Should IIHF ban Canada due to hockey Canada sex scandal

[PecnoTrunk]

If Canada invaded Mexico and killed and raped thousands then yes , but really what line do we stop this at ? What line do you draw to banish team ??? Enough with these nonsense polls

The players will pay for this incident if found guilty. No need to ban.

 

[ItWasJustified]

They don't "deserve to get punished anymore than the people of Ukraine deserved to be murdered and chased from their homeland.

A complete platitude.

You understand why the world cannot tolerate including Russia in ice hockey tournaments, yes? Think about the kind of message that sends to both Putin and the people of Ukraine.

No, I don't understand it because it has nothing to do with geo-political decisions. Putin and the people of Ukraine have more important matters to tend to than to give a sh*t about a ''message''. Hockey and the war in Ukraine are two completely separate things and should be treated as such.

Sure, but neither Hockey Canada nor the Canadian government has outright invaded a neighboring country and killed tens of thousands of their people in 2022

Ok...So what? Russian and Belarussian hockey players haven't invaded a neighboring country either. But they should be punished?

 

[bossram]

The line of reasoning is what is so painfully stupid. The IIHF banned Russia and Belarus due to the invasion of Ukraine, so Canada should be banned due to a matter on a much smaller scale not pertaining to war or invasion? It's nonsense. If someone thinks that Canada should be banned or punished, that's one thing and you can argue it. I'd certainly agree that the Hockey Canada situation is at least hockey related. But any argument that tries to use the banning of Russia and Belarus as a justification for banning Canada is dead on arrival.

No. I think Canada should be punished for directly overseeing and administering the pay-offs and cover-ups of sexual assault.

If a hockey organization can be punished for being indirectly related to a transgression, it should also be liable to be punished for being directly related to a transgression.

The only reason to not punish Canada is if the IIHF feels their transgression is simply too insignificant. It's a very reasonable question to ask why Canada is not facing sanctions for this.

 

[Hanji]

I gave you one, you just have no logic. Not my problem you can't even lmfao

You have yet to illustrate how the Ukrainian invasion has anything directly to do with the Russia/Belarus Federations. Got anything?

If you approve of using the IIHF as a political tool just say so. We can agree to disagree.

But spewing "Whataboutism! OMG poor murdered Ukrainians! I'm right, you're wrong" reminds me of how those kids who eat too many crayons argue. But hey, go nuts I suppose.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

No, but the 2018 gold winning Team Canada should be stripped of their medals, since the alleged gang rape took place during their event.

Ukraine has committed unspeakable attrocities to Russian-speaking civilians in the East the past decade.

Lol.

Ukraine is most certainly not a sovereign nation

Lmao

 

[jj cale]

No, but the 2018 gold winning Team Canada should be stripped of their medals, since the alleged gang rape took place during their event.

Tough to strip a team of anything if it's alleged and not proven.



You will need to establish guilt for that. Alleged might be good enough for a Finnish fan to strip a Team Canada but not for the powers that be.

 

[Czechboy]

They did invade a country and weren't banned for it. Arguably two countries actually.

Which 2? When did Canada do this?

 

[Golden_Jet]

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Should IIHF ban Canada from all international hockey for now due to hockey Canada sex scandal.
Russia and Belarus got banned due to war in Ukraine so why IIHF should allow Canada's participation
to all international hockey whic is held under IIHF due to serious sex scandal in hockey Canada.

Don't get me wrong i like Canada and i respect Canadian hockey players.
But if Russia and Belarus were banned due to war in Ukraine then why Canada should be exception to the rule.
War is serious crime against all human rights and it's also serious violation of all international justice.
But sex scandal with real sexual crimes and violence isn't minor issue either.

IIHF president Luc Tardif has already said IIHF will investigate all sexual assaults and abuses in Hockey Canada.
So should Canada get banned from international hockey for now lets say next 2-3 years.

The game must be fair and the rules and treatment must be the same for everyone regardless of the circumstances
That's why my answer is YES.

Bad take
You’ll have to provide me the link to sexual violence.
I’ve not heard on thing on violence, unless I missed it.

 

[jj cale]

Which 2? When did Canada do this?

I assume he is talking about the first Iraq war and Afghanistan.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Which 2? When did Canada do this?

Did you miss the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

 

[Boonk]

A complete platitude.

No, I don't understand it because it has nothing to do with geo-political decisions. Putin and the people of Ukraine have more important matters to tend to than to give a sh*t about a ''message''. Hockey and the war in Ukraine are two completely separate things and should be treated as such.


Ok...So what? Russian and Belarussian hockey players haven't invaded a neighboring country either. But they should be punished?

Errrrrrrr good try. Their governments totally supported it. It wasn't a good attempt on your part.

 

[Boonk]

Did you miss the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

Russia wasn't banned when they waged their wars and conflicts in Chechnya, Moldova, Georgia, Syria and all over Africa btw. It's easy to forget when tossing the whataboutism all around

You have yet to illustrate how the Ukrainian invasion has anything directly to do with the Russia/Belarus Federations. Got anything?

If you approve of using the IIHF as a political tool just say so. We can agree to disagree.

But spewing "Whataboutism! OMG poor murdered Ukrainians! I'm right, you're wrong" reminds me of how those kids who eat too many crayons argue. But hey, go nuts I suppose.

I already told you and somebody else even told you as well lmfao, if you can't even bothered to read what I typed out to you already then I am still correct about you having no logic AND that you are not right, and as much as you cry and whine about it or try to sound right, you aren't.

You STILL have made absolutely no valid point enjoy your L.

 

[bearcountry17]

Did you miss the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

Do you really think Zelenskyy and his followers are on the same level as evil as Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden and theirs?

 

[MeHateHe]

Ignoring the ludicrous, untrue statements that one of the posters has been making - how the mods aren't removing them is a mystery, but whatever - the premise of the OP is at best ahistorical. Countries have not been removed from international participation to punish federations, to my recollection, ever. Countries that get removed from international participation to punish the country. South Africa remains the prime example; other national sports organizations didn't want to be associated with South Africa because of the repugnant apartheid policies. In the same vein, countries don't want to be associated Russia or Belarus because of the country's illegal invasion of another country.

Want to argue that other countries should have similar bans because of their participation in repugnant action taken by the country? Fill your boots; the argument being posited here is that because Russia has been banned because of their invasion of another country, Canada should be banned because the national federation has done an atrocious job (historically and currently) in responding to serious allegations of sexual assault. That's terrible analogy.

 

[wetcoast]

That’s not what a sovereign country is.


I’ve heard this one before. Doesn’t bother me what names you want to call me. I made my position clear.

You have taken sides. I haven’t.

Ukraine is indeed a sovereign nation as a member nation of the UN, that's not even debatable it's a fact.

The answer to the OP should and will be a big fat NO.

If this isn't what a sovereign country is then what is?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

If this isn't what a sovereign country is then what is?

10 bucks says he responds back with "Russia"

 

[Boonk]

That’s not what a sovereign country is.


I’ve heard this one before. Doesn’t bother me what names you want to call me. I made my position clear.

You have taken sides. I haven’t.

Oh really? This "not sovereign country" (by your totally false opinion btw, and that's not disputable) doesn't seem to be taking this invasion too well. In fact, it's almost like their population is mobilizing to defend it, because it IS a sovereign nation! Who would've thought huh?

L.

 

[JackSlater]

No. I think Canada should be punished for directly overseeing and administering the pay-offs and cover-ups of sexual assault.

If a hockey organization can be punished for being indirectly related to a transgression, it should also be liable to be punished for being directly related to a transgression.

The only reason to not punish Canada is if the IIHF feels their transgression is simply too insignificant. It's a very reasonable question to ask why Canada is not facing sanctions for this.

I'm not sure if you even read what you are replying to given how poor this post works as a reply, but the logic you are trying to push fails. It's simply stupid to suggest that if a country can be banned for actions that leave tens of thousands and potentially far more dead, then another country can be banned for... an accusation of sexual assault that was settled after a criminal investigation was dropped.

I'll ask you again for details on the cover up you keep mentioning.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

No one is equating the severity of what's happened in Canada vs. a blatant war of aggression.

What people are discussing is culpability. Are Hockey Russia and Hockey Belarus directly responsible for Putin's decision to invade Ukraine? I think most people would say no. Are they indirectly responsible? Possibly. Maybe. But it seems most of the oligarch class in Russia did not want this war.

And yet, the hockey organizations of Russia and Belarus are still punished for the actions of a very small group of government officials. In contrast, Hockey Canada is the organization directly responsible for the cover-ups and pay-offs of sexual assault allegations - going so far as to use registration fees to create a hush/slush fund for these purposes. Hockey Canada is the clear perpetrator in these cases, yet has faced no punishment from the IIHF.

If IIHF had balls and mojo to give international ban for Russia and Belarus 150% political reason
then they should have balls and mojo give to Hockey Canada some-kind sanctions
of 150% hockey related reason.

I don't know what type of leader Luc Tardif is but i truly hope he isn't similar clown what Fasel was.
It makes me puke Hockey Canada has wasted tax-payers moneys for hus fund for Sex assault victims
Why Hockey Canada has even had that type fund and what they are winning with it.

You don't settle serious sex abuses with a money and if you do it is basically a same
if firefighters would invite arsonist on their christmas parties.

Yes i used wrong words my first post that was my bad.
I used Ukraine's war only an example i didn't compared it on this sex scandal case in Hockey Canada.
But seriously said the rules and treatment should be the same to everyone no matter what.

Fact is that Hockey Canada is already losing sponsors and their moneys.
And you don't need to be fortune teller to realize that what has happened
in U20 Team Canada U20 WJC's gold medal celebrations is throwing dark clouds under Canadian hockey.

Think about those victims if they see their rapists representing Canada 2024 hockey world-cup
or 2026 NHL winter Olympic games yeah not an easy situation to watch games and cheer for your country.

If that disgusting and sickening shit would've happened in Finnish hockey association
of course i would've wanted that all who are guilty of sexual crimes should've been arrested
and charged of their crimes but also someones would've need to lose their jobs too.

Hopefully Hockey Canada makes total mass-cleaning in their organisation and front-office.
And all those hockey players, coaches, team managers etc who are guilty for all these
illegal actions will be arrested and charged.

But also NHL needs to do their job if someones of those bastards are under NHL contracts.
This sex scandal has already done bad damage for Canadian hockey.
So i truly hope that Hockey Canada and CHL will work together in this case.

I don't know what future has in store to Canadian hockey next 2-4 years period
but i wish that all players who are involved in this mess will step up
and carry their responsibility of their illegal actions which truly are nasty as hell.

And if that means total end their hockey careers for rest of their lives then so be it.
But also those staff members who have knew of this fiasco must face the consequnces

Heads needs to start roll in hockey Canada.
If Hockey Canada has any hockey pride left someones in upper management needs to lose their jobs
and all hockey related roles for a lifetime in the game of hockey.

 

[BMacLeafs]

The IIHF has a habit of overlooking the misdeeds of its favourite sons. USA should have been banned from 2017-21 but weren't.

 

[Zine]

The IIHF has a habit of overlooking the misdeeds of its favourite sons. USA should have been banned from 2017-21 but weren't.

Countries always look out for their own interests, and the IIHF is only the sum of its parts. Despite the rhetoric, morality plays little in decision making. It's why punishment is not applied evenly across the board.

The invasion of Ukraine is a security risk for most of Europe, so the Russian Federation is being banned. The United States slaughtering brown people in the Mid-East? Nobody cares. Disposable humans. Business as usual.
Game on!

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The IIHF has a habit of overlooking the misdeeds of its favourite sons. USA should have been banned from 2017-21 but weren't.

Why?

 

[PaulD]

When the hell are Smith , Renney and the other cronies going to resign???
It's utterly ridiculous they plan on keeping their positions.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

The IIHF has a habit of overlooking the misdeeds of its favourite sons. USA should have been banned from 2017-21 but weren't.

True.
IIHF didn't give even an appology for Team Finland of 2014 IIHF worlds gold medal game reffing farce.
In that tournament Russia won their gold medal with highly questionable phantom calls
which violated IIHF's rulebook seriously.

Russia's head coach Oleg Znaroks was in the arena
contrary to the ban imposed on her due to the cut throat gesture in the semi-final
which was aimed at the opponent's head coach.

Znaroks also participated medal ceremonies after the gold medal game 2014 IIHF worlds.
And if you wanna evidence of those phantom calls which clearly helped and favorited Team Russia
you can watch a video from youtube ( it's still there ).

But here's the link if you don't find it by yourself.


Edit
Those referees who favorited Russia were later banned of all IIHF tournaments
after that when Kalervo Kummola raised the issue in the IIHF's board of directors

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

When the hell are Smith , Renney and the other cronies going to resign???
It's utterly ridiculous they plan on keeping their positions.

If Renney and Smith won't resing then they have to get fired.
That sickening shit shouldn't never happen but it happend.

So all who have been involved that shit should face the consequenses of their illegal actions.
And carry their responsibility but if they don't have kudos or mojo to do that what you can do?