Should we go for Trotz
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The answer is yes.
Keefe isn't a good enough coach to get this team over the hump.
Keefe isn't a good enough coach to get this team over the hump.
Woodman19
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If you want to turnover the entire roster save a few players, sure.
We seem to be going with the Caps approach - keep running it back until we win a cup.
Trotz ironically was the coach who won the cup with the Caps. I’d go for it if that’s the case.
Trotz ironically was the coach who won the cup with the Caps. I’d go for it if that’s the case.
Canadian Finn
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only if you get rid of p***yboi at the same time.
otherwise Trotz isn't going to work.
otherwise Trotz isn't going to work.
I think Keefe is a good coach with the players and his tactics are good but Trotz is another level with tactics just not sure how he is with the players.
That said I think Babcock thickened their skins and maturity would factor in if Trotz steps on some toes
Who is p***yboi?
And Imo Trotz was the difference maker. I was surprised when they let him go
Canadian Finn
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the one who makes the decisions.
Can't have Trotz working under him. It would be like Babcock all over again. If you ship out keefe you ship out dubas at the same time. It's the only way.
Otherwise keep'em both and let them go down with the ship.
Dubas and Shanahan want a yes-man so they can continue their completely unnecessary outside-the-box thinking for the sake of outside-the-box thinking. Trotz is very much inside the box and would tell them to take a hike.
Canadian Finn
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Hmmm interesting. I don't see it being a problem as I think Trotz would love this roster, thus there would be no conflict.
Babcock had different ideas on how to build the roster
Gary Nylund
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I was too. I sometimes wonder if Dubas doesn't take the concept of loyalty too far and thus is 100% committed to Keefe. If that's the case then it'll be Keefe again next season but if not, Trotz is worth considering.
HEAVY DUTY
"Nobody ever suspects the butterfly."
YES!
Keefe always finds a way to get out-coached. And keeps making dumbass decisions like playing Holl 5 games in a row when you had a stable D in Liljegren who played well with Giordano in games during the regular season. Why change that when Holl and Gio haven't even played together much previously? I can understand it doing it for 1 game but for 5 straight games? seriously? get bent Keefe.
Keefe always finds a way to get out-coached. And keeps making dumbass decisions like playing Holl 5 games in a row when you had a stable D in Liljegren who played well with Giordano in games during the regular season. Why change that when Holl and Gio haven't even played together much previously? I can understand it doing it for 1 game but for 5 straight games? seriously? get bent Keefe.
leafsfan5
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100000%
People think all Trotz does it the trap-NYI style. He only did that because they have no talent. He didn't have to do that in Washington when he had the likes of Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov etc. I don't doubt him being able to find the optimal style for our roster
Trotz would push these guys and never allow them to become complacent. Much better than Keefe and his "2-2 split is great" attitude
People think all Trotz does it the trap-NYI style. He only did that because they have no talent. He didn't have to do that in Washington when he had the likes of Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov etc. I don't doubt him being able to find the optimal style for our roster
Trotz would push these guys and never allow them to become complacent. Much better than Keefe and his "2-2 split is great" attitude
I don't think so myself. Babcock apparently was going against the grain yet he was here until he obviously lost the room.
Trotz brings his pedigree and I think dubas and Shanahan would respect that
usernamezrhardtodo
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You put the out of the box thinking so perfectly its hilarious and true. They seem to abhor doing something conventional with this team. The funny thing is we are getting better results (in the regular season) by getting bigger players and better physical D-first defencemen which goes against the whole "We need tiny puck movers on the back end" tripe that Dubas pushed for the first few years. Look at Mac Hollowell and Duszak ....they amounted to nothing yet they were the future of NHL d-corps in Duby's eyes.
I really really like Keefe, but Trotz knows how to get it done. Hard choice.
I get the loyalty but this is pro sports, team first. Any possible upgrade, if possible, should be done.
If dubas could land Trotz and doesn't, then he has to go
the squared circle
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How is this a question???? 100% Absolutely YES.
BallardEra
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I just don't see Dubas firing Keefe unless he's given an "either he goes or you go" ultimatum from above.
Keefe is Dubas' guy and he's sticking with him.
Keefe is Dubas' guy and he's sticking with him.
It was Imo mind boggling.
Unless there was some behind the scenes info we aren't privileged to like an injury, it was a crazy decision
Canadian Finn
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Trotz would want control (and for obvious reasons).
I don't foresee Dubas giving that control. However, I suspect at some point Dubas may want to win.....maybe.
Then that's a flaw in dubas if true.
From his interviews, he would appear to be of the other mind where he has said you upgrade at every position
Well the coach has full control of who plays and is on the roster, I don't think that's a thing dubas has or would tyy to wrestle from any coach. Yes the GM assembles the players the coach has to choose from, but I think Trotz would love our lineups
They didn't do that when he went to Washington so why would we do it here?
Canadian Finn
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Yes as the most storied and wealthy franchise, we don’t need rookies as general managers, presidents and coaches. Fire them all
