Should the Habs sign 2024 UFA William Nylander if they can?

[CHfan1]

Would Vancouver be able to match a 12.5 million dollar offersheet for Petersson?

With the way Pettersson is playing I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets an 8 year $12.5 million AAV deal next season, especially with the cap going up. With the cap expected to be $87.5 million Vancouver has about $32.5 million cap space left with 13 players signed, so I don’t see that being an issue for them.

As far as Nylander is concerned it depends on how teams see his game in 3-4 years. Can he maintain his high level of play? I don’t think he’s the player that will make the Habs contenders right away but is a top talent that they are missing in their top 6. If he makes it to free agency I think a lot of teams will be interested and, again with the cap going up, many will be able to make space for his contract.

 

[calder candidate]

I’d rather trade D assets and draft picks for a comparable player earlier in career, who can then be extended. And not a Leaf player wanting max money.

Who is trading away young PPG player, It is a lot better to over paid a UFA that has more guaranteed, because that isn’t the only missing piece, than you can use other asset to acquire the missing pieces, when you look at most contender that the issue is the have very little asset to trade or cap to fill those spot.

 

[Captain97]

Yes, I'd give him 10 - 10.5. He is always toronto's best player in the playoffs. Also with the Cap going up as much as it is the deal will be solid even as he slows down from age.

And would be our highest scoring forward. It also makes splitting up Dach and CC easier.

Newhook - Suzuki - Nylander
CC - Dach - Slaf

Is a very good top 6

Edit: that being said as some have suggested I'd rather go after Petterson.

Also making a play for Draisatl would also be great if possible.

 

[ClasslessGuy]

Tough call, when you get your cap at a rebate and Caufield that accept that he can’t ask over what suzuki gets, it’s tough to turn around the next year and offer 10+ to nylander

 

[Frankenheimer]

Who is trading away young PPG player

Buffalo: Eichel
Chicago: Debrincat
Ottawa: Debrincat
CBJ: Dubois
Winnipeg: Laine
Winnipeg: Dubois (not ppg, but close)
Calgary: Tkachuk
Ottawa: Mark Stone

In short, it happens rather frequently. You need to evaluate the benefits of trading away picks/assets vs getting potentially hamstrung with a massive contract/term. I prefer trading away assets (particularly on D, picks) and getting more peak years/lower cap hit, than signing someone like Nylander for 11-12 mil per year for seven years. If you think you're angry over Gallagher, it wont compare to a floundering Nylander. And frankly, something stinks in Toronto. They all seem money hungry and calculating.

 

[Sorinth]

Tough call, when you get your cap at a rebate and Caufield that accept that he can’t ask over what suzuki gets, it’s tough to turn around the next year and offer 10+ to nylander

You do have to be careful, but I'm pretty sure if you ask Caufield/Suzuki they would rather the team get Nylander and make the playoffs over not keeping the salary structure in place and hoping to be a bubble team. The real worry isn't in how the money deal sits with their teammates, it's whether Nylander fixes enough issues that we actually become a good team.

 

[beowulf]

No, not at 8 digits that's for sure.

 

[calder candidate]

Buffalo: Eichel
Chicago: Debrincat
Ottawa: Debrincat
CBJ: Dubois
Winnipeg: Laine
Winnipeg: Dubois (not ppg, but close)
Calgary: Tkachuk
Ottawa: Mark Stone

In short, it happens rather frequently. You need to evaluate the benefits of trading away picks/assets vs getting potentially hamstrung with a massive contract/term. I prefer trading away assets (particularly on D, picks) and getting more peak years/lower cap hit, than signing someone like Nylander for 11-12 mil per year for seven years. If you think you're angry over Gallagher, it wont compare to a floundering Nylander. And frankly, something stinks in Toronto. They all seem money hungry and calculating.

you have 8 examples but there 2 players that were traded twice guess it didn’t work out for 2 of the teams… two were traded for one a other… Chicago traded away anything with a pulse to tank the rest were trying to get asset for a player that wasn’t returning… Also the all receivers significant package which sometimes also included PPG player and mostly from team that weren’t rebuilding. if trading high end young player is not rare, the thing that is really rare is them hitting UFA… How many impact player hit UFA at 28yo… having to pay 11M$ is nothing since now you have all your assets to make others moves. Because right now we don’t really have many valuable asset to trade right now because team trading these young stud aren’t looking for Matheson and Monahan there looking for Guhle and top 10 picks…

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Buffalo: Eichel
Chicago: Debrincat
Ottawa: Debrincat
CBJ: Dubois
Winnipeg: Laine
Winnipeg: Dubois (not ppg, but close)
Calgary: Tkachuk
Ottawa: Mark Stone

In short, it happens rather frequently. You need to evaluate the benefits of trading away picks/assets vs getting potentially hamstrung with a massive contract/term. I prefer trading away assets (particularly on D, picks) and getting more peak years/lower cap hit, than signing someone like Nylander for 11-12 mil per year for seven years. If you think you're angry over Gallagher, it wont compare to a floundering Nylander. And frankly, something stinks in Toronto. They all seem money hungry and calculating.

And they all wanted out of the team they were on. DeBrincat is a midget and was dumped because Chicago knew they were going to get Bedard.

 

[vokiel]

Yeah, lets get some fat cats!

 

[Frankenheimer]

And they all wanted out of the team they were on. DeBrincat is a midget and was dumped because Chicago knew they were going to get Bedard.

Someone asked how many young ppg players were available to be traded. I provided an answer. Simply accept that fact, and recalibrate your argument accordingly. It doesn’t mean that signing Nylander is still not the best move in spite of this, but such a move must be measured against a realistic alternative, not one that is blindly dismissed simply to reinforce an uncritical position.

 

[Hins77]

Depends. At the end of the season, If the team was close to make the playoff, do it.
If not, don’t.

There is no reason to stay a bubble team and the management need to help
The team if we are close to make it.
Next year, you add Nylander to Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, Dach, it becomes something strong. And armia, dvorak are off the books in 2 years
And this is not like if our prospect pool was full of elite talent at forward position.

 

[Frankenheimer]

you have 8 examples but there 2 players that were traded twice guess it didn’t work out for 2 of the teams… two were traded for one a other… Chicago traded away anything with a pulse to tank the rest were trying to get asset for a player that wasn’t returning… Also the all receivers significant package which sometimes also included PPG player and mostly from team that weren’t rebuilding. if trading high end young player is not rare, the thing that is really rare is them hitting UFA…

What does it matter how they become available or how many times? The fact is players become available for different reasons, sometimes because they want out. That’s a feature of the system, not a bug. Every year a few young stars want out of the prison of places like Winnipeg, Ottawa, Buffalo, and other shitty markets. Like all aspiring young players, people want to be in cool places with opportunities to make their lives. And that trend will continue. So there will always be young stars available for the right price. Whether that opportunity is better than signing older FAs at max contracts is a question worth considering rather than pretending it doesn’t exist. I prefer spending capital for a younger and cheaper version of Nylander than living with a 12m contrat for 7 years on a player who might be too comfortable at that point to really put the effort. I would rather be Florida than Calgary.

 

[The Real Timo]

So do Habs actually have cap space as of now to pay Nylander 10M+? I beleive that's what the price tag is going to be. I still would. Not like Hughes is doing anything useful with the cap space anyway. Can always get another Newhook for a pick whenever. After this year, next when Nylander will be available is when he is 37. So... I would grab him.

Isn't Phil K looking for a home? We should sign him too. Him and Savard will make Habs the heaviest team in the NHL

 

[Mrb1p]

If the price is right, id rather go for Reinhart. Hes a lot more of what the Habs need. Hed bring a lot of versatility, two way ability and a net front presence that the Habs just dont have.

 

[Frankenheimer]

I've seen different numbers used in this thread. What is the most realistic salary for Nylander. There's a significant difference between 10m and 12.5m. What is the most realistic number based on current info? Not the lowball wishcasting numbers usually thrown around on this board.

 

[Rockomax]

Timeframe doesn't work. Also, it would explode the organization's salary scale. That would be John Tavares all over again.

 

[CHfan1]

So do Habs actually have cap space as of now to pay Nylander 10M+? I beleive that's what the price tag is going to be. I still would. Not like Hughes is doing anything useful with the cap space anyway. Can always get another Newhook for a pick whenever. After this year, next when Nylander will be available is when he is 37. So... I would grab him.

Isn't Phil K looking for a home? We should sign him too. Him and Savard will make Habs the heaviest team in the NHL

The Habs have about $12 million in cap space (with a $87.5 million cap) next season with 20 players including Price. Putting Price on off-season LTIR gives them another $10.5 million. So I think they could make it work.

With Nylander playing the way he is (40 goals 87 points last season and he could have more than that this season) and GM’s getting another $4 million in cap space I don’t think it would be surprise me if he got offered a 7 year $12 million AAV contract on July 1. Of note he’d be 34 during his last regular season of that contract.

 

[salbutera]

Buffalo: Eichel
Chicago: Debrincat
Ottawa: Debrincat
CBJ: Dubois
Winnipeg: Laine
Winnipeg: Dubois (not ppg, but close)
Calgary: Tkachuk
Ottawa: Mark Stone

In short, it happens rather frequently. You need to evaluate the benefits of trading away picks/assets vs getting potentially hamstrung with a massive contract/term. I prefer trading away assets (particularly on D, picks) and getting more peak years/lower cap hit, than signing someone like Nylander for 11-12 mil per year for seven years. If you think you're angry over Gallagher, it wont compare to a floundering Nylander. And frankly, something stinks in Toronto. They all seem money hungry and calculating.

Each of the bolded wanted out of a Cdn market to play for a US market

- Tkachuk made it clear he would only sign extension with a handful of Southern US franchises except for his hometown of STL

- Debrincat & Laine wanted out of Cdn markets

- Stone waive NMC to his city of liking … former junior coach now GM w VGK

- PLD…. we know the saga

So once again factoring in desire of players to play in Cdn markets how many of those 8-opportunities even existed for Habs?

 

[Frankenheimer]

Each of the bolded wanted out of a Cdn market to play for a US market

- Tkachuk made it clear he would only sign extension with a handful of Southern US franchises except for his hometown of STL

- Debrincat & Laine wanted out of Cdn markets

- Stone waive NMC to his city of liking … former junior coach now GM w VGK

- PLD…. we know the saga

So once again factoring in desire of players to play in Cdn markets how many of those 8-opportunities even existed for Habs?

They all existed for the right price. None made sense within our current rebuild path, therefore we don't know, and cannot know, what package would have been required, which obviously includes overpaying. What's important is that you and other obtusely skeptical posters recognize that such players do actually exist as a first step. The second step is deciding whether this is a more beneficial option than signing older FAs at max price. It will then be up to more imaginative people (than you and other imagination-limited posters), to find a path.

 

[ReHabs]

That's kind of a loaded question. If he had specified the money and years be able to get more accurate vote

The question isn't loaded, it's simple.

If Nylander is a UFA and he grants you (Habs GM) an audience. What would you offer?

 

[DAChampion]

The question isn't loaded, it's simple.

If Nylander is a UFA and he grants you (Habs GM) an audience. What would you offer?

12 million a year for 7 years, with front -loading and bonuses, and a limited NTC.

 

[calder candidate]

What does it matter how they become available or how many times? The fact is players become available for different reasons, sometimes because they want out. That’s a feature of the system, not a bug. Every year a few young stars want out of the prison of places like Winnipeg, Ottawa, Buffalo, and other shitty markets. Like all aspiring young players, people want to be in cool places with opportunities to make their lives. And that trend will continue. So there will always be young stars available for the right price. Whether that opportunity is better than signing older FAs at max contracts is a question worth considering rather than pretending it doesn’t exist. I prefer spending capital for a younger and cheaper version of Nylander than living with a 12m contrat for 7 years on a player who might be too comfortable at that point to really put the effort. I would rather be Florida than Calgary.

Nylander is 27yo you are getting prime year you aren’t signing declining player. Signing also insure he is willing to play here vs trade, also there less guess work you get a proven impact player.
Trading for young star looking to get out also means resigning him since that when he is available when the team knows won’t be a able to resign, there not much saving to be maid all these guys make 8M$+…
Not against trading for a young star we need to acquire player how ever it is possible but trading for a proven young cost controlled player will cost a lot of asset which we don’t have much of…

 

[OnTheRun]

"if they can" imply that Helmet want to play for Habs and if that was to be true, then they don't really have a choice but to sign him

Going after UFAs is never ideal but it's still a valid strategy to build a good team. You need to take your opportunities as they come (and yes, there is risk involved in signing a ±27 years old to a long term deal.)

As a remainder, here is the list of past PPG++ UFAs that were interested to sign with the Habs:

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And the list of ±100pts UFAs that were interested to sign with the Habs:

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[Le Barron de HF]

I'd offer him 7 years at 8.75M.