly and deliberately kicks a stationary puck with a distinct kicking motion out of the crease.

If that’s what you think happened on that play, it still doesn’t mean Marner should get an assist on his play, but instead means McDavid should not… but that’s not really what happened there anyway….

 

[Dekes For Days]

If that’s what you think happened on that play, it still doesn’t mean Marner should get an assist on his play, but instead means McDavid should not… but that’s not really what happened there anyway….

I'm not really sure how you're attempting to claim that that's not what happened on the play, when it's all clearly evident in the provided video.
NHL has consistently established precedent that both of these plays would be assists, as kicking at a puck does not equal possession of the puck.