Post-Game Talk: Shoulda slept in like the Jets: 2-1L to Flyers

[BigZ65]

On pace for like 15 short-handed goals against this year. Yeesh. Wonder what the record is.

And yet our PK is perfect against 5 on 3's. Just careless on the PP and lax, amazing the amount of times an opponent gets the puck and has no pressure on him against the sideboards or endboards when we have an extra player!

Maybe we should run a 4 man PP with the 5th guy waiting at centre ice.

 

[Whileee]

What are our chances of making the playoffs? Assuming 97-98 points get you in, what does our record have to be going forward?

Our chances? Not very good.

We have 54 games left.

Ignoring loser points....

To reach 90 points (not good enough), we need to go 31-23.

To reach 96 points (might be good enough), we need to go 34-20.

 

[Positive]

And yet our PK is perfect against 5 on 3's. Just careless on the PP and lax, amazing the amount of times an opponent gets the puck and has no pressure on him against the sideboards or endboards when we have an extra player!

Maybe we should run a 4 man PP with the 5th guy waiting at centre ice.

Despite our seemingly passive and frustrating-to-watch PK, if it keeps the puck out of the back of the net, I'm fine with it.

It's our brutal power-play costing this team games. Not just a game here or there. But a lot of them. If this power play was even average we'd probably have 4 or 5 more wins?

5 Short-handed goals against, which leads the NHL.
11.5% Powerplay percentage...28th in the league. Perry Pearn continues to collect a salary somehow on the NHL level.

 

[Whileee]

And yet our PK is perfect against 5 on 3's. Just careless on the PP and lax, amazing the amount of times an opponent gets the puck and has no pressure on him against the sideboards or endboards when we have an extra player!

Maybe we should run a 4 man PP with the 5th guy waiting at centre ice.

The Jets have scored 11 PP goals given up 5 SH goals (the most in the league). So, overall, they are only +6 on the power play. On the PK, they have allowed 18 PP goals, and scored 2 SH goals. So, overall they are -16 on the PK. Overall, our special teams are pathetic.

Last season, the Jets were also weak on special teams (+17 on the PP and -27 on the PK).

I see more and more other teams on the PK put heavy pressure on the Jets points, cutting off time and space. We have no clue how to deal with that. We have no system for entering the zone consistently. On the PK, the Jets just sag in and hope that one of three things happens: 1) they can block the shot, 2) Pavs makes a save and freezes it, 3) they get a rebound and clear the zone. They are not oriented to putting pressure on the other team and turning the puck over.

If the Jets can't improve their special teams, they will remain mediocre.

 

[Whileee]

Despite our seemingly passive and frustrating-to-watch PK, if it keeps the puck out of the back of the net, I'm fine with it.

It's our brutal power-play costing this team games. Not just a game here or there. But a lot of them. If this power play was even average we'd probably have 4 or 5 more wins?

5 Short-handed goals against, which leads the NHL.
11.5% Powerplay percentage...28th in the league. Perry Pearn continues to collect a salary somehow on the NHL level.

The Jets are only middle of the pack in the PK%. It's nothing to write home about. Combined with the NHL's worst PP (3rd last in PP at 11.5%, and a leading 5 SH goals against), the Jets are getting killed on special teams.

 

[wpgsilver]

I'm not sure who is to blame for our teams inability to be ready to play for any game starting before 6pm but its disheartening and disappointing.
Whether its Noel or the players its totally unacceptable.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

I'm not sure who is to blame for our teams inability to be ready to play for any game starting before 6pm but its disheartening and disappointing.
Whether its Noel or the players its totally unacceptable.

This was 100% on the players. Noel had an inkling this was going to happen today, and there you have it. Embarrassing effort.

Where's my scotch and guitar.

 

[Flair Hay]

It's not all Perry Pearn, although he's probably part of it.

The biggest part is our forwards suck at the power play.

 

[tbcwpg]

The Jets are only middle of the pack in the PK%. It's nothing to write home about. Combined with the NHL's worst PP (3rd last in PP at 11.5%, and a leading 5 SH goals against), the Jets are getting killed on special teams.

I'm fine with middle of the pack penalty killing compared to previous years. It's the bottom 5 PP that's killing this team.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

This was 100% on the players. Noel had an inkling this was going to happen today, and there you have it. Embarrassing effort.

Where's my scotch and guitar.

You better believe it. Some of these guys make more $$$ in 3 games than many of us make in a frickin' year.

Not being ready for the game and (from what I've heard) sucking the big one in the first period is totally on THE PLAYERS.

C'mon guys - one goal a game will not suffice.

 

[citizenmundane]

Crap loss but I thought Ellerby played a really S-O-L-I-D game. He's playing like a top 4 guy right now. Pavs was solid too.

LLW seem to be playing more like individuals right now. They're usually reliable defensively but have been victimized more so in the past few games. Has their puck possession dropped too or is that just me?

 

[Gnova]

I'm not sure who is to blame for our teams inability to be ready to play for any game starting before 6pm but its disheartening and disappointing.
Whether its Noel or the players its totally unacceptable.

I blame whoever makes the coffee.

 

[Andy6]

I'm fine with middle of the pack penalty killing compared to previous years. It's the bottom 5 PP that's killing this team.

The kill of the 5-on-3 for well over a minute was excellent.

Other teams know that the Jets are jittery on the PP right now and that every player is terrified of being the next guy to be responsible for a shorthanded goal. They're going to be doing everything they can to take advantage of that.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Just finished watching:

-Don't really know what was going through Wheeler's head on that first goal. Hockey 101, you always get the puck to the wall if you're getting a pass in your skates on the breakout. TSN Jets was trying to paint it as a flukey bounce, not really. Lackadaisical play from a team that was dopey for this first 25-30 minutes.

-Not going to absolve Buff of blame for that second goal, but man...it's pretty indicative of how predictable the Jets PP is. No shooting lane? Ok, it's going D to D. Just hilariously predictable, it's a joke.

-Did I mention the Jets PP sucks? Holy smokes, it's bad. There's no concept of stretching the PK or getting the puck up ice quickly, so it inevitably results in a scrum along the boards that they usually won't win.

-Strong game from Scheifele's line, Ellerby, Trouba, Stuart was decent. Once again, Pavelec was excellent. Spotty performance from everyone else.

Didn't really have a good feeling about this game going in, knew Philly was going to be fired up, and sorta expected the Jets would pick up where they left off in the third period of that Islanders game.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

It's not all Perry Pearn, although he's probably part of it.

The biggest part is our forwards suck at the power play.

They don't have an abundance of good PP forwards, but this is essentially the same group that was an above average PP team in 2010-11 and 2011-12. Pearn's PP looks like something that would've been effective back when most teams were using passive box PK's. It's completely useless against aggressive penalty kills.

 

[KingBogo]

Just got home from work, heard the score a couple times despite trying to avoid it. Spent a few minutes scanning the PGT and I think its safe to not bother watching the game. Happy that Scheifele kept his point streak alive, sorry to hear Kane went down. I hope it isn't too serious. Maybe its time to give O'Dell a few games.

P.S. enough with the whining about we should have picked Couts over Scheifele. A 1000 novels could be written on players who should have picked before so and so. An amazing amount of HOF or future HOF players were passed over for pure **** that never did a thing in the NHL. No matter how it finally ends up Scheifele will likely have a decent career and Couts won't ever be much more than he is now. So end of story.

 

[tbcwpg]

Weird game for Ellerby, I felt, because I thought in the first he stood out as being exceptionally bad in a bad bunch, but he was pretty good in periods 2 and 3. Trouba was also hit or miss for me, as were most of them. Kane going down like that would've worried me in the past but I'm not too disappointed right now. I guess O'Dell comes up but I'm of the "prove it" mindset with him, when it comes to the NHL at least. I've seen too many of these AHL all-stars when the Moose were here that would do nothing in the NHL. Hope he's not one of those.

 

[ryerockarola]

Just got home from work, heard the score a couple times despite trying to avoid it. Spent a few minutes scanning the PGT and I think its safe to not bother watching the game. Happy that Scheifele kept his point streak alive, sorry to hear Kane went down. I hope it isn't too serious. Maybe its time to give O'Dell a few games.

P.S. enough with the whining about we should have picked Couts over Scheifele. A 1000 novels could be written on players who should have picked before so and so. An amazing amount of HOF or future HOF players were passed over for pure **** that never did a thing in the NHL. No matter how it finally ends up Scheifele will likely have a decent career and Couts won't ever be much more than he is now. So end of story.

So you're pretty much stating as fact Couts won't ever be better than he is while also saying Shciefele will LIKELY have a decent career. Interesting, take off the homer glasses lol

 

[BigZ65]

Just finished watching:

-Don't really know what was going through Wheeler's head on that first goal. Hockey 101, you always get the puck to the wall if you're getting a pass in your skates on the breakout. TSN Jets was trying to paint it as a flukey bounce, not really. Lackadaisical play from a team that was dopey for this first 25-30 minutes.

Nothing Wheeler did made sense there. The only excuse could be that he had no idea the puck was coming to him and lost track of the puck entirely. Even then, after it hits his skate and rolls to the front of our net he just keeps standing on the boards. No idea why such disinterested play doesn't lead to benching.

 

[KingBogo]

So you're pretty much stating as fact Couts won't ever be better than he is while also saying Shciefele will LIKELY have a decent career. Interesting, take off the homer glasses lol

Yes I'm taking it as a matter of fact that Scheifele will have a decent career. Couts may develop into more than he is now now, but its not like the Jets lost out on a Joe Sakic or Stevie Y who could turn a franchise around. In terms of the big picture on draft mistakes Couts Vs Scheifele is a total non issue. The debate will go on but the end result for each will be a lot closer than 1000's of other missed picks.

 

[ryerockarola]

Yes I'm taking it as a matter of fact that Scheifele will have a decent career. Couts may develop into more than he is now now, but its not like the Jets lost out on a Joe Sakic or Stevie Y who could turn a franchise around. In terms of the big picture on draft mistakes Couts Vs Scheifele is a total non issue. The debate will go on but the end result for each will be a lot closer than 1000's of other missed picks.

You're consistent on your opinion of Scheifele but now have upgraded Couts to "may develop into more than he is now" from your stated "fact" that he "won't ever be better than he is now".

Just pointing out your future Couts crystal ball which has changed a bit. Otherwise I get the gist of your posts.

 

[buggs]

You better believe it. Some of these guys make more $$$ in 3 games than many of us make in a frickin' year.

Not being ready for the game and (from what I've heard) sucking the big one in the first period is totally on THE PLAYERS.

C'mon guys - one goal a game will not suffice.

Kane makes more PER GAME than I currently do in a year. I don't begrudge him that (and yes, yes I am tremendously jealous) but when guys making that much money can't be bothered to get up for a game in the morning, both literally and metaphorically, I don't have much patience for them. Not specifically singling out Kane either, I just happen to have done the calculation for him relative to my salary. I have no more tolerance for the guys making *only* $800K/year either.

They didn't play in Vancouver last night and fly to Philly for the morning game. They've been in that specific time zone for at least five days now. They've acclimatized and they were no worse off because of the start time than the Flyers. Inexcusable effort.

 

[Duke749]

Just finished watching the replay of the game on GCL. That was embarrassing...

 

[Jet]

Can you imagine how many wins we would have if we had just an AVERAGE PP?

How do you have 11 GF and 5 GA on a GD PP??? It's just sad.

 

[koth]

I don't even care that Kane is injured. He hasn't done anything in a long time. This game was an embarrassment. It's one of the worst games I've ever seen them play.

I am down on the Jets right now. Fire all of them.