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Rebuild is done. The amount of young talent mixed with old is right meow
Only way we go into a full on rebuild is if Provy, Patrick, Konecny and the rest of the dcore fall flat on their face
Flyers just pulled off a complete rebuild in 3 years where most teams take 7 or more
Freakin genuis
Yeah, despite my above comment, I would entertain the possibility of a Simmonds trade, but it would need to be a pretty big haul featuring a young and very promising NHL player who can step into the lineup right away at a position of need. The type of player I'd demand in return isn't the type that gets shopped often, though. Otherwise, I'm not trading him for a top prospect and a 1st.
We can make a Simmonds contract fit in our cap structure. We don't need to trade him just for the sake of maximizing his value.
No. I mean they are doing it while staying competitive.
The D core is halfway on it's way and Konecny started the wave for Lindblom, Patrick and others to crush in to the lineup for forwards next year. The team is building and is actually getting stronger right away. That's because of good drafting and getting rid of bad assets.
Good organizations rebuild and stay competitive during the building. Flyers are doing exactly that. A team like Rangers maybe not so much, they are going to hit a wall at some point because they won't have players like Konecny or even Rubtsov in their system.
I would not be surprised if we see Voracek moved at the deadline.
We have been rebuilding. Hextall just has not stripped the team down to nothing to do it.
He wants to stay competitive AND rebuild at the same time. Trading Schenn is a rebuild move. But he also knows that moving Konecny to RW and adding Lindblom can offset the loss of Schenn.
With Giroux, Voracek and Couts all signed for 5 years or more, they will be the vets that play the "Hossa" like role on the future Flyers....good players that are leaned on, but don't carry the load by themselves.
This team has been built from the backend out. The goalie and D pipelines are in place, and this draft Hextall added 3 more 1st round talents to the forward group.
Simmonds has been talked about enough, we all love him. We also are realists and see that him becoming a UFA in 2 years sucks as it's too short for us to win now with him, and re-signing him adds lots of risk that a contending team doesn't need to take. Oshies deal confirms what Simmonds deal will likely look like. They likely hold on to him for another year, but if the prospects at forward continue to have good years, I expect him to be moved.
It would be extraordinarily unusual for a contract of that length to move at the deadline.
Tripod, I completely agree.... I love Wayne Simmonds but he is the guy that has the best shot at being moved. His play and contract could end up getting you a haul at the trade deadline. If Schenn gets you two first rounders; Simmonds could get you a top prospect and a pick. Signing a 30 year old Wayne Simmonds in 2 years to a Oshie-like contract scares me.
i would rather have simmonds for his age 31-35 years making 6.5 million than voraceks age 31-35 years making 8 million. voracek wont get as much of a haul due to his contract but from a competitive perspective, I think Simmonds will provide much more for the team on those years even if his scoring goes down. we have so many young assets and draft picks already that I don't think losing the little bit extra we would get from trading Simmonds is worth what we stand to lose by getting rid of him. one of the 2 likely have to go before Simmonds contract is up though I just hope it's jake as I think Simmonds leadership would be invaluable to keep around for the young guys and that he provides much more than just producing points. when jake isn't producing he is very frustrating to watch as he doesn't really provide much else.
It's reasonable to expect one of Frost and Rubtsov to stick in the middle.
Before you get to Bardreau, Leier, or Goulbourne, I would include NAK, Allison, Laczynski, and Bunnaman in whatever order you prefer. Then there's Laberge, which is a bit of a difficult decision.
Yep, trade everyone for picks.
Then trade all of our prospects for picks.
And then when we use the picks at the draft, trade those guys for even more picks.
Then trade the picks for picks.
Yeah, despite my above comment, I would entertain the possibility of a Simmonds trade, but it would need to be a pretty big haul featuring a young and very promising NHL player who can step into the lineup right away at a position of need. The type of player I'd demand in return isn't the type that gets shopped often, though. Otherwise, I'm not trading him for a top prospect and a 1st.
We can make a Simmonds contract fit in our cap structure. We don't need to trade him just for the sake of maximizing his value.
when we talk rebuild we really mean 3 players. giroux Voracek and Simmonds.
So lets talk about the future lets set a line up without those 3 guys
LInblom Patrick neck
Ratcliffe (blank) (blank)
Rubstov Coots Frost
Goulbourne? Bardreau Leier
Provy sanheim
ghost myers
hagg morin
Stolarz
Felix
hart
we need to fill in that future top 6 , and i believe a trade of giorux simmer and voracek will be able to fill those holes. It makes logical sense to trade those 3.
i do believe frost and rubstov will play center. but i don't believe any are top 6 centers and coots won't be moved off that 3rd center spot.